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Post by question on Jan 31, 2012 15:59:32 GMT -5
Of course he dismissed it, and correctly so. How do you think was he supposed to make any sense of your little koan? I wasn't really thinking anything at the time.  And that's the weirdest thing of all, why do these enlightened teachers then get into the silliest ego battles? I see this with TRF and Beingist all the time, Steven sometimes, even Enigma. I've even caught ZD a couple of times. I find it so weird. |
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Post by question on Jan 31, 2012 16:05:14 GMT -5
The whole idea of "Basic Advice--short and sweet" is already flawed. We have more than enough fortune cookie wisdom around. What is helpful is if one of you gets down to the unenlightened level and talks the nitty gritty of the whole thing. Like if you try to teach math to anyone, you're not just going to write a couple of formulas on the blackboard and expect the student to figure it out on his own. If the student has a problem then you will actually try to get into the student's head and see where he is struggling. I'm missing that here. Too many people too drunk on their bliss. ;-) Not everyone is missing it, there are a few really engaging Yeah, I know Steven. I appreciate your effort, I wish I could speak your language and be dilligent enough to follow structured practise. Unfortunately you've got some ego issues, which is why I wouldn't trust you as a guide, but if you get them sorted out I think you would make one hell of a teacher. |
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Post by nobody on Jan 31, 2012 16:10:11 GMT -5
I think tolle would say do anything except hang out on the tolle forum |
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Post by onehandclapping on Jan 31, 2012 16:36:57 GMT -5
My mantra is "Stop trying to try to do anything. Then stop trying to try and just do/be."
Hence the avatar of a penguin...... do be do be dooooooo. (drink bud ice, beware the penguins. hehehe)
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Post by zendancer on Jan 31, 2012 17:59:49 GMT -5
The whole idea of "Basic Advice--short and sweet" is already flawed. We have more than enough fortune cookie wisdom around. What is helpful is if one of you gets down to the unenlightened level and talks the nitty gritty of the whole thing. Like if you try to teach math to anyone, you're not just going to write a couple of formulas on the blackboard and expect the student to figure it out on his own. If the student has a problem then you will actually try to get into the student's head and see where he is struggling. I'm missing that here. Too many people too drunk on their bliss. Question: I started this thread because I thought if we summarized the condensed essence of each teacher's teaching, a commonality might be exposed that could trigger some insight. Maybe that's possible, and maybe not. To address your question directly, however, let's imagine some people who are floating on the surface of a lake. A person walks up to the edge of the lake, and asks the floaters, "How does one float on the water?" The floaters reply, "Get in the water, lie on your back, take a deep breath, and you'll float." The person replies, "I don't understand. I don't see how that's possible. What must I learn to do?" The floaters reply, "There's nothing you need to learn; just get in the water, lie on your back, and take a deep breath." The person says, "Why won't anyone meet me where I am here on the lakeshore, and show me what to do?" The floaters keep floating, and the person keeps standing on the shore. This is a rough analogy of what's going on here. You already understand that imagination creates the illusion of selfhood, so stop imagining, and attend, notice, look, be. Become a person of action and attentivenes rather than reflection. Do whatever has to be done without looking forward or backward, without projecting, cognizing, calculating, fantasizing, judging, or knowing. Long before Nike came up with its slogan Zen Master Seung Sahn used to tell his students, "Just do it!" Becoming psychologically unified with THIS is like someone getting lost in an intense action game, say tennis. At you begin the game, you are talking to yourself and saying things like, "Remember to get the racket back early, keep the knees bent, etc," but as the game heats up, the internal monologue stops, and the player is running madly back and forth chasing down lobs or smashing returns. With sufficient attention and focus, time and space disappear, and eventually the player, as a separate entity, also disappears into the action. What would happen if the player kept that same level of intensity and attentiveness in ordinary life after the game ends? S/he would cease to be psychologically separate. There would only be THIS doing whatever THIS is doing. This is what all of the teachings are pointing to. In the beginning a certain amount of intensity is necessary, but as thought structures collapse and illusions are penetrated, the psychological union of mind, body, and universe becomes a relaxed flow. Jump in, and let the current carry you along. It is far more fun to go with the flow than to fight against it. |
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Post by Beingist on Jan 31, 2012 18:13:04 GMT -5
I wasn't really thinking anything at the time. And that's the weirdest thing of all, why do these enlightened teachers then get into the silliest ego battles? I see this with TRF and Beingist all the time, Steven sometimes, even Enigma. I've even caught ZD a couple of times. I find it so weird. You see me in ego battles?  |
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Post by nobodyishome on Jan 31, 2012 18:18:56 GMT -5
What if both the teacher and the seeker are being chased by a hungry tiger? What advice would you give?
If you are the teacher..Don't worry nothing is going to happen again ;D
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Post by nobodyishome on Jan 31, 2012 18:23:02 GMT -5
Short and sweet
Don't care about nothing, then nothing cares about you, then care about nothing.
NBisH
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Post by Beingist on Jan 31, 2012 18:26:56 GMT -5
Short and sweet Don't care about nothing, then nothing cares about you, then care about nothing.
NBisHIsn't that a little... indifferent? |
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Post by nobodyishome on Jan 31, 2012 18:30:36 GMT -5
Short and sweet Don't care about nothing, then nothing cares about you, then care about nothing.
NBisHIsn't that a little... indifferent? 
