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Post by tzujanli on Jun 12, 2013 11:47:57 GMT -5
Greetings.. I can only conclude that you must be a great warrior. It's funny that you say that lol i've long thought of men as fitting into various archetypes. You have the Merchant, the Warrior, The Blacksmith or Farmer, and the Shaman or "Holy Man". Whatever your were when you had "realization" informs your approach afterwards. I was a Warrior, so was Tzu apparently, a fighter before is a fighter after ;-) Warriors are generally useless in daily life, but are really good under duress, as such, they seek conflict, because its a kind of comfort zone where they are calm, useful, and at their best...while not under duress, we become deranged from lack of meaning, value, and engagement. Merchants are what they are, people who are continuously selling things with some propensity for it. Merchants care not of the mysteries, but find their comfort zone in the practicalities. Blacksmith/Farmers, are those guys that show up everyday and do a good days work, in some ways they are the opposite of the Warriors, they are not good under duress....Warriors derange under everyday life with no battle to find their calm center in, Farmers derange under duress with no daily routine and security to center themselves in. Holy Men care not of this world, and find their comfort zone in the mysteries, while floundering in the practicalities that merchants thrive in. Odly enough, Niz, who was a merchant by profession, was probably the Warrior Archetype, Ramana and Jesus were probably the Holy Men Archetype. Seems like Enigma is a merchant, Max is a Farmer, yadduh yadduh yadduh. While Warriors and Farmers are kinda opposites in their comfort zone, there is an affinity in that they are doers, and where Merchants and Holy Men are opposites in their comfort zone, there is an affinity in that they are inherently thinkers. Whatever your archetype before coming to the ineffable, will probably inform your approach after. With much compassion, i urge you to let those beliefs go.. 'i am' what is actually happening, 'now'.. 'i am not', your beliefs about archetypes.. that illusion will categorize and prejudice your interactions with others.. humbly, i suggest that you just see who/what a person reveals themselves to be in the moment of your interaction.. Be well..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2013 11:48:23 GMT -5
I can only conclude that you must be a great warrior. It's funny that you say that lol i've long thought of men as fitting into various archetypes. You have the Merchant, the Warrior, The Blacksmith or Farmer, and the Shaman or "Holy Man". Whatever your were when you had "realization" informs your approach afterwards. I was a Warrior, so was Tzu apparently, a fighter before is a fighter after ;-) Warriors are generally useless in daily life, but are really good under duress, as such, they seek conflict, because its a kind of comfort zone where they are calm, useful, and at their best...while not under duress, we become deranged from lack of meaning, value, and engagement. Merchants are what they are, people who are continuously selling things with some propensity for it. Merchants care not of the mysteries, but find their comfort zone in the practicalities. Blacksmith/Farmers, are those guys that show up everyday and do a good days work, in some ways they are the opposite of the Warriors, they are not good under duress....Warriors derange under everyday life with no battle to find their calm center in, Farmers derange under duress with no daily routine and security to center themselves in. Holy Men care not of this world, and find their comfort zone in the mysteries, while floundering in the practicalities that merchants thrive in. Odly enough, Niz, who was a merchant by profession, was probably the Warrior Archetype, Ramana and Jesus were probably the Holy Men Archetype. Seems like Enigma is a merchant, Max is a Farmer, yadduh yadduh yadduh. While Warriors and Farmers are kinda opposites in their comfort zone, there is an affinity in that they are doers, and where Merchants and Holy Men are opposites in their comfort zone, there is an affinity in that they are inherently thinkers. In this thought based reality, it's kinda no surprise that the thinkers, the Merchants and Holy Men, have had the most influence in shaping humanity. Whatever your archetype before coming to the ineffable, will probably inform your approach after. Interesting! Not sure what the pivot point is, though -- what are you referring to with 'realization'?
