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Post by misc on Apr 9, 2009 23:07:29 GMT -5
that is, has awareness awakened itself to awakening symbolically through him? hard to get the grammar spiritually correct  , no individual awakens. |
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Post by Frankie the Fly on Jun 13, 2009 21:27:01 GMT -5
No.
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Post by lightmystic on Jun 14, 2009 11:24:54 GMT -5
Maybe.
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Post by messagefrommasters on Jul 9, 2009 13:30:29 GMT -5
Deepak Chopra is a intelluctual person but definitely not enlightened.
Forget Deepak chopra, even Maharshi Mahesh yogi was not enlightened
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Post by lightmystic on Jul 9, 2009 16:50:15 GMT -5
How do you know? Deepak Chopra is a intelluctual person but definitely not enlightened. Forget Deepak chopra, even Maharshi Mahesh yogi was not enlightened |
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Post by giannis on Jul 9, 2009 17:51:24 GMT -5
as far as I can remember, his teachings are about making life "flow" more easily, happily and effectively for you, not for Ending uncertainty. so probably his teachings are not gonna take you all the way. (but admittedly, no teaching can take you all the way...  ) |
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Post by V on Jul 9, 2009 23:30:07 GMT -5
My understanding is that Enlightenment is not ending uncertainty, but getting comfortable with it, but perhaps that's not what you meant? as far as I can remember, his teachings are about making life "flow" more easily, happily and effectively for you, not for Ending uncertainty. so probably his teachings are not gonna take you all the way. (but admittedly, no teaching can take you all the way... ) |
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Post by giannis on Jul 11, 2009 8:26:30 GMT -5
My understanding is that Enlightenment is not ending uncertainty, but getting comfortable with it, but perhaps that's not what you meant? Yes, kind of... But I'm not enlightened (if such thing exists), so I'm just guessing based on intuition and words of others. |
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Post by V on Jul 11, 2009 19:42:29 GMT -5
What would you say Enlightenment is? My understanding is that Enlightenment is not ending uncertainty, but getting comfortable with it, but perhaps that's not what you meant? Yes, kind of... But I'm not enlightened (if such thing exists), so I'm just guessing based on intuition and words of others. |
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Post by giannis on Jul 12, 2009 5:46:26 GMT -5
What would you say Enlightenment is? First of all, I'm not sure if enlightenment exists. Honestly, I don't dismiss the possibility of enlightenment being some bad joke. But since my curiosity keeps asking things, I hope it exists. It's probably a basic correction of the perspective of our identity. It'll be on such a basic level, that sooner or later is going to affect every concept of ours, and as a result some deep emotional experiences will be produced (fear, surprise, mystical visions, relief maybe...). Who knows. |
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Post by lightmystic on Jul 12, 2009 15:33:00 GMT -5
Sounds like a great definition to me. Why do you feel like it might not exist? What would you say Enlightenment is? First of all, I'm not sure if enlightenment exists. Honestly, I don't dismiss the possibility of enlightenment being some bad joke. But since my curiosity keeps asking things, I hope it exists. It's probably a basic correction of the perspective of our identity. It'll be on such a basic level, that sooner or later is going to affect every concept of ours, and as a result some deep emotional experiences will be produced (fear, surprise, mystical visions, relief maybe...). Who knows. |
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Post by giannis on Jul 12, 2009 17:15:49 GMT -5
Why do you feel like it might not exist? Cause I haven't attained it, so how can I know? And ...lies exist. |
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Post by lightmystic on Jul 13, 2009 10:22:50 GMT -5
Okay, that makes sense. I appreciate what you're saying. Perhaps, though, it's not some outside thing that's "attained" as such? Perhaps it's a recognition of who and what you already are, and have always been. That's been my experience. So it's more of an undoing of assumptions to innocently see what's been the reality the whole time, instead of adding something extra.... If that's the case, then the very fact that you have some feeling of what is being pointed to suggests that it's certainly there. Because the feeling IS it. And the difference is only seeing what that feeling really is, and starting to trust that, and sink into it, and let go into. Does that make sense? Why do you feel like it might not exist? Cause I haven't attained it, so how can I know? And ...lies exist. |
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Post by giannis on Jul 13, 2009 15:43:42 GMT -5
Thank you for your answer lightmystic. I'll think more about it and see if it rings some bell for me. It sounds like I'm already seeing it but I dismiss it... I feel some "sweet sorrow", like a constant background noise, that's why I keep looking at the who am I question. Maybe this is just because some girlfriend rejected me, maybe it is because of some metaphysical nostalgia... how can I know  I have to admit that I'm searching for what I am for about 5 years, not so intensely but I keep coming back to the question (a lot). (also, organized religion in my country seems so fake it's for laughs, no answers there) I have this doubt though: If my "reality" is always there, if I ever "see" it or "admit" it, will I recognise it? Will I know that this is it? Or will I probably dismiss it again and keep looking? Can this thing be admitted for what it is? Will I know that this is it? Will I probably be satisfied with something less of it or false? How can a man full of assumptions know? ps: I'm sorry, I just realized that I've changed the topic of this thread.  |
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Post by lightmystic on Jul 14, 2009 10:06:18 GMT -5
Hey giannis, Sweet sorrow sounds like a growth of the heart. It's sweet because the heart feels connected at some level, and it's sorrowful because is in the process of expanding. That sadness is just the heart feeling slightly constricted because it's gotten as big as it has been allowed to before and it's bumping up against that old boundary...letting the sadness be there allows the block to move and the heart to get big enough to be comfortable... In terms of whether you will recognize it - when you say "Enlightenment", there is a knowingness, a gentle satisfaction and feeling of home that comes up. I'm describing it in my own terms, and so your way might highlight slightly different words, but it's the feeling that comes up, on a very subtle level, when you think about the concept of "Enlightenment"... That's it. The feeling. It may or may not have anything to do with any other conception of what we think it means or will "give us" or how we will be. For me, it was that feeling, but in a completely opposite way than I expected....it looked nothing on the surface like I had envisioned many years before. But the knowingness was the same. You cannot accept and admit without recognizing it. To do so would simply be not being honest with yourself. That said, I think that you can put attention on that very subtle knowingness. Perhaps attention on your heart, though it isn't localized to any specific place. But the heart is the sense organ that can sense the connectedness of these things.... It's the spaciousness, that feeling that cannot be categorized, even with a word like spaciousness. These words can only refer to it.... It's something that makes the heart content. And to recognize that you're already having that experience on a level that's too subtle to be satisfying will let you put attention on it. Then it can grow and grow until it is completely satisfying, until you recognize your relationship to it. Can you find what I'm referring to in yourself? What does it feel like to you? Thank you for your answer lightmystic. I'll think more about it and see if it rings some bell for me. It sounds like I'm already seeing it but I dismiss it... I feel some "sweet sorrow", like a constant background noise, that's why I keep looking at the who am I question. Maybe this is just because some girlfriend rejected me, maybe it is because of some metaphysical nostalgia... how can I know I have to admit that I'm searching for what I am for about 5 years, not so intensely but I keep coming back to the question (a lot). (also, organized religion in my country seems so fake it's for laughs, no answers there) I have this doubt though: If my "reality" is always there, if I ever "see" it or "admit" it, will I recognise it? Will I know that this is it? Or will I probably dismiss it again and keep looking? Can this thing be admitted for what it is? Will I know that this is it? Will I probably be satisfied with something less of it or false? How can a man full of assumptions know? ps: I'm sorry, I just realized that I've changed the topic of this thread. |
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