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Post by onehandclapping on Feb 22, 2012 18:09:08 GMT -5
Anyone knows that THIS, as you call it, is all there is. Except for the things you are not aware of. There are some things you are not aware of. But are those you are not aware of THIS? A very true statement. This THIS is not so simple. Besides it is what is outside , the brain only works as a receiver of this THIS. But what is a true THIS? Who knows? Okay well whats the point in talking about a THIS that is outside of what we can perceive as THIS? Once again you want to complicate a pretty simple thing. Oneness, THIS, I AM, what ever you want to call it, is simple. But if y'all want to play mind games and chase your imaginary tail then knock yourself out. I'm going to sip on my starbucks and watch these fingers type. |
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Post by onehandclapping on Feb 22, 2012 18:11:15 GMT -5
THIS isn't an illusion it is what is going on right now. Without labeling or minding or anything, THIS happens. You can see it. Mind you, when I say you can see it, those are just words for trying to explain THIS, and those words will always fall short. But using words, you hear THIS, see THIS, smell THIS, are THIS, live in THIS. Everything is THIS cause THIS is all there is. THIS and THIS and THIS and THIS. This moment. Right NOW is THIS. Using words to describe the now is just THIS happening. THIS describing THIS in THIS. Very simple.  I'm 100% sure that someone will make it more complicated than that. Where's Andrew? Making things complicated is the minds favorite past time so no doubt. |
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Post by arisha on Feb 22, 2012 18:20:42 GMT -5
To my mind making things too simple is not worth dwelling upon in a discussion like that
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Post by onehandclapping on Feb 22, 2012 18:22:15 GMT -5
Exactly my point.
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Post by onehandclapping on Feb 22, 2012 18:23:49 GMT -5
Let's put a few more giraffes out there to look at, the safari was growing far to boring.
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Post by enigma on Feb 22, 2012 20:34:54 GMT -5
THIS isn't an illusion it is what is going on right now. Without labeling or minding or anything, THIS happens. You can see it. Mind you, when I say you can see it, those are just words for trying to explain THIS, and those words will always fall short. But using words, you hear THIS, see THIS, smell THIS, are THIS, live in THIS. Everything is THIS cause THIS is all there is. THIS and THIS and THIS and THIS. This moment. Right NOW is THIS. Using words to describe the now is just THIS happening. THIS describing THIS in THIS. Very simple. Anyone knows that THIS, as you call it, is all there is. Except for the things you are not aware of. There are some things you are not aware of. But are those you are not aware of THIS? What's the significance of stuff you are not aware of? |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 22, 2012 22:23:27 GMT -5
Why do peeps think Oneness is the ultimate realization? What if you don't know about some other possible realization? Imagine that God is drawing lines on a sheet of paper, and each line is a separate being. (I better say right now that God is "drawing" the lines not like some separate being, but with His Energy. How He is doing that we don't know). There are so many lines that they make this paper look completely covered with light. When the realization happens you see and feel that light in the way you are not a separate line now, but the light itself. You think it's Oneness. But God is still separate, though you don't know about that. You are illusioned again. God again is different. Just because this is how He IS. You can never know everything about Him. There is the other side of the "sheet of paper" He is drawing on. The other side is also Him. And He is not only that. But what else we cannot know. The realization which you think is Oneness is not the Oneness you think it is. Why can't it be like this? Nicely put arisha. This is exactly how I see it. In Judaism this God as unknown is called En Sof, Endlessness. sdp |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 22, 2012 22:46:52 GMT -5
I am just asking my questions. What problem does it cause for you? Arisha, God is rightly looking out of your eyes, it cannot be any other consciousness looking out of your eyes because there is only one consciousness, not 7 billion different consciousness. You are pure awareness, infinite consciousness right now and infinite consciousness is imagining appearences forever, for such is its nature. But as long as you think of yourself as a separate personal individual you will not see this obvious fact. Pure awareness is this what is left when all concepts of personality are gone. You shine forever, you cannot escape the awareness you are. Try it. Try to pin awareness down, try to find a moment you were not aware. You cannot escape yourself. I get you arisha, freddy doesn't. sdp |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 22, 2012 22:53:42 GMT -5
