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Post by desertrat on Feb 5, 2012 23:16:33 GMT -5
I dont loose too much sleep at others arguing on a forum . A few times some one has posted something that made me think . Some of the posts , I still cant understand even after reading a few times . Most times if I cant follow the logic I just skip to the next post . The same with posts that seem to be a running dissagrement . desert rat
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Post by exactamente on Feb 5, 2012 23:36:04 GMT -5
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Post by angela on Feb 5, 2012 23:41:08 GMT -5
okay. here's my hat in the ring.
e&e can only push buttons that you all have hanging out there. and those buttons are your ego. your sense of self.
it'd be so righteous to sign on here one day and see someone who'd been totally brutally burned actually turn around with humility and say.... woah, man, thanks. thanks for loving me enough to poke at me and my stories even when i was mean and petty and silly toward you.
i can dream, can't i?
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Post by exactamente on Feb 5, 2012 23:57:50 GMT -5
Looks more and more like an inferior complex to me. And to soothe that pain you attack those you see as superior. By downgrading them you don't feel so inferior anymore. But doesn't really work, does it?
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Post by exactamente on Feb 6, 2012 3:03:51 GMT -5
is there anything nice and uplifting about your recent posts?
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Post by Peter on Feb 6, 2012 4:35:37 GMT -5
I wouldn't say that. Here's my take, you guys, E & E, just aren't serious. You're here for the kicks and giggles and fun. It's not pretty. Well they're certainly not serious (God help anyone who can't see the humour in the Human Condition), but I don't think saying they're here for the kicks is fair. As I see it, Enigma does at least try and point in the direction of the Truth as he sees it. Which is what Steven is doing and also what I'm doing now. That's pretty much what most people spend their time doing - trying to get others to "see it" how they see it. That's religion for you. adding a strawman of attacking the character of the other person Ahh now, that would be an Ad Hominem attack. I found you a list of Fallacious Arguments that you might find useful in your (apparent) current chosen career. Lol... And now, me posting your guys downgrading posts has turned into me downgrading you guys out of an inferiority complex? You do sort of draw that on yourself when you act out at length to prove what your "credentials" are that make you "at least an equal". That analogy you made of likening E&E to the Popular (but unpleasant) High School Girls clique does work well here. Can you see what your role would be in that drama? It's like you're screaming "Like Me! Respect Me! Damn you all!". I just don't see how that approach can ever work. In the movie, that kid says "sod 'em" and goes off and does whatever it is they want to actually do with their lives. Just curious, why is pointing out and calling for the end of condescending and bullying tactics by a small group of posters against many other posters "SO Wrong" Ah no, that in of itself is not wrong. Hey, you have a point here which is at least valid enough to be worth considering - I myself will be watching Enigma's posts more closely in future and asking myself if he's being naughty or nice. It's the VOLUME Steven, it's the post after post after post of you complaining about what other people are doing. It's your trying to PROVE them into being wrong and apparently being unable to see your own ... character failings while you're about it. Your recent...complaints...have got very personal and have been in no way light hearted. I pointed out that adding "LOL" to a post in no way alters it's energetic content or emotional flavour - it just adds confusion. Have you tried taking your evidence to Zendancer? That is what he's here for (ZD, you're welcome). If someone is genuinely making the board an unpleasant place for users then he's obliged to step in. Why wouldn't a rational person find the constant bullying and condescending remarks themselves to be "so wrong"? Because I don't generally find them to be personal attacks - mostly their points are aimed at an idea or ideal that the poster is holding on to. This is surely the one place where the stripping away of attachments to ideas is a Good Thing? And if the poster takes offense to that, that would suggest to me that they're holding on to their sacred cow. You know, whenever someone says "I am THIS", someone will say "No you're not". Look at Bill Gates, he gets called The Antichrist. So you can either: - Argue the point.
- Not set yourself up in the first place
- Ignore it
- Take an honest look in the mirror to see in what way that person might be right.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2012 8:30:10 GMT -5
steven, you sure are a piece of work. wow!
well-off, IQ160, athlete, beautiful latina wife, highly regarded in professional field... the list goes on. and to top it off: way enlightened. like more than most anyone else, i forgot how you phrased it. sorry if i missed some things on your resume.
lots of projection going on in your posts. for example: hubris. you're claiming others are exhibiting hubris?
it's really amazing.
