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Post by Beingist on Feb 17, 2012 14:41:01 GMT -5
1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington, DC 20502 I thought you had some enlightened balls. But.. Hey, chickens can still be cool, you know. Some of us around here might be old enough to remember ... |
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Post by therealfake on Feb 17, 2012 15:23:56 GMT -5
yur a funny freejoy. ic ur address up there. is there a reward for your capture? didn't u say once u escaped from jail, or a funny farm, or sumpin? lol Whole team of doctors and they couldn't find anything the matter. So now I have to go underground to get my drugs. Do you know where I can locate any? Thanks chicken Colorado has medical marijuana dispensaries.... I would go there, but don't forget your prescription... ;D |
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Post by enigma on Feb 17, 2012 16:23:59 GMT -5
Maybe he founds the drugs he was looking for.  Show me your fearlessness. Give me your address. Thanks, but I already have a lady friend.  |
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Post by runstill on Feb 17, 2012 16:31:40 GMT -5
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 17, 2012 16:47:36 GMT -5
I thought a map was something you looked at from a vantage point, not the vantage point itself? It is something to get a birds eye view of where one's vantage point is located in space relative to other points. Using the definition above, and in the context of nonduality, a map is purely conceptual, and thus not real. There is no birds eye view in actuality. Just THIS. What I hear Andrew saying over and over is okay okay that may be true in the nonduality context. So what? How do you get to a place in a foreign land. Ask someone else or use a friggin map or wander until you find it. There were once two friends who grew up together. One became an aid worker in a village in deepest Africa. His friend decided to visit, they made arrangements for a village elder to meet him at the closest town accessible by vehicle. The two met, the friend wanted to see a map to the village. The elder replied: " I am the map".  sdp |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 17, 2012 17:03:54 GMT -5
Yup, I get a picture in my mind of a hitch hiker, hiking around the universe, looking for 'home' (awakening)...
Not realizing it's been in his/her back pack all along...heheNot to disparage anyone, but I don't know why Cat Stevens became a Muslim, he was making a pretty good Buddhist. (His) Catch Bull At Four is #4 of the OX Herding pictures. Comment: The search for the bull is #1. The bull has never been lost. What need is there to search? Only because of separation from my true nature, I fail to find him. In the confusion of the senses I lose even his tracks. Far from home I see many crossroads, but which way is the right one I know not. Greed and fear, good and bad, entangle me. from Zen Flesh, Zen Bones by Paul Reps and Nyogen Senzaki, 1957 |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 17, 2012 17:27:28 GMT -5
Just curious kate, ever read RD Laing? (He came to mind as someone recently commented it's insane to be well-adjusted to an insane society). He seemed to be able to get to the roots effectively, and help some people...I think he was pretty sharp.............Fritz Perls also comes to mind........... anyway........a side story. A few years ago our company was wiring a house for a Psychiatrist. She and her son happened to be in the kitchen where I was changing an outlet. I got a slight shock, and of course, hand jerks automatically....(no shock is fun).. Of course they both saw me. I explained, I got a slight shock. The boy, about ten, asked me what it was like. I thought for a second........and.......(.........that's my thinking symbol..........  ........)......said it's like getting a spanking. He immediately said, "I want to get shocked!, I want to get shocked"! I said, no you don't.... He said yea, I want to get shocked!!! His mom then said: " We don't spank".  