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Post by andrew on Jan 20, 2012 17:08:12 GMT -5
A fundamental principle I work from is that getting very clear about what we want increases the odds of getting it. What I am struggling to see in your words is a clarity as to what you really want. There have been some grandiose notions that sound pretty cool, but I havent seen much clarity in this matter. Call it grandiose if you like, but I don't know how to make "Truth at any cost" any clearer for you, at least in terms of principles. Otherwise, I get where you're coming from, which is, I guess, getting what you want. So noted.  Well, you can help me to get clearer if you like.... I think you said that Truth at all costs would enable you to know Truth....have I got that right? If so, what would knowing Truth give you more of that you want? |
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Post by Beingist on Jan 20, 2012 17:22:48 GMT -5
Call it grandiose if you like, but I don't know how to make "Truth at any cost" any clearer for you, at least in terms of principles. Otherwise, I get where you're coming from, which is, I guess, getting what you want. So noted. Well, you can help me to get clearer if you like.... I think you said that Truth at all costs would enable you to know Truth....have I got that right? If so, what would knowing Truth give you more of that you want? Well, to be perfectly honest, I used to think that 'Truth at all costs' meant that I would pursue Truth, at all costs. However, as I stop to consider it now, such would obviously indicate an attachment, which I would admit, if I had one. However, I don't see that, currently, so it would probably be more accurate to say that Truth is now pursuing me.  In any case, I no longer have need to pursue it, as I realize that there's really nothing to pursue, and never has been. It's weird, I know. I'm out to lunch, what can I say? |
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Post by angela on Jan 20, 2012 17:27:26 GMT -5
being! you just quoted adya! he talks about how we spend our spiritual lives chasing god only to realize one day god is chasing us. he also says, don't mess around with this truth stuff, because once the fire is lit, it aint going out. ever. whee!!! |
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Post by andrew on Jan 20, 2012 17:33:52 GMT -5
Well, you can help me to get clearer if you like.... I think you said that Truth at all costs would enable you to know Truth....have I got that right? If so, what would knowing Truth give you more of that you want? Well, to be perfectly honest, I used to think that 'Truth at all costs' meant that I would pursue Truth, at all costs. However, as I stop to consider it now, such would obviously indicate an attachment, which I would admit, if I had one. However, I don't see that, currently, so it would probably be more accurate to say that Truth is now pursuing me. In any case, I no longer have need to pursue it, as I realize that there's really nothing to pursue, and never has been. It's weird, I know. I'm out to lunch, what can I say? So you dont want to know Truth? Is there anything else you want? |
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Post by Beingist on Jan 20, 2012 17:36:56 GMT -5
being! you just quoted adya! he talks about how we spend our spiritual lives chasing god only to realize one day god is chasing us. he also says, don't mess around with this truth stuff, because once the fire is lit, it aint going out. ever. whee!!! Yeah, I know, I watched that clip, and I really resonated with that. Part of accepting, I think, is the resignation, the 'settling in' to your calling of 'Truth at all costs'. Been doing it, myself for most of my life. Considering the other numerous, short-lived careers I've had, that I should still be in 'Truth-seeking' mode, I think says alot about how it's really beyond my 'seeking', anymore. |
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Post by therealfake on Jan 20, 2012 17:38:38 GMT -5
I'm here to realize Unconditional Love. If I'm really lucky, I'll be chased by both Truth and Unconditional Love.  |
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Post by enigma on Jan 20, 2012 17:41:10 GMT -5
It just means you're no longer duck taped to the one who's looking for whirled peas. Who would be duck taped to the one who is interested in world peace? Zaklee. I'm pointing away from whatever you are thinking I'm pointing to. |
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Post by Beingist on Jan 20, 2012 17:46:09 GMT -5
I'm here to realize Unconditional Love. If I'm really lucky, I'll be chased by both Truth and Unconditional Love. Same thing, to me. But, be advised, it's not all rainbows and unicorns.  |
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Post by andrew on Jan 20, 2012 17:49:31 GMT -5
I'm here to realize Unconditional Love. If I'm really lucky, I'll be chased by both Truth and Unconditional Love. Unconditional love.....yes. I think we are all being chased. Spiritual folk just tend to be more aware of that than non-spiritual folk. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 20, 2012 17:50:04 GMT -5
Who would be duck taped to the one who is interested in world peace? Zaklee. I'm pointing away from whatever you are thinking I'm pointing to. Hehe thats kinda funny. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 20, 2012 17:50:16 GMT -5
An illusion is only an illusion as long as you're not seeing it for what it is. Thats not a definitionIt's a contradiction. How can you be attached to something you have no attachment to? You can be attached to releasing attachment. I would say its very useful to be attached to releasing attachment. Its how we release it. Word games. How fun!  |
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Post by andrew on Jan 20, 2012 17:51:55 GMT -5
You can be attached to releasing attachment. I would say its very useful to be attached to releasing attachment. Its how we release it. Word games. How fun! That wasnt a word game. I meant it. For as long as the need to attach is present, I think attaching to releasing attachment is helpful. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 20, 2012 17:53:09 GMT -5
Well, you can help me to get clearer if you like.... I think you said that Truth at all costs would enable you to know Truth....have I got that right? If so, what would knowing Truth give you more of that you want? Well, to be perfectly honest, I used to think that 'Truth at all costs' meant that I would pursue Truth, at all costs. However, as I stop to consider it now, such would obviously indicate an attachment, which I would admit, if I had one. However, I don't see that, currently, so it would probably be more accurate to say that Truth is now pursuing me. In any case, I no longer have need to pursue it, as I realize that there's really nothing to pursue, and never has been. It's weird, I know. I'm out to lunch, what can I say? Well, at least you've managed to completely confuse yourself. Hehe. |
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Post by tathagata on Jan 20, 2012 17:54:55 GMT -5
Forget truth, remember essential awareness....once you have had a taste of essential awareness, make it your highest priority to value it more than anything else in life...do whatever life activities you would normally do, but stay centered in perfect crystalline awareness...while in every activity, value your awareness more than the activity or the desired outcome of the activity
This is the secret of the great sages that do not come and go from awareness into mind abiding.
Forget truth, value awareness above all else, make it more valuable to you in every moment than everything else while living your life.
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Post by therealfake on Jan 20, 2012 17:56:38 GMT -5
Who would be duck taped to the one who is interested in world peace? Zaklee. I'm pointing away from whatever you are thinking I'm pointing to. World Peace is kinda like a World of Unconditional Love... It won't happen as long as you think there's a World out there that needs Peace or Unconditional Love. |
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