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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 14:54:21 GMT -5
Yes, but being able and willing to think for oneself is not something that just falls into ones lap by chance. It is something one must pursue, the ability to think....to realy think for oneself. And proper thinking is problem-solving. Else it is just this: More bla-bla-bla for the sake of sustaining an evil system by being a confirmed member of it. By the way, I like the Buddha too. He rejected his position as a prince for the sake of truth. That is what I consider courageous and heroic. Really? Have you ever found a shortage of problems? |
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Post by anja on May 27, 2016 15:18:24 GMT -5
No, there indeed is no "shortage of problems". Nevertheless, thinking means solving them, at least in theory. The practical side of it is not up to me to change. I try, but if others just don't try to change it but just perpetuate it, I can't do anything about it.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 15:22:08 GMT -5
No, there indeed is no "shortage of problems". Nevertheless, thinking means solving them, at least in theory. The practical side of it is not up to me to change. I try, but if others just don't try to change it but just perpetuate it, I can't do anything about it. So how many problems a day do you find on average? And are you ever successful in practically solving any of them on your own? |
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Post by anja on May 27, 2016 15:36:51 GMT -5
That are some very good questions. And yes, I solved, on a practical level, my family problems. I love my mother, and she loves me. I love my brother and he loves me. I love my sister and she loves me. And I also love the dude my mother is living with since my dad died. That was not an easy one, I can tell yah.
I also love my neigbour, who is not an intellecutal but does what she does as good as she can and I recognize it. I love the city I live in and I'm born in. It's a very beautifull city....for a city.
On top of that I solved a lot of economical, religious, social and political problems in theory. Wanna read my essays about it? Just pm me.
What else you wanna know?
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 15:53:13 GMT -5
That are some very good questions. And yes, I solved, on a practical level, my family problems. I love my mother, and she loves me. I love my brother and he loves me. I love my sister and she loves me. And I also love the dude my mother is living with since my dad died. That was not an easy one, I can tell yah. I also love my neigbour, who is not an intellecutal but does what she does as good as she can and I recognize it. I love the city I live in and I'm born in. It's a very beautifull city....for a city. On top of that I solved a lot of economical, religious, social and political problems in theory. Wanna read my essays about it? Just pm me. What else you wanna know? Yeah, being able to freely express the love felt for those closest, will end what were once seen as problems. |
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Post by anja on May 27, 2016 15:55:49 GMT -5
Have you also contemplated on those topics? And if so, where can I read the results of your solutions?
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 16:04:26 GMT -5
Have you also contemplated on those topics? And if so, where can I read the results of your solutions? What topics? |
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Post by anja on May 27, 2016 16:15:53 GMT -5
Have you also contemplated on those topics? And if so, where can I read the results of your solutions? What topics? Politics, economics, religion and other social issues in general. Test! I now try to just quote the question: "What topics?" How can I just quote one sentence out of the whole post? Or is that impossible? Please guide me how to quote what I want to quote. (Seriously!) |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 16:27:12 GMT -5
Politics, economics, religion and other social issues in general. Test! I now try to just quote the question: "What topics?" How can I just quote one sentence out of the whole post? Or is that impossible? Please guide me how to quote what I want to quote. (Seriously!) Ok, I hear (Seriously!)  No it's not impossible. Just delete the sentences you're not replying to. It won't affect the original post. |
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Post by anja on May 27, 2016 16:43:29 GMT -5