sdp No, I haven't read either of those guys, at least I don't think. I have always loved the written word, in almost any form, and I spent a lot of my teenage years plucking books off my Mum's shelf and reading them. I can't remember most of the authors, though. I have no doubt that there are some psychoanalysts who have grasped a lot of what we talk about here. I also see it sometimes with certain poets, playwrights, novelists, artists, anyone who is hell-bent on getting to the heart of what life is about. You dig for long enough, with enough tenacity and eventually you will hit on something true. I see it frequently in stuff I read. Often there is one erroneous idea in the middle that is a bit off track, but it gets very close to a non-dual perspective. Re:kids and therapist parents. I have a treasure trove of hilarious stories on that subject too. Including parents who insisted children should learn from their own mistakes and therefore if they wanted to throw a honey jar at your head they should be allowed to. *sigh* Fortunately my parents were a little more conventional in their approach. In my 20's I heard about this book called The Outsider. Even just the title whet my appetite (definitely being an outsider), but then I was in the habit of waiting for a book to arrive....on schedule.....instead of special-ordering. About '78 or '79 I chanced upon it in a Denver, Co. bookstore. When I got back home I read it through almost without stopping. It was a very significant book for me (and led to many other good books). It was Colin Wilson's first book, published in 1956, Great Britain (he's since written about 75 books). In it he discusses many "poets, playwrights, novelists and artists hell-bent upon getting to the heart of what life is about". The Outsider is still in my top-ten of all-time-favorite books. sdp |
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Post by quinn on Feb 17, 2012 18:13:36 GMT -5
In my 20's I heard about this book called The Outsider. Even just the title whet my appetite (definitely being an outsider), but then I was in the habit of waiting for a book to arrive....on schedule.....instead of special-ordering. About '78 or '79 I chanced upon it in a Denver, Co. bookstore. When I got back home I read it through almost without stopping. It was a very significant book for me (and led to many other good books). It was Colin Wilson's first book, published in 1956, Great Britain (he's since written about 75 books). In it he discusses many "poets, playwrights, novelists and artists hell-bent upon getting to the heart of what life is about". The Outsider is still in my top-ten of all-time-favorite books. sdp Loved that book, stardust. My kids had it for required reading in high school - they always made me read the ones they liked a lot. I just yelled to my son, "Do you remember The Outsider and Ponyboy?" and he yelled back... "Stay golden, Ponyboy! Nature's first green is gold, her hardest hue to hold. Then green turns to gray. Nothing gold can stay." Think it made an impression on him, too? |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 17, 2012 20:10:33 GMT -5
In my 20's I heard about this book called The Outsider. Even just the title whet my appetite (definitely being an outsider), but then I was in the habit of waiting for a book to arrive....on schedule.....instead of special-ordering. About '78 or '79 I chanced upon it in a Denver, Co. bookstore. When I got back home I read it through almost without stopping. It was a very significant book for me (and led to many other good books). It was Colin Wilson's first book, published in 1956, Great Britain (he's since written about 75 books). In it he discusses many "poets, playwrights, novelists and artists hell-bent upon getting to the heart of what life is about". The Outsider is still in my top-ten of all-time-favorite books. sdp Loved that book, stardust. My kids had it for required reading in high school - they always made me read the ones they liked a lot. I just yelled to my son, "Do you remember The Outsider and Ponyboy?" and he yelled back... "Stay golden, Ponyboy! Nature's first green is gold, her hardest hue to hold. Then green turns to gray. Nothing gold can stay." Think it made an impression on him, too? Oops..........wrong The Outsider, your'n ( ;D) is by SE Hinton, I believe. No, haven't read it, but I've seen parts of the movie, bunch of young actors that later made it big..... Wilson talks about Lawrence of Arabia, Nietzsche, George Bernard Shaw, Tolstoy, William Blake, Herman Hesse, van Gogh, Nijinsky (famous dancer, who kept a diary), Sartre, TS Eliot, , Kafka, Albert Camus, William James, Thomas Mann, HG Wells, Dostoyevsky, Goethe, James Joyce, Henry James, Kierkegaard, Schopenhauer, Rilke & Ramakrishna (He spent consideral pages on those highlighted). .....and of course, Chuang Tzu...... He followed this by several more Outsider books, adding Wittgenstein...... I'll try to come up with a quote describing the Outsider....... sdp |
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Post by kate on Feb 17, 2012 22:30:09 GMT -5
