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Post by enigma on Feb 5, 2012 18:43:44 GMT -5
Marie just sent me this Anthony de Millo quote: I reckon it could be called one minute wisdom because the clarity and peace only lasts a minute. Glimpses are fine, but it aint the work. I first read Tolle's 'Power of Now' 10 years ago, and that wasnt the beginning of my path by any means. He used a similar gold metaphor which I 'got' or 'saw' very clearly (whatever way you want to see it). I spent the next 3 years pretty dedicated to 'seeing' but I would say that the bulk of the releasing work actually began when I let go of that game and started to sort my life out in a very practical way. I agree that the game of pretending to see clearly doesn't work. |
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Post by quinn on Feb 5, 2012 19:37:17 GMT -5
Just seems to become more and more difficult to see what's going on. And I think silence was saying that I don't really want to see. And I'd like to see that.  Or maybe you wouldn't. ;D Exactly.  |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 5, 2012 20:30:36 GMT -5
You just have to get in there and discover the mirror. Live through your awareness instead of your awareness being continually captured by the reflections in the mirror. sdp That was beautifully written sdp. There's a website - I can't remember the name of it - with video teachings along these same lines. I understand what you're saying, but it doesn't feel like the right thing for me. It becomes an effort to sustain and practice "live through awareness". Most of the time, it's already an effortless thing that's happening and then, unexpectedly, I'm in the midst of some mind-struggle. Which, of course, passes. Until the next one. Just seems to become more and more difficult to see what's going on. And I think silence was saying that I don't really want to see. And I'd like to see that. ...........Sure.........thanks. The paper analogy was mine of long standing, but the mirror analogy was from current reading. I took to this sort of thing over 35 years ago because I was just tired of life, tired of self. But we all have to decide what we want.... sdp |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 5, 2012 22:04:30 GMT -5
I know exactly what you're saying......... Let's take Suzy who walks in off the street, a new seeker, hasn't read one thing about nondualism or Zen or Sufism or anything, just appears here on spiritual teachers, arranges to meet you in person. She just knows life sucks and in all this, there has to be something better........ What does enigma tell her? Go ahead, tell her, let's hear it. (I tell her, for a first conversation, what's written above.......and it's the truth). I want to hear what you tell her enigma. I want to hear how you get her to a second conversation (that is, unless you think you can get her enlightened in one conversation). She tells you that she has in her pocket a bottle of pills that will do her in. She says: If you can't tell me why I should get through to tomorrow, I'm going to take these pills tonight. What does enigma tell her? She says I hear that you, enigma, are the man, I'm not going to talk to anyone else, until tomorrow, if I make it to tomorrow. Take all the time you need.....well......as the clock is ticking, let's say 12:00 midnight, EST....... sdp If this forum were for suicidal peeps who knew nothing about spiritual stuff, I wouldn't be here. If you fall into that category, maybe this isn't the best place for you. Dream on, dream on.......... sdp |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 5, 2012 22:09:40 GMT -5
That's quite true, quite profound, and actually a paraphrase of Schopenhauer (who understood man's predicament, but had no solutions). sdp , except perhaps to notice there are no solutions. I'll probably keep bumping this.......for a couple of years.... ;D sdp |
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Post by enigma on Feb 5, 2012 22:31:07 GMT -5
I have no solutions either, except perhaps to notice there are no solutions. I'll probably keep bumping this.......for a couple of years.... ;D sdp Any particular reason? |
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Post by enigma on Feb 5, 2012 22:56:32 GMT -5
No. It's your natural state and therefore effortless. Clinging to maya requires hard work and effort. Haha...now you are paroting me in one thread while mocking me in another lol You and enigma are rich. Or it could simply be that it's not even about you. |
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Post by enigma on Feb 6, 2012 0:11:58 GMT -5
Or it could simply be that it's not even about you. True, but not relevant or applicable to the fact that you guys frequently mock what I and others say but then quote it back nearly word for word as sage advice a little later Drop the continuous mockery and you can repeat what I say all you want without a comment from me.... But if ya mock me then quote me without "quoting me" you may get poked for it. Just for the record, I've never once purposely quoted you. It's not personal, it's just that I have my own ways of saying things and rarely have any use for the ideas of others. Given that, I agree with much of what you say, and I say very similar things. I don't keep track the way you apparently do and so I have no idea when that may have occurred. It sounds like you have an idea that I regularly 'mock' something you say only to say that same thing later. There would be no reason for me to do that so either you don't understand what was disagreed with or you don't understand what I'm saying later. |
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Post by silence on Feb 6, 2012 1:13:44 GMT -5
How does one no longer want to hold the struggle, projection and grand stories close? I seem to want to let them go, but apparently I don't really.  Same way you no longer want anything else. You either grow tired of it or notice that the reason you wanted it in the first place was based on confusion to begin with. Make no mistake, you find tremendous value and truth in your own delusions. There's always that one person who deserves to be judged. That one last thing to figure out. The enjoyment of struggling to the point where your identity is formed around the struggle itself. The gittyness of feeling like 'getting it' is just around the corner. Letting go is as natural as it gets and ironically it's also what it's all about. Everyone in their own way is asking others how to let go. Different words, same question. Just be honest with yourself and have the courage to face whatever arises. |
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Post by silence on Feb 6, 2012 1:14:57 GMT -5
True, but not relevant or applicable to the fact that you guys frequently mock what I and others say but then quote it back nearly word for word as sage advice a little later Drop the continuous mockery and you can repeat what I say all you want without a comment from me.... But if ya mock me then quote me without "quoting me" you may get poked for it. Just for the record, I've never once purposely quoted you. It's not personal, it's just that I have my own ways of saying things and rarely have any use for the ideas of others. Given that, I agree with much of what you say, and I say very similar things. I don't keep track the way you apparently do and so I have no idea when that may have occurred. It sounds like you have an idea that I regularly 'mock' something you say only to say that same thing later. There would be no reason for me to do that so either you don't understand what was disagreed with or you don't understand what I'm saying later. It seems this type of issue only arises anyway when someone starts to take their words for more than just pointers. |
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Post by enigma on Feb 6, 2012 1:23:04 GMT -5
Just for the record, I've never once purposely quoted you. It's not personal, it's just that I have my own ways of saying things and rarely have any use for the ideas of others. Given that, I agree with much of what you say, and I say very similar things. I don't keep track the way you apparently do and so I have no idea when that may have occurred. It sounds like you have an idea that I regularly 'mock' something you say only to say that same thing later. There would be no reason for me to do that so either you don't understand what was disagreed with or you don't understand what I'm saying later. It seems this type of issue only arises anyway when someone starts to take their words for more than just pointers. In fact it seems like words in general are being taken way too seriously. |
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Post by silence on Feb 6, 2012 1:35:32 GMT -5
It seems this type of issue only arises anyway when someone starts to take their words for more than just pointers. In fact it seems like words in general are being taken way too seriously. I think I'm going to start referring to awareness as Santa Clause. |
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Post by exactamente on Feb 6, 2012 1:40:30 GMT -5
you guys are so condescending and mockinging...
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Post by enigma on Feb 6, 2012 2:08:37 GMT -5
In fact it seems like words in general are being taken way too seriously. I think I'm going to start referring to awareness as Santa Clause. Then humans are elves, and I'll start talking about reindeer spotting. |
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Post by enigma on Feb 6, 2012 2:09:38 GMT -5
you guys are so condescending and mockinging... It's hubruous! |
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