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Post by exactamente on Feb 4, 2012 11:55:14 GMT -5
Briefly, here's my take. The part of ourselves which is connected to the Whole, is the sun. True self stands on the earth. What you call illusion is a cloudy sky, otherwise known as ego/personality/cultural self. So, there are obstructions to standing in the bright light of the sun. What you're saying is that there is no doing-time progression to get to the cloudless sky, anybody and everybody just has to wait for the sun to burn off the clouds. Gnaw, you're not actually hearing anything I'm saying, and the idea that there's a part of ourselves that's connected to the whole and the true self stands on the Earth, etc, tells me we don't have any common ground on which to base a discussion. the true self abides in non-positionality |
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Post by enigma on Feb 4, 2012 12:03:41 GMT -5
enigma, generically, is like a giant magnet that throws one off course........ sdp I'm sure enigma will agree with that one. ;D It's a free service to all who seek to arrive safely at their destination. ;D |
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Post by exactamente on Feb 4, 2012 12:05:08 GMT -5
I'm sure enigma will agree with that one. ;D It's a free service to all who seek to arrive safely at their destination. ;D Camel tow? |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 4, 2012 12:05:24 GMT -5
Briefly, here's my take. The part of ourselves which is connected to the Whole, is the sun. True self stands on the earth. What you call illusion is a cloudy sky, otherwise known as ego/personality/cultural self. So, there are obstructions to standing in the bright light of the sun. What you're saying is that there is no doing-time progression to get to the cloudless sky, anybody and everybody just has to wait for the sun to burn off the clouds. . I know exactly what you're saying......... Let's take Suzy who walks in off the street, a new seeker, hasn't read one thing about nondualism or Zen or Sufism or anything, just appears here on spiritual teachers, arranges to meet you in person. She just knows life sucks and in all this, there has to be something better........ What does enigma tell her? Go ahead, tell her, let's hear it. (I tell her, for a first conversation, what's written above.......and it's the truth). I want to hear what you tell her enigma. I want to hear how you get her to a second conversation (that is, unless you think you can get her enlightened in one conversation). She tells you that she has in her pocket a bottle of pills that will do her in. She says: If you can't tell me why I should get through to tomorrow, I'm going to take these pills tonight. What does enigma tell her? She says I hear that you, enigma, are the man, I'm not going to talk to anyone else, until tomorrow, if I make it to tomorrow.
Take all the time you need.....well......as the clock is ticking, let's say 12:00 midnight, EST.......sdp |
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Post by runstill on Feb 4, 2012 12:10:30 GMT -5
sdp, you said this about captain enigma there:  lol thanks for my morning chuckle angela.  |
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Post by enigma on Feb 4, 2012 12:11:12 GMT -5
Gnaw, you're not actually hearing anything I'm saying, and the idea that there's a part of ourselves that's connected to the whole and the true self stands on the Earth, etc, tells me we don't have any common ground on which to base a discussion. You're the rich kid who owns the ball and when he can't get his way takes it and goes home........back shortly........ And if I argued with you I'd be the brat who always has to be right, and if I gave in, I'd be the wimp who refused to stand up for himself on the playground. Do you see how giraffe spotting works? You can't help but see the world through your own filter, and then believe your own thoughts. I agree there's much ego work to do, so lets get started........ |
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Post by enigma on Feb 4, 2012 12:13:53 GMT -5
It's a free service to all who seek to arrive safely at their destination. ;D Camel tow? I don't think my cable is long enough for this one.  |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 4, 2012 12:16:27 GMT -5
You're the rich kid who owns the ball and when he can't get his way takes it and goes home........back shortly........ And if I argued with you I'd be the brat who always has to be right, and if I gave in, I'd be the wimp who refused to stand up for himself on the playground. Do you see how giraffe spotting works? You can't help but see the world through your own filter, and then believe your own thoughts. I agree there's much ego work to do, so lets get started........ That post was just a stop-gap until I got to a real post (which is why I said back shortly)...which is Post #33. sdp |
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Post by enigma on Feb 4, 2012 12:18:37 GMT -5
