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Post by arisha on Jan 28, 2013 1:12:45 GMT -5
When women are treated like babies, they are not treated like ladies. It's certainly not only about women, I just like the rhyme.
Who has taught me that? MrG. - who knows what people think, - believe me or not, - knows what they hear or mishear, and what is beyond the words that are said, and posted, - and thought (if somebody thinks with words, because the thinking is usually not with words, but with the unverbalized thoughts).
Nobody needs such a guidance when one is explained by the other that what they believe they think they see is not true.
When the guidance is good it is recognized immediately and without questions.
Everybody can make their own conclusions and decisions without E's guidance , - this is for sure.
Nobody needs their beliefs to be destroyed, - I asked Enigma if he hopes he can help anybody with that, or just needs to be energized, - and he keeps it secret.
But people do need good words, no stress, good and fair treatment, and love. I doubt that E's version about what love is can be accepted by anybody who is in a sane mind. "Be love" . No, better don't do any harm, even if one isn't a pure love yet. Yes, make efforts to get rid of the egoism which doesn't allow to avoid being harmful to others. But nobody is supposed to wait when it happens when they at last have their realization (which never happens), better - again - make efforts to overcome egoism right now. In this case there will be much more love towards the other if one recognizes their own egoism and tries to cope with it.
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Post by silver on Jan 28, 2013 1:13:04 GMT -5
1) Even the best of people get paranoid sometimes. I already told you - if you didn't happen to notice - I am making every attempt to change the old dynamic here. 2) That could be true - refer to #1.....I get the feeling that you think certain people like E can do no wrong. I think that perception is faulty - if that's the case. Why can't he - and you see that I have no desire for war or peace? Huh? I don't think E can do no wrong. Why do you think that I think that? With respect to war and peace, do you want me to comment after every post you make which sounds like you're trying to make war or peace? I said I 'get the feeling that you think' - See? You're willing to take a far softer stance that I have and turn it right around and darned near accuse me of declaring that I believe you definitely think that! Why? You may choose to address my questions OR choose to take them as rhetoricals. It doesn't bother me if anyone never comes back to any post and comments. We'd never get anything done at home. We'd all have to quit work, too. rofl You take things totally serious when they aren't - or they don't have to be - it's - your - choice.  |
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Post by silver on Jan 28, 2013 1:16:02 GMT -5
I think you're stuck, B. You don't know because you are not involved in this 'process' - this dynamic. Once you start saying things like that, Top, it takes on a life of its very own. I don't think it's appropriate or helpful to say stuff like that. What are the negative consequences of what I have said? What was inappropriate and unhelpful about it? Just because you have no mind, doesn't mean that a college-educated person no less, should know for a certainty that the average person is highly suggestible, and saying things are either / or like we're all one thing: Good or Evil - is very negative, to my way of thinking. I'm just sharing one person's opinion - mine. |
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Post by silver on Jan 28, 2013 1:48:54 GMT -5
When women are treated like babies, they are not treated like ladies. It's certainly not only about women, I just like the rhyme. Who has taught me that? MrG. - who knows what people think, - believe me or not, - knows what they hear or mishear, and what is beyond the words that are said, and posted, - and thought (if somebody thinks with words, because the thinking is usually not with words, but with the unverbalized thoughts). Nobody needs such a guidance when one is explained by the other that what they believe they think they see is not true. When the guidance is good it is recognized immediately and without questions. Everybody can make their own conclusions and decisions without E's guidance , - this is for sure. Nobody needs their beliefs to be destroyed, - I asked Enigma if he hopes he can help anybody with that, or just needs to be energized, - and he keeps it secret. But people do need good words, no stress, good and fair treatment, and love. I doubt that E's version about what love is can be accepted by anybody who is in a sane mind. "Be love" . No, better don't do any harm, even if one isn't a pure love yet. Yes, make efforts to get rid of the egoism which doesn't allow to avoid being harmful to others. But nobody is supposed to wait when it happens when they at last have their realization (which never happens), better - again - make efforts to overcome egoism right now. In this case there will be much more love towards the other if one recognizes their own egoism and tries to cope with it.  |
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Post by topology on Jan 28, 2013 2:08:29 GMT -5
I don't think E can do no wrong. Why do you think that I think that? With respect to war and peace, do you want me to comment after every post you make which sounds like you're trying to make war or peace? I said I 'get the feeling that you think' - See? You're willing to take a far softer stance that I have and turn it right around and darned near accuse me of declaring that I believe you definitely think that! Why? You may choose to address my questions OR choose to take them as rhetoricals. It doesn't bother me if anyone never comes back to any post and comments. We'd never get anything done at home. We'd all have to quit work, too. rofl You take things totally serious when they aren't - or they don't have to be - it's - your - choice. I changed one word. "I feel you think" to "I think you think". I will admit culpability to that change. I tend to use the terms interchangeably. Nevertheless, why do you feel that I think E can do no wrong? It's simply a question about why that is the case. |
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Post by topology on Jan 28, 2013 2:10:29 GMT -5
What are the negative consequences of what I have said? What was inappropriate and unhelpful about it? Just because you have no mind, doesn't mean that a college-educated person no less, should know for a certainty that the average person is highly suggestible, and saying things are either / or like we're all one thing: Good or Evil - is very negative, to my way of thinking. I'm just sharing one person's opinion - mine. What suggestion would they be walking away with? |
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Post by silver on Jan 28, 2013 2:20:48 GMT -5
