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Post by zendancer on Jan 31, 2012 10:46:40 GMT -5
Most of the teaching peeps who visit this forum use the approach of meeting the dreamer in the dream, as opposed to the Tony Parson-type approach of refusing to acknowledge the dreamer. Perhaps we can use this thread to summarize, in the shortest possible way, the advice each teacher gives to seekers. I'll start the thread with three peeps, and let other teachers summarize their own advice. Later, we'll consider what the differences or similarities might be.
1. ZD: Attend
2. Enigma: Notice
3. Exactamente: Watch
I assume that this advice is pointing to the same thing. If this assumption is in error, E. and E. can make whatever correction is necessary.
4. Eric Puktonen?
5. Steven Cundiff?
6. SomeNothing?
7. Silence?
8. Stillness?
9. Other posters on this forum who are no longer seekers?
We can also summarize what we think is the basic advice of non-forum teachers, living or dead, and discuss that, too. For example:
10. Ramana: Self-inquiry
11. Zen Master Seung Sahn: only don't know.
12. Papaji: Stop and be still
13. Jesus: Look within
14. Ram Dass: Be here now
15. Niz: Stay in the "I am"
16. Adya?
17. Tolle?
18. others?
All teachers discuss a wide variety of issues, and dispense a wide variety of advice, but what we're looking for here, just for fun, is each teacher's advice condensed into as few words as possible.
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Post by angela on Jan 31, 2012 10:56:40 GMT -5
i have heard myself saying, a lot, "there is nothing you can do but see" seeing clearly is the only superpower in the toolbox. the only one i've ever found. also: all the trying in the world has to eventually be surrendered, because it's an argument. and i am drawn when talking with folks to the recognition of this argument, probably because i fought against THIS so hard, so ridiculously hard, all the while saying it was what i wanted most. however, we cant 'do' surrender, there's no one there to surrender, and trying to surrender is just more argument. all we can do is see how futile or false or ego bound it all is and simply be melted into THIS by that recognition. so. yeah. seeing clearly.  |
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Post by Beingist on Jan 31, 2012 11:12:33 GMT -5
I don't profess to be a teacher, but at the same time, I don't consider myself a 'seeker' anymore. Seems like I'm still going through some sort of purification.
But, if I were to be asked right now, for any advice, it would probably be similar to that of Adya's: accept everything, just as it is, and (a la Ramana) ask yourself, "who or what am 'I'?"
In the other forum, I proposed, "What is, is", but that seems to have gotten a lot of flak from folks because it is a tautology, and indeed served me for quite some time as a sort of meme, rather than a practice. It did help me to realize, however, that the key is in the acceptance of What is.
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Post by runstill on Jan 31, 2012 11:35:17 GMT -5
i have heard myself saying, a lot, "there is nothing you can do but see" seeing clearly is the only superpower in the toolbox. the only one i've ever found. seeing clearly. I like this,there only is (seeing ) no see'er no seen,no reactive mind mucking it up, aah causeless joy ? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2012 12:04:22 GMT -5
Jed Mckenna: Sit down, shut up and ask yourself, "What's true?" until you know. (aka Spiritual Autolysis)
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Post by Beingist on Jan 31, 2012 12:05:35 GMT -5
Jed Mckenna: Sit down, shut up and ask yourself, "What's true?" until you know. (aka Spiritual Autolysis) Good one. I like that. Definitely short and sweet. |
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Post by Portto on Jan 31, 2012 12:29:38 GMT -5
Jed Mckenna: Sit down, shut up and ask yourself, "What's true?" until you know. (aka Spiritual Autolysis) What happens if you start with: "Do I even know what 'true' really means?" |
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Post by popee2 on Jan 31, 2012 13:10:00 GMT -5
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Post by sharon on Jan 31, 2012 13:23:18 GMT -5
I'm with Jesus on this one. Though I do reckon that this is Jed McKenna in the red frock as well ...  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2012 13:34:51 GMT -5
next to nothing, i vote the smiley face as being the shortest and sweetest |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2012 13:36:34 GMT -5
try again amigo -- Tweet it. 'Observe the observer'? |
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Post by andrew on Jan 31, 2012 13:37:09 GMT -5
Abraham-Hicks in a nutshell - Get in the vortex anyway you can.
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Post by zendancer on Jan 31, 2012 13:40:38 GMT -5
There is always a further, until there isn't, As a rough outline of practice. The preliminaries: there are practices that demonstrate the nature of emptiness underlying all phenomena, and practices that show the nature of thought and the way we are drawn into self identification with thought. And there are practices that give us a glimpse of the bright clear clarity of the natural state, or essential essence. With the preliminaries, one has had a good recognizable glimpse of the nature of things, and can remain here for the rest of their lives, content with what is without ever going any further. What's left after the preliminaries is a an understanding of the nature of ourselves, and a solid foundation of emptyness, and residing in pure clear clarity. When this is done the prelimanary work is complete. Now comes the work of residing in perfect clarity of emptyness all the time, with thought free to spontaineously come and go without ever dragging you along, or you clinging to them. Then come the methods for uniting the empty stillness, and the bright clear clarity, and the complete liberation of thought. Upon completion of this stage one can say one is enlightened, but has not entered budhahood. Here the mind and identity are freed to be a spontaneous outflowing of awareness, but we are no longer ever drawn into it. Here, we are residing in the unified stillness of bright clear essential nature all the time, while the thoughts and identity are freed to move spontaineously without our involvement. Then comes the practices that disolve the illusary foundation of reality and existance, with the dissolution of the illusary foundation of perceived reality, all the karmic traces, or last vestiges of an identity that we no longer are tied up in are disolved, even up to the body dissolving at death. What's left before parinirvana in this state, is a pure and spontaneous outflowing of the Natural State into the world of samsara, one is no more, with no residual identity and no thoughts spontaineously arising from awarenes without our involvement, no thoughts that run free or are bound, one is an open window to the divine natural state into the world, I.e a Budha. There is always a further, until there is nothing left but the natural state, not even a body. Steven: Can you condense your general advice to a seeker into something short and sweet? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2012 13:45:33 GMT -5
Abraham-Hicks in a nutshell - Get in the vortex anyway you can. that's scary. like a giant flushing or something. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 31, 2012 13:47:39 GMT -5
Abraham-Hicks in a nutshell - Get in the vortex anyway you can. that's scary. like a giant flushing or something. Flushing? |
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