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Post by enigma on Jan 27, 2013 1:05:13 GMT -5
Some twist the words you use and others seem to try to impress you. There is something about you that brings on these 'egoic' reactions to you. I'm not sure why that is but it is the energy of what is going on whether people want to admit that or not. It's not your fault but you have 'set' yourself up to be either respected or hated. Starting forums, being greatly involved in posting in forums, writing papers, giving instruction, creating your own web site related to this stuff..... Do you know what i am saying? I do but it's hard to relay it. Basically I see that you are reaping the results of your actions by setting yourself up as you have.
Some want to knock you down and others want to kiss your ring. Both are the actions of children.Iow, James, you're saying that he's helping to entice these reactions in the vulnerable.......? That would confirm your personal story, but no, that's not what he said. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 27, 2013 1:08:51 GMT -5
So much gossip and so little time to respond. Here's a pointer from Ramakrishna. I think it sums it up quite well. So I should be doing something like this, right?? Attachments:
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Post by silver on Jan 27, 2013 1:13:16 GMT -5
Iow, James, you're saying that he's helping to entice these reactions in the vulnerable.......? That would confirm your personal story, but no, that's not what he said. I have no idea what you mean by the first half of your statement. I was trying to clear up what he meant, exactly. So, bad guess. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 27, 2013 1:19:56 GMT -5
That would confirm your personal story, but no, that's not what he said. I have no idea what you mean by the first half of your statement. I was trying to clear up what he meant, exactly. So, bad guess. I mean that you begin from your belief that I brutally attack the vulnerable, and you look for confirmation of that in James' post, going so far as to suspect he may have actually said the words happening in your head, though he clearly did not. It happened because you put the carrot before the donkey. |
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Post by silver on Jan 27, 2013 1:29:02 GMT -5
I have no idea what you mean by the first half of your statement. I was trying to clear up what he meant, exactly. So, bad guess. I mean that you begin from your belief that I brutally attack the vulnerable, and you look for confirmation of that in James' post, going so far as to suspect he may have actually said the words happening in your head, though he clearly did not. It happened because you put the carrot before the donkey. I know what I read, but I needed some clarification from the author. Your amazingly defensive about it - and offensive towards me, making wild accusations about something I never said! go back and read it, it's only a page away. I never said what you accused me of saying. |
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Post by tzujanli on Jan 27, 2013 1:30:19 GMT -5
Greetings.. I dare say you are the one imagining that sword, E. Long ago, your compadre, Top convinced me more or less, that black print on a white page were harmless. I do get what he's talking about - if you're a man of peace (I know, you never claimed that or something like that), why are having all these imaginings? Hi E: You can't quite grasp your own dilemma.. you state that everything is imagined, but then you can't even get along with your own imagination, and you want to blame others for it.. no takers at the 'Realizing Happiness' clubhouse, eh.. figured you'd spread a little of that 'realized happiness' over here, huh.. you're quite the ambassador for 'realized happiness', between you and reefs, i can't recall two less happy forum dwellers.. well, unless you've provoked others into sharing your misery, then your positively giddy.. No, seriously, how's that happiness forum working out? keepin' you busy? lots o good ol rezzin going on over there? just stopping in for 20 or 30 posts a day over here to say hi to your old buddies?... yeah, that's what i thought, just keeping your finely honed judgmental edge all polished and shiny.. well heck, stop on by next time you run out of cool rezzin' things to do over at the Hotel Happiness.. i hear you're building better mousetraps over there.. no? 'imagine' that, rumors.. Be well.. |
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Post by Reefs on Jan 27, 2013 1:31:20 GMT -5
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Post by silver on Jan 27, 2013 1:36:36 GMT -5
Greetings.. What imaginings? You mean the imagining that virtually every post Tzu makes is an unprovoked attack, or that Arisha is at least as harsh as anyone on this forum? Hi E: You can't quite grasp your own dilemma.. you state that everything is imagined, but then you can't even get along with your own imagination, and you want to blame others for it.. no takers at the 'Realizing Happiness' clubhouse, eh.. figured you'd spread a little of that 'realized happiness' over here, huh.. you're quite the ambassador for 'realized happiness', between you and reefs, i can't recall two less happy forum dwellers.. well, unless you've provoked others into sharing your misery, then your positively giddy.. No, seriously, how's that happiness forum working out? keepin' you busy? lots o good ol rezzin going on over there? just stopping in for 20 or 30 posts a day over here to say hi to your old buddies?... yeah, that's what i thought, just keeping your finely honed judgmental edge all polished and shiny.. well heck, stop on by next time you run out of cool rezzin' things to do over at the Hotel Happiness.. i hear you're building better mousetraps over there.. no? 'imagine' that, rumors.. Be well.. That is rich. |
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Post by Reefs on Jan 27, 2013 1:47:56 GMT -5
Greetings.. Hi E: You can't quite grasp your own dilemma.. you state that everything is imagined, but then you can't even get along with your own imagination, and you want to blame others for it.. no takers at the 'Realizing Happiness' clubhouse, eh.. figured you'd spread a little of that 'realized happiness' over here, huh.. you're quite the ambassador for 'realized happiness', between you and reefs, i can't recall two less happy forum dwellers.. well, unless you've provoked others into sharing your misery, then your positively giddy.. No, seriously, how's that happiness forum working out? keepin' you busy? lots o good ol rezzin going on over there? just stopping in for 20 or 30 posts a day over here to say hi to your old buddies?... yeah, that's what i thought, just keeping your finely honed judgmental edge all polished and shiny.. well heck, stop on by next time you run out of cool rezzin' things to do over at the Hotel Happiness.. i hear you're building better mousetraps over there.. no? 'imagine' that, rumors.. Be well.. That is rich.  |
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Post by arisha on Jan 27, 2013 2:10:13 GMT -5
Giraffe
Today, I see, your glance is especially sad
And your arms, embracing your knees, especially thin.