If we are spiritual practitioners, one of the things that we hope for is the dissolution of ego. We recognize the pain of the egoic state, and we hope we won’t be confined to it forever. But awakening itself is not the same as egoic dissolving. We can wake up whether the ego has dissolved or not. In fact, very strong and even destructive egos can awaken. Awakening begins the process. The result of the awakening— its fallout or aftermath—is a radical dissolving of ego. This does not mean that the ego will be in cooperation. The ego may resist this dissolution with everything it has. It may bring out the entirety of its arsenal. Nevertheless, the process has begun. And ultimately, once you’ve had a glimpse of reality, there’s nothing you can do to stop the ego from dissolving in time. But this dissolution, when it takes place, can be very disorienting. Awakening itself can be very disorienting. Everything you thought was true, you now see is not. The person you thought you were, you now see you are not. That itself can be blissful and a tremendous relief, and it can simultaneously be experienced as disorienting. “Who am I going to be now? What’s going to move me? What’s going to motivate this human being?” Of course, if one is fully awake, one does not have these questions. But that is rare initially. For most people, there is a further process after awakening. So for most people these questions remain. There are no pat answers that a spiritual teacher can give, because any answer would just be turned into another goal by the ego. What’s more useful is to understand that to be disoriented is part of the process of awakening; it is natural to be disoriented, because everything is new. You are new, your perception is new, and your perception of everything and everyone has now changed. The disorientation arises because the mind is struggling to orient itself in a new context. It’s like you are falling out of a plane. If you just let yourself fall, there is no problem. But as soon as you start to grasp at space as if to find your bearings, you feel very disoriented; you realize you don’t know which way is up and which way is down. So disorientation is not necessarily inherent in the awakened view; it arises from the mind trying to find orientation. But one of the keys to the awakened view is that there is no orientation. Reality does not need an orientation. If there is an orientation, it is the orientation of a deep sense of relaxation, of allowing everything to be. Literally, you find your orientation through not trying to find your orientation. You find your orientation by letting go totally. There’s a phase in which we let go, and there does not immediately appear to arise in our consciousness a new energy that will move our lives. Of course, this energy exists and is moving through us all of the time; it is the energy of nondivision. It comes straight from the source, without being distorted. But there is often a gap between the dissolving of our ego motivations and the arising of this energy in our consciousness. So we may go through a period of wondering what new energy will move us along after awakening. ~ Adyashanti ~ The End Of Your World What I would like to do here, by learning how to quote properly, is going into the Adyashanti text, bit by bit, sentence by sentence, to give my perspective on it and going through the whole mess, sentence by sentence, to refute it properly. Something wrong with that? Like: One sentence by Adyashanti and my reply to it and so on. No, by the limited knowledge in quoting properly, I have to go like this: Adyashanti: "If we are spiritual practitioners, one of the things that we hope for is the dissolution of ego." Anja: "No. There is no such thing as the dissolution of ego. We always do have egoic needs, wants and desires. We can only REDUCE them to a lesser degreee. A dissolution of ego is impossible and un-neccessary." Adyashanti: "We recognize the pain of the egoic state, and we hope we won’t be confined to it forever." Anja: "No! We need to have a HEALTHY ego and there is nothing wrong with having an ego. The suffering is not because we have an ego. It is because we, the innocent, do not have enough ego. That, and only that, is the real problem." Adyashanti: "We can wake up whether the ego has dissolved or not." Anja: "There is no such thing as waking up in reality. There is only one knows, consciously, what kind of world we live in or not. But even if one does NOT know it, it does not make any difference for the individial on a spiritual level, other than being FREE from the desire to be validated and accepted by some sort of peers. That, the knowledge that NOBODY is a teacher in spiritual matters, and only that, is what makes one independent and therefore FREE from the need to be "educated" by anybody in any kind of so called spiritual matters." And so on.... Therefore, it would be greatly appreciated by me to know how to quote in a way I would like to quote in order to make my points. (To be continued...maybe...) |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 16:50:33 GMT -5
(To be continued...maybe...) Ok.. Can you see the BBCode link below.. |
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Post by quinn on May 27, 2016 16:56:28 GMT -5