I said I 'get the feeling that you think' - See? You're willing to take a far softer stance that I have and turn it right around and darned near accuse me of declaring that I believe you definitely think that! Why? You may choose to address my questions OR choose to take them as rhetoricals. It doesn't bother me if anyone never comes back to any post and comments. We'd never get anything done at home. We'd all have to quit work, too. rofl You take things totally serious when they aren't - or they don't have to be - it's - your - choice. I changed one word. "I feel you think" to "I think you think". I will admit culpability to that change. I tend to use the terms interchangeably. Nevertheless, why do you feel that I think E can do no wrong? It's simply a question about why that is the case. Don't try to take the wind out of my sails by using a little bitty distraction like the changing one word bit. It's a subtle distraction from the real issues, big or small, I do believe. I'm saying for the third time that I suggested softly that the possibility existed that you might think that way. It's my way of saying 'consider it.' |
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Post by silver on Jan 28, 2013 2:24:02 GMT -5
Just because you have no mind, doesn't mean that a college-educated person no less, should know for a certainty that the average person is highly suggestible, and saying things are either / or like we're all one thing: Good or Evil - is very negative, to my way of thinking. I'm just sharing one person's opinion - mine. What suggestion would they be walking away with? Aw, come on Top. See, this is where some peeps 'win' a debate by making the opposition work like a dog to explain something that the majority of people understand quite well. The suggestion of extreme positions on everything, black/white, good/evil, that it applies to people and other things. It's why the churches struggle more and more because of the extreme positions they've taken and chose to misrepresent what is in the Good Book all these many years. |
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Post by topology on Jan 28, 2013 2:33:35 GMT -5
What suggestion would they be walking away with? Aw, come on Top. See, this is where some peeps 'win' a debate by making the opposition work like a dog to explain something that the majority of people understand quite well. The suggestion of extreme positions on everything, black/white, good/evil, that it applies to people and other things. It's why the churches struggle more and more because of the extreme positions they've taken and chose to misrepresent what is in the Good Book all these many years. My experience is that given 100 people, they'll have 100 different interpretations of what someone said. I haven't found what "a majority of people understand quite well", unless you're referring to eating, defecating and fornicating.  Do you find that people who focus on saintliness also have a strong notion of sinner in their mind as well? |
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Post by topology on Jan 28, 2013 2:37:41 GMT -5
I changed one word. "I feel you think" to "I think you think". I will admit culpability to that change. I tend to use the terms interchangeably. Nevertheless, why do you feel that I think E can do no wrong? It's simply a question about why that is the case. Don't try to take the wind out of my sails by using a little bitty distraction like the changing one word bit. It's a subtle distraction from the real issues, big or small, I do believe. I'm saying for the third time that I suggested softly that the possibility existed that you might think that way. It's my way of saying 'consider it.' I have considered it. There have been times where I've confronted Enigma. I agree with the criticism on his employ of mocking and talking about others as if they are not there, between Reefs and Himself. You wouldn't be asking me to consider it, unless you thought it was likely the case. I'm asking you why you think its the case. Why does that thought or suspicion arise for you? |
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Post by silver on Jan 28, 2013 2:37:55 GMT -5
Aw, come on Top. See, this is where some peeps 'win' a debate by making the opposition work like a dog to explain something that the majority of people understand quite well. The suggestion of extreme positions on everything, black/white, good/evil, that it applies to people and other things. It's why the churches struggle more and more because of the extreme positions they've taken and chose to misrepresent what is in the Good Book all these many years. My experience is that given 100 people, they'll have 100 different interpretations of what someone said. I haven't found what "a majority of people understand quite well", unless you're referring to eating, defecating and fornicating. Do you find that people who focus on saintliness also have a strong notion of sinner in their mind as well? You're something else, you know that don'tcha?!  That 100 people dealy only applies to situations like the elephant koan thingy with the blind men. I don't want to lawyer it out with you, rofl. What? Is E paying you to be his goon?  ;D  |
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Post by topology on Jan 28, 2013 2:47:06 GMT -5
My experience is that given 100 people, they'll have 100 different interpretations of what someone said. I haven't found what "a majority of people understand quite well", unless you're referring to eating, defecating and fornicating. Do you find that people who focus on saintliness also have a strong notion of sinner in their mind as well? You're something else, you know that don'tcha?! That 100 people dealy only applies to situations like the elephant koan thingy with the blind men. I don't want to lawyer it out with you, rofl. What? Is E paying you to be his goon? ;D No. I felt like there was an opportunity to bring up the contrast between mind and no-mind. |
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Post by james on Jan 28, 2013 3:00:26 GMT -5
Sometimes even one person (specifically, me) can have a great number of different interpretations going on (either held in an evolutionary sequence, or in parallel as possibilities).  |
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Post by silver on Jan 28, 2013 3:01:30 GMT -5
You're something else, you know that don'tcha?! That 100 people dealy only applies to situations like the elephant koan thingy with the blind men. I don't want to lawyer it out with you, rofl. What? Is E paying you to be his goon? ;D No. I felt like there was an opportunity to bring up the contrast between mind and no-mind. So.......It's another way of saying you're making an attempt to play up the 'good' stuff about believing one has no mind - trying to contrast - frame, if you will - the great thing about 'having no mind' vs. believing you have a mind. |
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Post by silver on Jan 28, 2013 3:02:50 GMT -5
Sometimes even one person (specifically, me) can have a great number of different interpretations going on (either held in an evolutionary sequence, or in parallel as possibilities). ;D |
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