Listen: far, far away on the Lake of Chad
Wanders a gentle giraffe.
He is endowed with slender grace and bliss,
And his hide adorned with a magical design
Which the moonlight alone, shattering and rocking
On the wide wet of the lake, dares to rival.
From afar he resembles the colored sails of a ship,
And his gait is smooth as the joyful flight of a bird.
I know that the earth will witness many wonders,
When, at sunset, he hides in a marble grotto.
I could tell merry tales of mysterious lands
Of a black maiden, a young chief's passion,
But you have too long inhaled the heavy mist,
You will believe in nothing but the rain.
And how can I tell you about a tropical garden,
Slender palms, the scent of inconceivable herbs...
Are you crying? Listen...Far off on the Lake of Chad
Wanders a gentle giraffe.
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Post by arisha on Jan 27, 2013 2:25:41 GMT -5
Here are two more translations. Which one do you like better?
Today, I see, your gaze is particularly forlorn,
And your hands particularly thin, embracing your knees.
Listen: far away, far away, on Lake Chad,
A refined giraffe is roaming.
His proportions are harmonious and his legs are long,
And a bewitching pattern adorns his skin;
Nothing dares compare with it, save the moon,
Fragmented and flowing on the liquid of broad lakes.
He juts out like the many-colored sails of ships,
And his gait is floating, like joyous birdflight.
I know this earth has seen many wonders
When at sunset he hides in a marble grotto.
I know the happy stories of secret lands,
About the dark maiden, about the passion of the young chief,
But you have breathed in the heavy mists for too long -
You will believe in nothing, except rain.
And how I would tell you about tropical orchards,
About elegant palms, about the scent of extraordinary grasses…
You're crying? Listen… far away, on Lake Chad,
A refined giraffe is roaming.
The Giraffe
Today I can see your expression is especially sad,
And your arms that are hugging your knees so frail and fine,
But listen: somewhere far off by the distant lake Chad
An exotic giraffe roams about, adorned and refined.
An exquisite figure and a leisurely life are his boon
And a magical pattern that covers his beautiful hide,
Whose beauty can only be rivaled by the brilliant moon
That breaks on the surface of lakes in a tremulous light.
He looks at a distance like the colorful sails of the ships,
His run so smooth, like the birds in the jubilant flight,
I know there's much of miraculous one can glimpse
When in a grotto of marble at sunset he hides.
Of faraway countries I've heard many cheerful songs,
Of an ebony maiden, of a daring and passionate swain,
But you've been breathing this thick foggy air too long,
You wouldn't believe in anything else but the rain.
And how could I tell you about the tropical land,
About the palms and the herbs that one rarely finds?…
Are you weeping? But listen… far off by the distant lake Chad
An exotic giraffe roams about, adorned and refined.
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Post by arisha on Jan 27, 2013 2:30:29 GMT -5
One question for all of you:
Does anybody know the poem about three blackbirds?
I've forgotten the author, and I read it only in Russian.
It's about a threefold state of one's mind.
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Post by silence on Jan 27, 2013 2:55:59 GMT -5
Greetings.. What imaginings? You mean the imagining that virtually every post Tzu makes is an unprovoked attack, or that Arisha is at least as harsh as anyone on this forum? Hi E: You can't quite grasp your own dilemma.. you state that everything is imagined, but then you can't even get along with your own imagination, and you want to blame others for it.. no takers at the 'Realizing Happiness' clubhouse, eh.. figured you'd spread a little of that 'realized happiness' over here, huh.. you're quite the ambassador for 'realized happiness', between you and reefs, i can't recall two less happy forum dwellers.. well, unless you've provoked others into sharing your misery, then your positively giddy.. No, seriously, how's that happiness forum working out? keepin' you busy? lots o good ol rezzin going on over there? just stopping in for 20 or 30 posts a day over here to say hi to your old buddies?... yeah, that's what i thought, just keeping your finely honed judgmental edge all polished and shiny.. well heck, stop on by next time you run out of cool rezzin' things to do over at the Hotel Happiness.. i hear you're building better mousetraps over there.. no? 'imagine' that, rumors.. Be well.. I think Top is right about the total mismatch of your greetings and Be well.. nonsense. You're just here living out a grudge trying to make people think otherwise. |
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Post by Reefs on Jan 27, 2013 3:01:52 GMT -5
It's always amazing what a still mind is capable of doing.
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Post by andrew on Jan 27, 2013 3:09:16 GMT -5
Yes, it really is quite apparent that ego is still playing itself out in the E organism. Which means that you are playing a very dodgy game in ignoring love. When the map is not experienced as separate from the territory, when mind/Becoming is not experienced as separate from Being, there is no need to focus on 'Love'. We may offer it as a pointer away from conditioned beliefs, but conceptual love is fine because there is no issue with appearances. In fact, there comes a time when there is little point in focusing on anything BUT appearances. What you are saying is 'Love' is impersonal by definition (and has no basis in reality), but as Steven Harrison said in the quote I put up the other day....realization is not personal and not impersonal. I can agree that when mind uses love as a weapon it is time to see through that game. Yes, and Love is not personal and not impersonal. It's not an ambiguous paradox and it's not that the personal and the impersonal love are the same. It means nothing is more intimate than oneness. To know what that means I expect you would have to know what Love is. We all know what love is. You are not one of the rare few that have a reference for love. This reminds me of what James said above. The reason people knock you down is for elitism and because you set yourself apart and above (like here). The reason people kiss your ring (!) is because they want to be one of the elite few. |
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