I'm not totally sure of what you mean by "sweeping (and limiting)" but it is a completely true statement. And yes, I think that quote from Adya goes some way to explaining why it's true. "Almost everyone dies without becoming free" may have been true in the past, but we have no way of knowing if this is currently true or will be in the future. Clarity doesn't mean clairvoyance. That's the "sweeping" part. The limiting part is the inference that the odds are heavily against us, which can just add another layer of resistance. Another little thought running in the background like 'this probably isn't going to happen". Adya's saying life tends to go towards freedom. I've seen that in nature, in societies, in myself. It's a different focus from Enigma's and I think it matters. And they're both saying Notice. No problem there. ;D Adya says everything has a natural tendency to self-liberate. The question that would be obvious to ask in response to that is, why then are people not self-liberating left, right and centre? The next part of his statement answers that question. Is "Almost everyone dies without becoming free" really a statement that needs to be seen as limiting? If most people are dying without becoming free then all that says to me is don't go along with the general consensus. Most people do not have it figured out. They'll tell you they do, the whole world will urge you towards a way that delivers you at hell's door while telling you you're on your way to heaven. So don't take almost everyone's word for it, figure it out for yourself and you cease to be almost everyone. So, odd as it might seem, I find the statement encouraging. ;D |
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Post by kate on Feb 17, 2012 22:42:53 GMT -5
Loved that book, stardust. My kids had it for required reading in high school - they always made me read the ones they liked a lot. I just yelled to my son, "Do you remember The Outsider and Ponyboy?" and he yelled back... "Stay golden, Ponyboy! Nature's first green is gold, her hardest hue to hold. Then green turns to gray. Nothing gold can stay." Think it made an impression on him, too? Oops..........wrong The Outsider, your'n ( ;D) is by SE Hinton, I believe. No, haven't read it, but I've seen parts of the movie, bunch of young actors that later made it big..... Wilson talks about Lawrence of Arabia, Nietzsche, George Bernard Shaw, Tolstoy, William Blake, Herman Hesse, van Gogh, Nijinsky (famous dancer, who kept a diary), Sartre, TS Eliot, , Kafka, Albert Camus, William James, Thomas Mann, HG Wells, Dostoyevsky, Goethe, James Joyce, Henry James, Kierkegaard, Schopenhauer, Rilke & Ramakrishna (He spent consideral pages on those highlighted). .....and of course, Chuang Tzu...... He followed this by several more Outsider books, adding Wittgenstein...... I'll try to come up with a quote describing the Outsider....... sdp And then there is Camus's book 'The Stranger' which was also published in certain countries as 'The Outsider'. That one has been on a few school reading lists over the years as well. I haven't read the book you mention, SDP, but it does sound very much my kind of thing. I am going to hunt it down - thanks for the tip! I'm a bit excited  |
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Post by angela on Feb 18, 2012 0:12:18 GMT -5
adya also says "no one can avoid their true nature forever" makes me giggle. people fight SO HARD to stay asleep. |
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Post by silence on Feb 18, 2012 1:03:36 GMT -5
Adya is a pretty on point guy I must say. He seems to also be a chick magnet for female spiritual seekers.
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Post by angela on Feb 18, 2012 1:08:39 GMT -5
i think it's because he's got a great sense of humor. the sort of high holy seeming guys who put out a lot of "knowledge" kind of stuff just reek of ridiculousness, not to mention the lack of belly laughing is just, well, boring. heh..... the reason i dig him is because he cracks me up. makes him seem less a "guy" and more just.... neutral. feels legit.
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Post by silence on Feb 18, 2012 1:10:21 GMT -5
i think it's because he's got a great sense of humor. the sort of high holy seeming guys who put out a lot of "knowledge" kind of stuff just reek of ridiculousness, not to mention the lack of belly laughing is just, well, boring. heh..... the reason i dig him is because he cracks me up. makes him seem less a "guy" and more just.... neutral. feels legit. Yeah. Kinda what the laughing androgynous Buddha statues point to as well. |
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........)......said it's like getting a spanking. He immediately said, "I want to get shocked!, I want to get shocked"! I said, no you don't.... He said yea, I want to get shocked!!! His mom then said: "We don't spank". 
