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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2012 10:46:44 GMT -5
i like loose cannons! of course they're not helpful when you wanna keep a ship afloat.
my understanding of the no free will thingie is that when one sort of 'resigns' to the fact of being just a pure manifestation of god/universe, whatever, the actions that blossom forth are probably better described as godly and more guided by love and such. so it's sort of a contradiction to say 'free reign to do as he pleases' because that's actually not at all what is going on.
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Post by silence on Feb 10, 2012 14:19:02 GMT -5
my guess is you're taking it too personally, whatever it is. i've noticed disagreements about practice and such, but that's about it. My concern is not about me........ enigma is just a loose cannon..... He has said has no free will, that everything just happens, This gives him free reign do do as he pleases.......... sdp He's also saying you don't have free will either. Better lock yourself in the bathroom in case you suddenly realize you can go on a murdering spree now!  |
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Post by Beingist on Feb 10, 2012 16:22:26 GMT -5
My concern is not about me........ enigma is just a loose cannon..... He has said has no free will, that everything just happens, This gives him free reign do do as he pleases.......... sdp He's also saying you don't have free will either. Better lock yourself in the bathroom in case you suddenly realize you can go on a murdering spree now! I'm getting close to that. And he's likely to be the first one I'll be going after. ;D |
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Post by sharon on Feb 10, 2012 16:45:44 GMT -5
He's also saying you don't have free will either. Better lock yourself in the bathroom in case you suddenly realize you can go on a murdering spree now! I'm getting close to that. And he's likely to be the first one I'll be going after. ;D Which he do you mean please? |
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Post by Beingist on Feb 10, 2012 17:21:26 GMT -5
I'm getting close to that. And he's likely to be the first one I'll be going after. ;D Which he do you mean please? The same 'he' silence means. |
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Post by sharon on Feb 10, 2012 17:31:47 GMT -5
Which he do you mean please? The same 'he' silence means. Ok, 'he' doesn't mean to hurt anyone you know. In boundary dissolution what 'he' says makes sense, though then there would have to somebody there to remember what 'he' wrote. Somebody = boundary. That make sense? |
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Post by Beingist on Feb 10, 2012 17:48:58 GMT -5
The same 'he' silence means. Ok, 'he' doesn't mean to hurt anyone you know. In boundary dissolution what 'he' says makes sense, though then there would have to somebody there to remember what 'he' wrote. Somebody = boundary. That make sense? Who said anyone was out to hurt anyone? There is no one here. Nothing happens. There is no volition, and no separate self choosing to do anything, let alone hurt anyone. |
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Post by sharon on Feb 10, 2012 18:05:49 GMT -5
Ok, 'he' doesn't mean to hurt anyone you know. In boundary dissolution what 'he' says makes sense, though then there would have to somebody there to remember what 'he' wrote. Somebody = boundary. That make sense? Who said anyone was out to hurt anyone? There is no one here. Nothing happens. There is no volition, and no separate self choosing to do anything, let alone hurt anyone. What is reading this sentence, is exactly the same as what has written it. 'Why are you wearing that stupid mansuit' ~ Frank |
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Post by silence on Feb 10, 2012 18:10:00 GMT -5
He's also saying you don't have free will either. Better lock yourself in the bathroom in case you suddenly realize you can go on a murdering spree now! I'm getting close to that. And he's likely to be the first one I'll be going after. ;D It's got you that riled up eh? |
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Post by Beingist on Feb 10, 2012 18:15:00 GMT -5
I'm getting close to that. And he's likely to be the first one I'll be going after. ;D It's got you that riled up eh? Yeah, pretty much. Can't argue with him. Besides, he's right--no volition, no separate self. Bye, bye, Beingist. Nice never knowing ya. Oh, and btw, how does one lock oneself in a bathroom, when the doors lock from the inside?  |
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Post by silence on Feb 10, 2012 22:53:25 GMT -5
