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Post by zendancer on Feb 23, 2012 13:58:20 GMT -5
Well, what we have on this forum is different peeps with many different levels of understanding, experience, and realization, so there is a great deal of talking past one another. A Pharisee, who is strongly attached to a set of rigid ideas, cannot understand what a Jesus (who is free from ideation) is talking about. Here, we have a few people who are identical to the Pharisees, and we have a few who have attained an enlightened perspective. All others fall somewhere on the spectrum between these two extremes, but, fortunately, the majority are closer to the enlightened end of the spectrum than the Pharisee end of the spectrum. (Andrew is a special case who is all over the spectrum--LOL) Hehe. That got me giggling. Andrew is a full spectrum moholer! ;D Yes, and incredibly argumentative. Most of the time I have no idea what he's trying to communicate, so I've pretty much given up on interacting with him. He's happy with his understanding, and I'm happy that he's happy. His claim, like SC, that he only sees ideas is extremely unusual. It is either the result of a mind run amok, or the idea that using ideation and language in that manner is an effective teaching methodology. From my POV I don't see how it can do anything other than cause confusion in peeps who have come here to learn, and if that's the case, then it's most unfortunate. |
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Post by andrew on Feb 23, 2012 14:00:10 GMT -5
You've certainly had some adventures! Thats a funny story, but I dont avoid meat on a principle, as I said I TRIED to eat it long after the bodymind was rejecting it. In the end, I surrendered to the bodymind. You surrendered to your unconscious guilt. ;D Its just a vibrational/calibration thing. To this bodymind, meat is poisonous. It physically rejects meat. If you were more connected, you would probably experience the same thing, but because you only see human adults suffering, you basically alienate yourself from Life. Do you buy free range or battery farm eggs? |
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Post by andrew on Feb 23, 2012 14:05:10 GMT -5
Hehe. That got me giggling. Andrew is a full spectrum moholer! ;D Yes, and incredibly argumentative. Most of the time I have no idea what he's trying to communicate, so I've pretty much given up on interacting with him. He's happy with his understanding, and I'm happy that he's happy. His claim, like SC, that he only sees ideas is extremely unusual. It is either the result of a mind run amok, or the idea that using ideation and language in that manner is an effective teaching methodology. From my POV I don't see how it can do anything other than cause confusion in peeps who have come here to learn, and if that's the case, then it's most unfortunate. Pointing out the conceptual nature of the universe is useful when a) talking to those who think that the actual can be perceived (and that there is an 'actual' to BE perceived), b) when sense perception is confused with non-abidance in mind, c) when peeps think that objective seeing is happening, and d) when peeps think that they are seeing prior to mind. |
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Post by Beingist on Feb 23, 2012 14:08:26 GMT -5
You've been saying suffering is inevitable in the human experience now, which goes against the 3rd noble truth and the claims of buddha himself. I agree with Buddha that the end of suffering is when we reach Nirvana. For us, that will manifest as a collective shift, and the earth itself will reach 'Nirvana'. Isn't this a conceptualized belief? Careful, Andrew. In my experience, those things have been known to really screw up one's life situation. |
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Post by andrew on Feb 23, 2012 14:11:39 GMT -5
I agree with Buddha that the end of suffering is when we reach Nirvana. For us, that will manifest as a collective shift, and the earth itself will reach 'Nirvana'. Isn't this a conceptualized belief? Careful, Andrew. In my experience, those things have been known to really screw up one's life situation. I do think there is a shift in consciousness happening, but my life situation is really quite okay. I assumed you meant the second bit. Buddha did say that the end of suffering is when we reach Nirvana. |
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Post by Beingist on Feb 23, 2012 14:13:22 GMT -5
Isn't this a conceptualized belief? Careful, Andrew. In my experience, those things have been known to really screw up one's life situation. I do think there is a shift in consciousness happening, but my life situation is really quite okay. I assumed you meant the second bit. Buddha did say that the end of suffering is when we reach Nirvana. Whose to say that Nirvana isn't right here, right now? That's been my take, anyway. |
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Post by Beingist on Feb 23, 2012 14:16:23 GMT -5
 Back in Pavlinaville, I started a thread regarding this very subject that turned out to be highly contentious. It simply puts me in shock that someone else would say this after the feedback I got back then. It's a very common teaching. Tons of peeps have said it. I think you know that. No, I didn't. Why so much flak, then, especially about it being a tautology, and all? But, nevermind. It doesn't really matter, anyway. I'll just stay glad, for now, that someone else said it, too. |
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Post by zendancer on Feb 23, 2012 14:17:09 GMT -5
I do think there is a shift in consciousness happening, but my life situation is really quite okay. I assumed you meant the second bit. Buddha did say that the end of suffering is when we reach Nirvana. Whose to say that Nirvana isn't right here, right now? That's been my take, anyway. B: Your take is pointing in the right direction. |
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Post by andrew on Feb 23, 2012 14:18:24 GMT -5
I do think there is a shift in consciousness happening, but my life situation is really quite okay. I assumed you meant the second bit. Buddha did say that the end of suffering is when we reach Nirvana. Whose to say that Nirvana isn't right here, right now? That's been my take, anyway. Theoretically it is. Practically, it isnt. Suffering is part of the current human (and animal) reality. |
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Post by Beingist on Feb 23, 2012 14:18:33 GMT -5
Yeah, I, too, had a grandmother who cut to the chase in her dealings with everyone. I also learned from her, even at a very early age (she was the only grandparent I ever knew). When I was three, I ran over her foot with my tricycle. "OW!" she said. "You ran over my foot!!" "Well, move your d@mned foot!", I replied. Hehe. I'm guessing she 'cut to the chase' with you about that one too? LOL... Actually, I don't remember, I was only 3.  (The only way I know about this, was because my mother told me about it for years). |
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Post by Beingist on Feb 23, 2012 14:19:02 GMT -5
Whose to say that Nirvana isn't right here, right now? That's been my take, anyway. B: Your take is pointing in the right direction. YAY!  |
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Post by andrew on Feb 23, 2012 14:19:36 GMT -5
Whose to say that Nirvana isn't right here, right now? That's been my take, anyway. B: Your take is pointing in the right direction. That you would consider there to be a right direction illustrates suffering. |
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Post by Beingist on Feb 23, 2012 14:20:43 GMT -5
Whose to say that Nirvana isn't right here, right now? That's been my take, anyway. Theoretically it is. Practically, it isnt. Suffering is part of the current human (and animal) reality. So you keep saying, and so I will keep disagreeing. |
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Post by Beingist on Feb 23, 2012 14:23:29 GMT -5
B: Your take is pointing in the right direction. That you would consider there to be a right direction illustrates suffering. Agreement illustrates suffering? See, this is where it's really best for me to just bow out of the conversation. That's just ... bewildering. |
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Post by andrew on Feb 23, 2012 14:24:33 GMT -5
That you would consider there to be a right direction illustrates suffering. Agreement illustrates suffering? See, this is where it's really best for me to just bow out of the conversation. That's just ... bewildering. No, judging right and wrong is part of suffering. |
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