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Post by tzujanli on Jun 12, 2013 11:52:40 GMT -5
Greetings.. That's how the known is created, by imagining it into apparent existence. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but the idea that something unknown is discovered, is just more imagined knowing. Tzuth defined it as the source of the known, and TRF defined it as death. That's the trouble with words as they become symbols of symbols... When I say 'Death' is the unknown, it is not meant so much as a definition of the undefinable, but rather as a departure point to the unknown. It's the point where imagination runs into reality. I kinda agree with your understanding.. though, i also understand that it is entirely possible to suspend imagination while integrated with the physical form, and so see/experience reality, now.. i understand that 'death' is a transition that discards the local perspective/experience and assimilates with non-local.. Be well..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2013 11:59:22 GMT -5
It's funny that you say that lol i've long thought of men as fitting into various archetypes. You have the Merchant, the Warrior, The Blacksmith or Farmer, and the Shaman or "Holy Man". Whatever your were when you had "realization" informs your approach afterwards. I was a Warrior, so was Tzu apparently, a fighter before is a fighter after ;-) Warriors are generally useless in daily life, but are really good under duress, as such, they seek conflict, because its a kind of comfort zone where they are calm, useful, and at their best...while not under duress, we become deranged from lack of meaning, value, and engagement. Merchants are what they are, people who are continuously selling things with some propensity for it. Merchants care not of the mysteries, but find their comfort zone in the practicalities. Blacksmith/Farmers, are those guys that show up everyday and do a good days work, in some ways they are the opposite of the Warriors, they are not good under duress....Warriors derange under everyday life with no battle to find their calm center in, Farmers derange under duress with no daily routine and security to center themselves in. Holy Men care not of this world, and find their comfort zone in the mysteries, while floundering in the practicalities that merchants thrive in. Odly enough, Niz, who was a merchant by profession, was probably the Warrior Archetype, Ramana and Jesus were probably the Holy Men Archetype. Seems like Enigma is a merchant, Max is a Farmer, yadduh yadduh yadduh. While Warriors and Farmers are kinda opposites in their comfort zone, there is an affinity in that they are doers, and where Merchants and Holy Men are opposites in their comfort zone, there is an affinity in that they are inherently thinkers. Whatever your archetype before coming to the ineffable, will probably inform your approach after. I kinda like that, but I was just wondering how you know there would be an approach needed 'after' meeting the ineffable? I don't.....but for clarity, by "approach", I mean the means and tenor by which they interact with others.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2013 12:01:06 GMT -5
Greetings.. It's funny that you say that lol i've long thought of men as fitting into various archetypes. You have the Merchant, the Warrior, The Blacksmith or Farmer, and the Shaman or "Holy Man". Whatever your were when you had "realization" informs your approach afterwards. I was a Warrior, so was Tzu apparently, a fighter before is a fighter after ;-) Warriors are generally useless in daily life, but are really good under duress, as such, they seek conflict, because its a kind of comfort zone where they are calm, useful, and at their best...while not under duress, we become deranged from lack of meaning, value, and engagement. Merchants are what they are, people who are continuously selling things with some propensity for it. Merchants care not of the mysteries, but find their comfort zone in the practicalities. Blacksmith/Farmers, are those guys that show up everyday and do a good days work, in some ways they are the opposite of the Warriors, they are not good under duress....Warriors derange under everyday life with no battle to find their calm center in, Farmers derange under duress with no daily routine and security to center themselves in. Holy Men care not of this world, and find their comfort zone in the mysteries, while floundering in the practicalities that merchants thrive in. Odly enough, Niz, who was a merchant by profession, was probably the Warrior Archetype, Ramana and Jesus were probably the Holy Men Archetype. Seems like Enigma is a merchant, Max is a Farmer, yadduh yadduh yadduh. While Warriors and Farmers are kinda opposites in their comfort zone, there is an affinity in that they are doers, and where Merchants and Holy Men are opposites in their comfort zone, there is an affinity in that they are inherently thinkers. Whatever your archetype before coming to the ineffable, will probably inform your approach after. With much compassion, i urge you to let those beliefs go.. 'i am' what is actually happening, 'now'.. 'i am not', your beliefs about archetypes.. that illusion will categorize and prejudice your interactions with others.. humbly, i suggest that you just see who/what a person reveals themselves to be in the moment of your interaction.. Be well.. Cool, and good advice :-)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2013 12:02:58 GMT -5
Greetings.. That's the trouble with words as they become symbols of symbols... When I say 'Death' is the unknown, it is not meant so much as a definition of the undefinable, but rather as a departure point to the unknown. It's the point where imagination runs into reality. I kinda agree with your understanding.. though, i also understand that it is entirely possible to suspend imagination while integrated with the physical form, and so see/experience reality, now.. i understand that 'death' is a transition that discards the local perspective/experience and assimilates with non-local.. Be well.. But you must be imagining that 'bout death, right? Just a guess?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2013 12:10:20 GMT -5