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Post by exactamente on Feb 6, 2012 10:39:02 GMT -5
steven, you sure are a piece of work. wow! well-off, IQ160, athlete, beautiful latina wife, highly regarded in professional field... the list goes on. and to top it off: way enlightened. like more than most anyone else, i forgot how you phrased it. sorry if i missed some things on your resume. lots of projection going on in your posts. for example: hubris. you're claiming others are exhibiting hubris? it's really amazing. Lot of girraffes there Max.....sorry, channeling enigma there for a sec I think you forgot a "LOL" there at the end of your 1-liner, Tath.  |
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Post by desertrat on Feb 6, 2012 10:58:17 GMT -5
Enigma may be refering to Jack in the box , if you are out side of the USA , its a fast food chain . The drive through usted to have this clown head with a speaker in it , sometimes you could understand the guy/girl taking your order and he/she got it rite . Then on a t.v. add they blew them up and now we have this guy with a clown head , in a shirt and tie. desert rat That was me in my first job (in Phoenix, BTW) when I was attending the Devry Institute. ;D I wounder if that was at 33 av. and Indian School , next to price club/costco ? I only ate there , never worked fast food , its a good job tho , you can allwayse eat . desert rat |
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Post by Beingist on Feb 6, 2012 11:07:24 GMT -5
Hubris, from Wikipedia:
"extreme haughtiness, pride or arrogance. Hubris often indicates a loss of contact with reality and an overestimation of one's own competence or capabilities, especially when the person exhibiting it is in a position of power."
I studied Ancient History in college, which means I had to study the ancient Greeks, particularly the Peloponesian Wars, which the Athenians lost because (at least according to Thucidides), their power and their wisdom resulted in hubris.
Sorry, Steve, but I just don't see that going on, here, anywhere.
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Post by Peter on Feb 6, 2012 11:38:44 GMT -5
She's very pretty. Lucky you. As an aside, I never said I was well off, though I guess that's a matter of perspective. Well you said here that you "work a couple days and make a few ten thousand dollars" and also that you were "awarded what was the largest management consulting project in the history of the US for private business" so that sounds like "I'm well off" to me. You really can't see how your accusations of "hubris" in others is becoming more and more laughable by the minute. It's your shadow, Steven, you're pointing at a self you don't recognise because it doesn't fit your self image. The guys on that board think that you're either the "real deal" or a great liar. Of course there's a 3rd option that the truth lies somewhere in between and you've had good success in both business and spiritual practice and you're also wee bit deluded. What isn't sitting right with me is how someone who's claiming to have died while living, passed through the gateless gate, dipping in and out of perfect 9th Jhana at a whim - and let me quote you here: ...what I really really don't get is how someone who's attained all that can not only be so utterly full of themselves, but also feel the need to make sure everyone else knows it too and respects them for it. It's that NEED to have something, to receive something from others that makes me question these...accolades you're giving yourself. You forgot about the Male Model and artist period of my life though Max, since your keeping score.....;-)
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Post by enigma on Feb 6, 2012 11:38:52 GMT -5
That was me in my first job (in Phoenix, BTW) when I was attending the Devry Institute. ;D I wounder if that was at 33 av. and Indian School , next to price club/costco ? I only ate there , never worked fast food , its a good job tho , you can allwayse eat . desert rat It was almost 40 years ago, so I have no idea. Yes, free food was definitely a plus at that time. |
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Post by enigma on Feb 6, 2012 12:10:06 GMT -5
"In ancient Greek, hubris referred to actions that shamed and humiliated the victim for the pleasure or gratification of the abuser"
"Hubris: Overbearing pride or presumption"
The amazing thingy is that the one projecting can speak in endless detail and never have a clue he's talking about himself. Mind is a wacky critter.
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Post by enigma on Feb 6, 2012 12:36:29 GMT -5
"TIME AND TIME AGAIN I SEE THE BEST RAN MOST COMPETITIVE BUSINESSES PAYING THEIR EMPLOYEES FOR THEIR PERFORMANCE AND NOT JUST THEIR TIME."
It should say "BEST RUN, MOST COMPETITIVE...".
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2012 13:19:20 GMT -5
Hi Steven,
No I don't doubt any of the list of amazing things you've done with or posess in your life. It never even crossed my mind that you'd be lying about those things.
It just seems irrelevant to the topic at hand, that's all. Why does any of that matter?
You feel disrespected in some way. And you list off your accomplishments as an attempt to cause those who you charge with disrespecting you to take a second look at what you are saying. That totally misses the point, IMHO.
What's more, your list of amazing accomplishments seems to be an attempt to add some sort of authority to what you say. So when we're talking hubris -- extreme haughtiness, pride or arrogance -- it sort of seems like that's actually exactly what you are doing. Hence, my little observation of projection.
on the enlightenment thingie -- yea I know you didn't use those words. I'll see what I can find.
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