NBish |
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Post by onehandclapping on Jan 31, 2012 20:00:06 GMT -5
The whole idea of "Basic Advice--short and sweet" is already flawed. We have more than enough fortune cookie wisdom around. What is helpful is if one of you gets down to the unenlightened level and talks the nitty gritty of the whole thing. Like if you try to teach math to anyone, you're not just going to write a couple of formulas on the blackboard and expect the student to figure it out on his own. If the student has a problem then you will actually try to get into the student's head and see where he is struggling. I'm missing that here. Too many people too drunk on their bliss. Actually it is like writing a couple formulas on the blackboard and letting you figure it out on your own. We point, you figure it out yourself. Nothing we say can show you the solution to the formula. You have to realize that the whole problem is the problem its self or lack there of a problem in this case. |
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Post by klaus on Jan 31, 2012 20:17:03 GMT -5
The whole idea of "Basic Advice--short and sweet" is already flawed. We have more than enough fortune cookie wisdom around. What is helpful is if one of you gets down to the unenlightened level and talks the nitty gritty of the whole thing. Like if you try to teach math to anyone, you're not just going to write a couple of formulas on the blackboard and expect the student to figure it out on his own. If the student has a problem then you will actually try to get into the student's head and see where he is struggling. I'm missing that here. Too many people too drunk on their bliss. Question: I started this thread because I thought if we summarized the condensed essence of each teacher's teaching, a commonality might be exposed that could trigger some insight. Maybe that's possible, and maybe not. To address your question directly, however, let's imagine some people who are floating on the surface of a lake. A person walks up to the edge of the lake, and asks the floaters, "How does one float on the water?" The floaters reply, "Get in the water, lie on your back, take a deep breath, and you'll float." The person replies, "I don't understand. I don't see how that's possible. What must I learn to do?" The floaters reply, "There's nothing you need to learn; just get in the water, lie on your back, and take a deep breath." The person says, "Why won't anyone meet me where I am here on the lakeshore, and show me what to do?" The floaters keep floating, and the person keeps standing on the shore. This is a rough analogy of what's going on here. You already understand that imagination creates the illusion of selfhood, so stop imagining, and attend, notice, look, be. Become a person of action and attentivenes rather than reflection. Do whatever has to be done without looking forward or backward, without projecting, cognizing, calculating, fantasizing, judging, or knowing. Long before Nike came up with its slogan Zen Master Seung Sahn used to tell his students, "Just do it!" Becoming psychologically unified with THIS is like someone getting lost in an intense action game, say tennis. At you begin the game, you are talking to yourself and saying things like, "Remember to get the racket back early, keep the knees bent, etc," but as the game heats up, the internal monologue stops, and the player is running madly back and forth chasing down lobs or smashing returns. With sufficient attention and focus, time and space disappear, and eventually the player, as a separate entity, also disappears into the action. What would happen if the player kept that same level of intensity and attentiveness in ordinary life after the game ends? S/he would cease to be psychologically separate. There would only be THIS doing whatever THIS is doing. This is what all of the teachings are pointing to. In the beginning a certain amount of intensity is necessary, but as thought structures collapse and illusions are penetrated, the psychological union of mind, body, and universe becomes a relaxed flow. Jump in, and let the current carry you along. It is far more fun to go with the flow than to fight against it. zendancer, keep it short and sweet. |
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Post by zendancer on Jan 31, 2012 22:26:50 GMT -5
Question: I started this thread because I thought if we summarized the condensed essence of each teacher's teaching, a commonality might be exposed that could trigger some insight. Maybe that's possible, and maybe not. To address your question directly, however, let's imagine some people who are floating on the surface of a lake. A person walks up to the edge of the lake, and asks the floaters, "How does one float on the water?" The floaters reply, "Get in the water, lie on your back, take a deep breath, and you'll float." The person replies, "I don't understand. I don't see how that's possible. What must I learn to do?" The floaters reply, "There's nothing you need to learn; just get in the water, lie on your back, and take a deep breath." The person says, "Why won't anyone meet me where I am here on the lakeshore, and show me what to do?" The floaters keep floating, and the person keeps standing on the shore. This is a rough analogy of what's going on here. You already understand that imagination creates the illusion of selfhood, so stop imagining, and attend, notice, look, be. Become a person of action and attentivenes rather than reflection. Do whatever has to be done without looking forward or backward, without projecting, cognizing, calculating, fantasizing, judging, or knowing. Long before Nike came up with its slogan Zen Master Seung Sahn used to tell his students, "Just do it!" Becoming psychologically unified with THIS is like someone getting lost in an intense action game, say tennis. At you begin the game, you are talking to yourself and saying things like, "Remember to get the racket back early, keep the knees bent, etc," but as the game heats up, the internal monologue stops, and the player is running madly back and forth chasing down lobs or smashing returns. With sufficient attention and focus, time and space disappear, and eventually the player, as a separate entity, also disappears into the action. What would happen if the player kept that same level of intensity and attentiveness in ordinary life after the game ends? S/he would cease to be psychologically separate. There would only be THIS doing whatever THIS is doing. This is what all of the teachings are pointing to. In the beginning a certain amount of intensity is necessary, but as thought structures collapse and illusions are penetrated, the psychological union of mind, body, and universe becomes a relaxed flow. Jump in, and let the current carry you along. It is far more fun to go with the flow than to fight against it. zendancer, keep it short and sweet. Attend THIS. |
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Post by onehandclapping on Jan 31, 2012 22:29:34 GMT -5
Or that.
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Post by onehandclapping on Jan 31, 2012 22:29:52 GMT -5
Or it.
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