It's funny that you say that lol i've long thought of men as fitting into various archetypes. You have the Merchant, the Warrior, The Blacksmith or Farmer, and the Shaman or "Holy Man". Whatever your were when you had "realization" informs your approach afterwards. I was a Warrior, so was Tzu apparently, a fighter before is a fighter after ;-) Warriors are generally useless in daily life, but are really good under duress, as such, they seek conflict, because its a kind of comfort zone where they are calm, useful, and at their best...while not under duress, we become deranged from lack of meaning, value, and engagement. Merchants are what they are, people who are continuously selling things with some propensity for it. Merchants care not of the mysteries, but find their comfort zone in the practicalities. Blacksmith/Farmers, are those guys that show up everyday and do a good days work, in some ways they are the opposite of the Warriors, they are not good under duress....Warriors derange under everyday life with no battle to find their calm center in, Farmers derange under duress with no daily routine and security to center themselves in. Holy Men care not of this world, and find their comfort zone in the mysteries, while floundering in the practicalities that merchants thrive in. Odly enough, Niz, who was a merchant by profession, was probably the Warrior Archetype, Ramana and Jesus were probably the Holy Men Archetype. Seems like Enigma is a merchant, Max is a Farmer, yadduh yadduh yadduh. While Warriors and Farmers are kinda opposites in their comfort zone, there is an affinity in that they are doers, and where Merchants and Holy Men are opposites in their comfort zone, there is an affinity in that they are inherently thinkers. In this thought based reality, it's kinda no surprise that the thinkers, the Merchants and Holy Men, have had the most influence in shaping humanity. Whatever your archetype before coming to the ineffable, will probably inform your approach after. Interesting! Not sure what the pivot point is, though -- what are you referring to with 'realization'? Don't have a good or universal answer for that, as the objective inevitably seems to overlay the subjective, but as close as I can come is that realization is that point where you "experience" what seems to be the root, i.e. stillness, awareness, silence, what is, emptiness, etc.....whatever you want to call it...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2013 12:11:33 GMT -5
Greetings.. That's the trouble with words as they become symbols of symbols... When I say 'Death' is the unknown, it is not meant so much as a definition of the undefinable, but rather as a departure point to the unknown. It's the point where imagination runs into reality. I kinda agree with your understanding.. though, i also understand that it is entirely possible to suspend imagination while integrated with the physical form, and so see/experience reality, now.. i understand that 'death' is a transition that discards the local perspective/experience and assimilates with non-local.. Be well.. Yes, if we suspend our imagination and see/experience reality as it is, than we die to the unknown... Essentially we don't 'know' what we are seeing and what we are experiencing, as even seeing and experiencing are known. The realization of course is that the world and what we know is all imagination.
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Post by laughter on Jun 12, 2013 15:01:45 GMT -5
I can only conclude that you must be a great warrior. It's funny that you say that lol i've long thought of men as fitting into various archetypes. You have the Merchant, the Warrior, The Blacksmith or Farmer, and the Shaman or "Holy Man". Whatever your were when you had "realization" informs your approach afterwards. I was a Warrior, so was Tzu apparently, a fighter before is a fighter after ;-) Warriors are generally useless in daily life, but are really good under duress, as such, they seek conflict, because its a kind of comfort zone where they are calm, useful, and at their best...while not under duress, we become deranged from lack of meaning, value, and engagement. Merchants are what they are, people who are continuously selling things with some propensity for it. Merchants care not of the mysteries, but find their comfort zone in the practicalities. Blacksmith/Farmers, are those guys that show up everyday and do a good days work, in some ways they are the opposite of the Warriors, they are not good under duress....Warriors derange under everyday life with no battle to find their calm center in, Farmers derange under duress with no daily routine and security to center themselves in. Holy Men care not of this world, and find their comfort zone in the mysteries, while floundering in the practicalities that merchants thrive in. Odly enough, Niz, who was a merchant by profession, was probably the Warrior Archetype, Ramana and Jesus were probably the Holy Men Archetype. Seems like Enigma is a merchant, Max is a Farmer, yadduh yadduh yadduh. While Warriors and Farmers are kinda opposites in their comfort zone, there is an affinity in that they are doers, and where Merchants and Holy Men are opposites in their comfort zone, there is an affinity in that they are inherently thinkers. In this thought based reality, it's kinda no surprise that the thinkers, the Merchants and Holy Men, have had the most influence in shaping humanity. Whatever your archetype before coming to the ineffable, will probably inform your approach after. ...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2013 19:42:51 GMT -5
It's unknown and I like it...
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Post by Beingist on Jun 12, 2013 20:03:17 GMT -5
It's unknown and I like it... Indeed, there is a sort of excitement that accompanies the prospect of never knowing what's gonna happen next.