Gnaw, you're not actually hearing anything I'm saying, and the idea that there's a part of ourselves that's connected to the whole and the true self stands on the Earth, etc, tells me we don't have any common ground on which to base a discussion. I know exactly what you're saying......... Let's take Suzy who walks in off the street, a new seeker, hasn't read one thing about nondualism or Zen or Sufism or anything, just appears here on spiritual teachers, arranges to meet you in person. She just knows life sucks and in all this, there has to be something better........ What does enigma tell her? Go ahead, tell her, let's hear it. (I tell her, for a first conversation, what's written above.......and it's the truth). I want to hear what you tell her enigma. I want to hear how you get her to a second conversation (that is, unless you think you can get her enlightened in one conversation). She tells you that she has in her pocket a bottle of pills that will do her in. She says: If you can't tell me why I should get through to tomorrow, I'm going to take these pills tonight. What does enigma tell her? She says I hear that you, enigma, are the man, I'm not going to talk to anyone else, until tomorrow, if I make it to tomorrow. Take all the time you need.....well......as the clock is ticking, let's say 12:00 midnight, EST....... sdp If this forum were for suicidal peeps who knew nothing about spiritual stuff, I wouldn't be here. If you fall into that category, maybe this isn't the best place for you. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 4, 2012 12:23:12 GMT -5
I know exactly what you're saying......... Let's take Suzy who walks in off the street, a new seeker, hasn't read one thing about nondualism or Zen or Sufism or anything, just appears here on spiritual teachers, arranges to meet you in person. She just knows life sucks and in all this, there has to be something better........ What does enigma tell her? Go ahead, tell her, let's hear it. (I tell her, for a first conversation, what's written above.......and it's the truth). I want to hear what you tell her enigma. I want to hear how you get her to a second conversation (that is, unless you think you can get her enlightened in one conversation). She tells you that she has in her pocket a bottle of pills that will do her in. She says: If you can't tell me why I should get through to tomorrow, I'm going to take these pills tonight. What does enigma tell her? She says I hear that you, enigma, are the man, I'm not going to talk to anyone else, until tomorrow, if I make it to tomorrow. Take all the time you need.....well......as the clock is ticking, let's say 12:00 midnight, EST....... sdp If this forum were for suicidal peeps who knew nothing about spiritual stuff, I wouldn't be here. If you fall into that category, maybe this isn't the best place for you. J#&s&* %#*+ $**# %****** #*****, do you not know what a hypothetical question is........? sdp |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 4, 2012 12:32:56 GMT -5
Briefly, here's my take. The part of ourselves which is connected to the Whole, is the sun. True self stands on the earth. What you call illusion is a cloudy sky, otherwise known as ego/personality/cultural self. So, there are obstructions to standing in the bright light of the sun. What you're saying is that there is no doing-time progression to get to the cloudless sky, anybody and everybody just has to wait for the sun to burn off the clouds. Gnaw, you're not actually hearing anything I'm saying, and the idea that there's a part of ourselves that's connected to the whole and the true self stands on the Earth, etc, tells me we don't have any common ground on which to base a discussion. If I stack up ten quotes from ten different well-established nonduality teachers that prove you are wrong, here, that show you don't know what you're talking about, where are you going to run and hide? sdp |
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Post by enigma on Feb 4, 2012 12:42:51 GMT -5
If this forum were for suicidal peeps who knew nothing about spiritual stuff, I wouldn't be here. If you fall into that category, maybe this isn't the best place for you. Je*us Ho*y S**t f****** C*****, do you not know what a hypothetical question is........? sdp Then lemme say it more clearly. What makes you think I would instruct a suicidal newbe the way you describe? What does it have to do with the discussions we have here? |
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Post by enigma on Feb 4, 2012 12:44:25 GMT -5
Gnaw, you're not actually hearing anything I'm saying, and the idea that there's a part of ourselves that's connected to the whole and the true self stands on the Earth, etc, tells me we don't have any common ground on which to base a discussion. If I stack up ten quotes from ten different well-established nonduality teachers that prove you are wrong, here, that show you don't know what you're talking about, where are you going to run and hide? sdp Okay, go ahead. |
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Post by runstill on Feb 4, 2012 12:54:21 GMT -5
the true self abides in non-positionality[/quote] . what the heck does non-positionality mean. 
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Post by nobodyishome on Feb 4, 2012 13:37:41 GMT -5
the true self abides in non-positionality . what the heck does non-positionality mean. [/quote] Non allegiance NBisH |
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