It's got you that riled up eh? Yeah, pretty much. Can't argue with him. Besides, he's right--no volition, no separate self. Bye, bye, Beingist. Nice never knowing ya. Oh, and btw, how does one lock oneself in a bathroom, when the doors lock from the inside? Yeah, which is why I've brought it back to what people actually want quite a few times. Everyone loves the idea of freedom. True freedom will scare the mind $hitless. You got me there. I hadn't thought out the bathroom scenario.  |
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Post by enigma on Feb 11, 2012 12:07:06 GMT -5
It's got you that riled up eh? Yeah, pretty much. Can't argue with him. Besides, he's right--no volition, no separate self. Bye, bye, Beingist. Nice never knowing ya. Oh, and btw, how does one lock oneself in a bathroom, when the doors lock from the inside? Sorry, B. Let it settle a bit and you'll be fine. When I first talked to Marie about nonvolition, she would get confused and dizzy (sometimes angry) and we'd stop. I mentioned the free willy discussion in our squirrel satsang yesterday, and she wanted to talk about it. We spent an hour talking about it and she thinks it's "beautiful". She sees the truth of it and she smells freedom at the other end of it. |
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Post by Beingist on Feb 11, 2012 12:29:33 GMT -5
Yeah, pretty much. Can't argue with him. Besides, he's right--no volition, no separate self. Bye, bye, Beingist. Nice never knowing ya. Oh, and btw, how does one lock oneself in a bathroom, when the doors lock from the inside? Sorry, B. Let it settle a bit and you'll be fine. When I first talked to Marie about nonvolition, she would get confused and dizzy (sometimes angry) and we'd stop. I mentioned the free willy discussion in our squirrel satsang yesterday, and she wanted to talk about it. We spent an hour talking about it and she thinks it's "beautiful". She sees the truth of it and she smells freedom at the other end of it. I'm fine, E. Quite settled, right now, actually. Which is a good thing, because soon, I have to go help my friend bury his mother. See, dying happens, too. Not that it's really death, of course. I'm aware of all the stuff we talk about, here, regarding birth and death (or not being born and not dying), but still people we know and love die, or 'pass away', or 'pass on' or ... whatever you want to call it, and so, we must bid adieu to those peeps. We must mourn. Mourning happens, too. It's all just somethng else happening in that beautiful, wonderful, ineffable thing that is called Life. |
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Post by Beingist on Feb 11, 2012 12:34:06 GMT -5
Yeah, pretty much. Can't argue with him. Besides, he's right--no volition, no separate self. Bye, bye, Beingist. Nice never knowing ya. Oh, and btw, how does one lock oneself in a bathroom, when the doors lock from the inside? Yeah, which is why I've brought it back to what people actually want quite a few times. Everyone loves the idea of freedom. True freedom will scare the mind $hitless. I was there, once, but ... well, stuff happened that got me thrown into a 72-hour, mental ward lockup. Not long after that, more stuff happened, which resulted in another 3-day stint somewhere else. Hence, I understand quite clearly the efficacy of locking oneself in the bathroom. And yes, true freedom will scare most minds truly sh!tless. The thing is, there is also a fearlessness that can sometimes accompany it, and that's when locking yourself up somewhere might not be an altogether bad idea. All the more reason why the process of a gradual awakening is a very good thing.  |
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Post by enigma on Feb 11, 2012 13:08:43 GMT -5
Sorry, B. Let it settle a bit and you'll be fine. When I first talked to Marie about nonvolition, she would get confused and dizzy (sometimes angry) and we'd stop. I mentioned the free willy discussion in our squirrel satsang yesterday, and she wanted to talk about it. We spent an hour talking about it and she thinks it's "beautiful". She sees the truth of it and she smells freedom at the other end of it. I'm fine, E. Quite settled, right now, actually. Which is a good thing, because soon, I have to go help my friend bury his mother. See, dying happens, too. Not that it's really death, of course. I'm aware of all the stuff we talk about, here, regarding birth and death (or not being born and not dying), but still people we know and love die, or 'pass away', or 'pass on' or ... whatever you want to call it, and so, we must bid adieu to those peeps. We must mourn. Mourning happens, too. It's all just somethng else happening in that beautiful, wonderful, ineffable thing that is called Life. Cool. |
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