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Post by onehandclapping on Jun 12, 2013 20:28:04 GMT -5
I can only conclude that you must be a great warrior. It's funny that you say that lol i've long thought of men as fitting into various archetypes. You have the Merchant, the Warrior, The Blacksmith or Farmer, and the Shaman or "Holy Man". Whatever your were when you had "realization" informs your approach afterwards. I was a Warrior, so was Tzu apparently, a fighter before is a fighter after ;-) Warriors are generally useless in daily life, but are really good under duress, as such, they seek conflict, because its a kind of comfort zone where they are calm, useful, and at their best...while not under duress, we become deranged from lack of meaning, value, and engagement. Merchants are what they are, people who are continuously selling things with some propensity for it. Merchants care not of the mysteries, but find their comfort zone in the practicalities. Blacksmith/Farmers, are those guys that show up everyday and do a good days work, in some ways they are the opposite of the Warriors, they are not good under duress....Warriors derange under everyday life with no battle to find their calm center in, Farmers derange under duress with no daily routine and security to center themselves in. Holy Men care not of this world, and find their comfort zone in the mysteries, while floundering in the practicalities that merchants thrive in. Odly enough, Niz, who was a merchant by profession, was probably the Warrior Archetype, Ramana and Jesus were probably the Holy Men Archetype. Seems like Enigma is a merchant, Max is a Farmer, yadduh yadduh yadduh. While Warriors and Farmers are kinda opposites in their comfort zone, there is an affinity in that they are doers, and where Merchants and Holy Men are opposites in their comfort zone, there is an affinity in that they are inherently thinkers. In this thought based reality, it's kinda no surprise that the thinkers, the Merchants and Holy Men, have had the most influence in shaping humanity. Whatever your archetype before coming to the ineffable, will probably inform your approach after. I'd say a large majority of the folks on here are "warrior" types as this is a forum for sparring spiritual ideas and concepts. I'm not so sure Max is a farmer as you say...... He seems pretty good at sparring when need be... And I think Tzu believes himself to be a Holy Man based on his "teachings" he posts...... you are just projecting a "Warrior" persona on him..... hahahahahaha
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Post by onehandclapping on Jun 12, 2013 20:33:04 GMT -5
Greetings.. It's funny that you say that lol i've long thought of men as fitting into various archetypes. You have the Merchant, the Warrior, The Blacksmith or Farmer, and the Shaman or "Holy Man". Whatever your were when you had "realization" informs your approach afterwards. I was a Warrior, so was Tzu apparently, a fighter before is a fighter after ;-) Warriors are generally useless in daily life, but are really good under duress, as such, they seek conflict, because its a kind of comfort zone where they are calm, useful, and at their best...while not under duress, we become deranged from lack of meaning, value, and engagement. Merchants are what they are, people who are continuously selling things with some propensity for it. Merchants care not of the mysteries, but find their comfort zone in the practicalities. Blacksmith/Farmers, are those guys that show up everyday and do a good days work, in some ways they are the opposite of the Warriors, they are not good under duress....Warriors derange under everyday life with no battle to find their calm center in, Farmers derange under duress with no daily routine and security to center themselves in. Holy Men care not of this world, and find their comfort zone in the mysteries, while floundering in the practicalities that merchants thrive in. Odly enough, Niz, who was a merchant by profession, was probably the Warrior Archetype, Ramana and Jesus were probably the Holy Men Archetype. Seems like Enigma is a merchant, Max is a Farmer, yadduh yadduh yadduh. While Warriors and Farmers are kinda opposites in their comfort zone, there is an affinity in that they are doers, and where Merchants and Holy Men are opposites in their comfort zone, there is an affinity in that they are inherently thinkers. Whatever your archetype before coming to the ineffable, will probably inform your approach after. With much compassion, i urge you to let those beliefs go.. 'i am' what is actually happening, 'now'.. 'i am not', your beliefs about archetypes.. that illusion will categorize and prejudice your interactions with others.. humbly, i suggest that you just see who/what a person reveals themselves to be in the moment of your interaction.. Be well.. The illusion you have that he needs to "let go of those beliefs" prejudices your interactions with him.....and others. Humbly, I suggest that you just let go of that illusion and look at whta he reveals to you in the moment of your reading his words...... Be well..
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Post by onehandclapping on Jun 12, 2013 20:35:02 GMT -5
It's unknown and I like it... Indeed, there is a sort of excitement that accompanies the prospect of never knowing what's gonna happen next. it's like waking up on christmas morning every day!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2013 20:49:59 GMT -5
It's unknown and I like it... Indeed, there is a sort of excitement that accompanies the prospect of never knowing what's gonna happen next. Wise you are and the depth of that wisdom brings tears of joy to my eyes...
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