arisha as frustrating as it might seem, This cannot be understood by mind or by analysis (which is of the mind) mind (the flow of thoughts or ego that a seeming individual experiences and identifies with) appears in This therefore mind is only a (very) limited part of This and cannot be used to understand This ....an analogy would be taking a word out of a sentence and trying to understand the sentence by the definition/analysis of that one word... If arisha is correct, and I think she is, then (unqualified) nondualism is just conceptual, and not true. Experience of Oneness is experience of oneness of the created world, whereof God will always be separate. And there is no way a nondualist can prove, experience or demonstrate otherwise. sdp |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 22, 2012 22:55:17 GMT -5
In other words can happening of Oneness be changed significantly at some other level, not human? Why does it seem so important to you to show others how they don't know, can't know anything? That's all I hear you talk about. Does others thinking they realize something cause a problem for you? "If I am wise, it is because I know I know nothing". Socrates |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 22, 2012 23:00:45 GMT -5
ummmm ok. 1. There is only an illusion of self who could feel bad. 2. You see it already. 3. There is nothing to see, just THIS. So what are talking about arisha? I get you arisha, onehandclapping doesn't. sdp |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 22, 2012 23:02:05 GMT -5
There once was a lady named Arisha, Who fought in the duality militia. She couldn't be taught, Cause she reasoned and thought, And imagined she knew what was naught. ;D I get you arisha, zd doesn't. sdp |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 22, 2012 23:12:23 GMT -5
A very true statement. This THIS is not so simple. Besides it is what is outside , the brain only works as a receiver of this THIS. But what is a true THIS? Who knows? Okay well whats the point in talking about a THIS that is outside of what we can perceive as THIS? Once again you want to complicate a pretty simple thing. Oneness, THIS, I AM, what ever you want to call it, is simple. But if y'all want to play mind games and chase your imaginary tail then knock yourself out. I'm going to sip on my starbucks and watch these fingers type. It's about what the Truth is. If God (as En Sof in Judaism, Endlessness) exists outside of creation (as Creator of all THIS), then "nonduality", isn't, OTOH there is God,and OTOH, there is everything else, IOW, two.It's actually quite simple. sdp |
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Post by onehandclapping on Feb 22, 2012 23:15:07 GMT -5
arisha as frustrating as it might seem, This cannot be understood by mind or by analysis (which is of the mind) mind (the flow of thoughts or ego that a seeming individual experiences and identifies with) appears in This therefore mind is only a (very) limited part of This and cannot be used to understand This ....an analogy would be taking a word out of a sentence and trying to understand the sentence by the definition/analysis of that one word... If arisha is correct, and I think she is, then (unqualified) nondualism is just conceptual, and not true. Experience of Oneness is experience of oneness of the created world, whereof God will always be separate. And there is no way a nondualist can prove, experience or demonstrate otherwise. sdp Star I think you need to change your name to Tathagada and take your place as the resident guru of the forum cause you obviously got it figured out. Your first student will be Arisha if you keep up with compliments. I'm sure freejoy will fall in line if you say how much you love him a few times. |
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Post by onehandclapping on Feb 22, 2012 23:17:56 GMT -5
Okay well whats the point in talking about a THIS that is outside of what we can perceive as THIS? Once again you want to complicate a pretty simple thing. Oneness, THIS, I AM, what ever you want to call it, is simple. But if y'all want to play mind games and chase your imaginary tail then knock yourself out. I'm going to sip on my starbucks and watch these fingers type. It's about what the Truth is. If God (as En Sof in Judaism, Endlessness) exists outside of creation (as Creator of all THIS), then "nonduality", isn't, OTOH there is God,and OTOH, there is everything else, IOW, two.It's actually quite simple. sdp Okay so what is the truth for you? Do you think/feel/experience there is a separate being out there? |
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