If we are spiritual practitioners, one of the things that we hope for is the dissolution of ego. We recognize the pain of the egoic state, and we hope we won’t be confined to it forever. But awakening itself is not the same as egoic dissolving. We can wake up whether the ego has dissolved or not. In fact, very strong and even destructive egos can awaken. Awakening begins the process. The result of the awakening— its fallout or aftermath—is a radical dissolving of ego. This does not mean that the ego will be in cooperation. The ego may resist this dissolution with everything it has. It may bring out the entirety of its arsenal. Nevertheless, the process has begun. And ultimately, once you’ve had a glimpse of reality, there’s nothing you can do to stop the ego from dissolving in time. But this dissolution, when it takes place, can be very disorienting. Awakening itself can be very disorienting. Everything you thought was true, you now see is not. The person you thought you were, you now see you are not. That itself can be blissful and a tremendous relief, and it can simultaneously be experienced as disorienting. “Who am I going to be now? What’s going to move me? What’s going to motivate this human being?” Of course, if one is fully awake, one does not have these questions. But that is rare initially. For most people, there is a further process after awakening. So for most people these questions remain. There are no pat answers that a spiritual teacher can give, because any answer would just be turned into another goal by the ego. What’s more useful is to understand that to be disoriented is part of the process of awakening; it is natural to be disoriented, because everything is new. You are new, your perception is new, and your perception of everything and everyone has now changed. The disorientation arises because the mind is struggling to orient itself in a new context. It’s like you are falling out of a plane. If you just let yourself fall, there is no problem. But as soon as you start to grasp at space as if to find your bearings, you feel very disoriented; you realize you don’t know which way is up and which way is down. So disorientation is not necessarily inherent in the awakened view; it arises from the mind trying to find orientation. But one of the keys to the awakened view is that there is no orientation. Reality does not need an orientation. If there is an orientation, it is the orientation of a deep sense of relaxation, of allowing everything to be. Literally, you find your orientation through not trying to find your orientation. You find your orientation by letting go totally. There’s a phase in which we let go, and there does not immediately appear to arise in our consciousness a new energy that will move our lives. Of course, this energy exists and is moving through us all of the time; it is the energy of nondivision. It comes straight from the source, without being distorted. But there is often a gap between the dissolving of our ego motivations and the arising of this energy in our consciousness. So we may go through a period of wondering what new energy will move us along after awakening. ~ Adyashanti ~ The End Of Your World What I would like to do here, by learning how to quote properly, is going into the Adyashanti text, bit by bit, sentence by sentence, to give my perspective on it and going through the whole mess, sentence by sentence, to refute it properly. Something wrong with that? Like: One sentence by Adyashanti and my reply to it and so on. No, by the limited knowledge in quoting properly, I have to go like this: Adyashanti: "If we are spiritual practitioners, one of the things that we hope for is the dissolution of ego." Anja: "No. There is no such thing as the dissolution of ego. We always do have egoic needs, wants and desires. We can only REDUCE them to a lesser degreee. A dissolution of ego is impossible and un-neccessary." Adyashanti: "We recognize the pain of the egoic state, and we hope we won’t be confined to it forever." Anja: "No! We need to have a HEALTHY ego and there is nothing wrong with having an ego. The suffering is not because we have an ego. It is because we, the innocent, do not have enough ego. That, and only that, is the real problem." Adyashanti: "We can wake up whether the ego has dissolved or not." Anja: "There is no such thing as waking up in reality. There is only one knows, consciously, what kind of world we live in or not. But even if one does NOT know it, it does not make any difference for the individial on a spiritual level, other than being FREE from the desire to be validated and accepted by some sort of peers. That, the knowledge that NOBODY is a teacher in spiritual matters, and only that, is what makes one independent and therefore FREE from the need to be "educated" by anybody in any kind of so called spiritual matters." And so on.... Therefore, it would be greatly appreciated by me to know how to quote in a way I would like to quote in order to make my points. (To be continued...maybe...) Well, it's kind of a pain in the neck to quote within a quote, but here goes: Make sure you're in the BBCode tab, not the Preview tab (bottom left tabs) Click into wherever you want your response to be (i.e. within Adya's text). Type /quote surrounded by square brackets, type your words, then type quote (without the slash) surrounded by square brackets. It will look like this but without the spaces: [ / quote ] Anja's response [ quote ] |
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Post by anja on May 27, 2016 17:12:45 GMT -5
(continued....part II:)
Adyashanti: "In fact, very strong and even destructive egos can awaken. Awakening begins the process. The result of the awakening— its fallout or aftermath—is a radical dissolving of ego."
Anja: "The so called "awakening", the so called "dissolving of ego" is in fact, in christian terminology just this: demonic possession. Where there is no ego, no needs, wants and desires of the individual, there is only a void that will be filled by evil spirits, who are called sat-anic (anti-truth). Only the non-egoic state of mind can be filled with something like anti-truth. A healthy ego is an ego that is to 50% egoic and to 50% selfless. That is what makes the middle-way the Buddha taught."
Adyashanti: "This does not mean that the ego will be in cooperation. The ego may resist this dissolution with everything it has."
Anja: "Of course it does. And from now on we do not call it an ego, we call it the soul, the ATMAN. And indeed the Atman does have personal needs, wants and desires when it incarnates here. How can it not have? It is used to be in complete agreement with its surroundings because it came from another universe, in which there is no suffering."
Adyashanti: " It may bring out the entirety of its arsenal."
Anja: "Yes, indeed. And therefore it, the ATMAN, what you call the ego, is rich, wealthy and content beyond believe. And morons like you make it feel inadequate by telling them they have to dissolve their ego, which actually means you recommend them to dissolve their soul. That kind of teaching I call demonic, dude."
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Post by anja on May 27, 2016 17:41:32 GMT -5
(Continued...part III):
And to make it as plain as possible, what I try to do here is some sort of exorcism. And no, I'm not a christian. I'm an advaita-vedanta philosopher ARTIST by nature.
Adyashanti: "Nevertheless, the process has begun. And ultimately, once you’ve had a glimpse of reality, there’s nothing you can do to stop the ego from dissolving in time."
Anja: "No! There is no dissolving of ego, the Atman, at all. There is only utter crap, pseudo teachers like you, who have been abused from an early age on, to think themselfs as being superiour in regard of spiritual matters and that is what you engage in now. You have NOTHING to teach a seeker at all. You are empty and you know it!"
Adyashanti: "But this dissolution, when it takes place, can be very disorienting."
Anja: "Of course it is utterly unpleasant. Don't you remember the time you have been abused by your so called superiours, dude? They made you suffer and now you wanna make others suffer too. And that you call enlightenment. Because you have nothing else to give, but that crap you have been through. Just stop it, dude. You have nothing to give and you know it. You are a needy little piece of void that does not even know its own name anymore. A-dya-shanti...nomen est omen. A dead peace, that is what your name is refering to. Stop it! If you can. But I think you can't because you are too far gone by now anyway."
In my eyes, Adyashanti is the typical mind-controlled slave from birth on, who is now a so called spiritual teacher. And I think I can not do anything for him because there is nothing left to build the house on. Too much effort has been put into being a "spiritual teacher" and there is nothing left for me to fill it with joy. The void, the emptiness of such type, can not be saved at all and all effort to do so must fail.
And yes, he also is "innocent" kinda sorta, because he never had a chance to be himself anyway. But now he is too old to be young.
THAT is what demonic possession is all about. And one has to know when to walk away from it for the sake of knowing what can not be saved anymore.
Sorry!
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Post by anja on May 27, 2016 19:16:17 GMT -5
(Continued...part IV):
Adyashanti: "Awakening itself can be very disorienting. Everything you thought was true, you now see is not. The person you thought you were, you now see you are not."
Anja: "The opposite is the case, Adyashanti. To get to know yourself is not disorienting at all. It's a pleasant, joyfull and totally satisfying experience. The person I thought I am I INDEED AM!"
Adyashanti: "That itself can be blissful and a tremendous relief, and it can simultaneously be experienced as disorienting. “Who am I going to be now? What’s going to move me? What’s going to motivate this human being?”
Anja: "Yes, that can happen IF one is insecure as a person (per-son means where the sound comes from). And yes, you try to get those seekers by their insecurities. That's what demon (not me) possessed dudes do, sheit-face-boy."
Adyashanti: "Of course, if one is fully awake, one does not have these questions. But that is rare initially. For most people, there is a further process after awakening. So for most people these questions remain."
Anja: "No! I have no further questions regarding who I am, mofo! I asked, honestly, earnestly and persistently and got my answers. Once and for all, baby-satan. I'm the big one, dude. Guess my name."
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