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Post by laughter on Jun 10, 2013 13:09:37 GMT -5
Yes, the clarity of stillness, is the one belief Tzu can't disbelieve...  Well, I can tell you from experience, that that's a REALLY hard one....because its so......clear Belief in non-existence/non-volition might be even harder to let go of and not replace though Even the mind can see through that one, there's really nothing there to let go of. |
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Post by Beingist on Jun 10, 2013 13:27:11 GMT -5
Well, I can tell you from experience, that that's a REALLY hard one....because its so......clear Belief in non-existence/non-volition might be even harder to let go of and not replace though Even the mind can see through that one, there's really nothing there to let go of. You might get some flak from The Hole on this, laffey. He seems preoccupied with those questioning their own existence. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2013 13:29:20 GMT -5
Well, I can tell you from experience, that that's a REALLY hard one....because its so......clear Belief in non-existence/non-volition might be even harder to let go of and not replace though Even the mind can see through that one, there's really nothing there to let go of. There was this tantric technique I played with a lot several years back: "Imagine the unimaginable" What you learn pretty quickly in that technique is....even nothingness is imaginable Anything imaginable can become a belief |
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Post by laughter on Jun 10, 2013 13:44:01 GMT -5
Even the mind can see through that one, there's really nothing there to let go of. There was this tantric technique I played with a lot several years back: "Imagine the unimaginable" What you learn pretty quickly in that technique is....even nothingness is imaginable The whole point of knowing that you can know what you are not is that you know. It is all in the context of course, of knowing that we can't know what we are. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2013 13:51:04 GMT -5
Yes, the clarity of stillness, is the one belief Tzu can't disbelieve... Well, I can tell you from experience, that that's a REALLY hard one....because its so......clear Belief in non-existence/non-volition might be even harder to let go of and not replace though Yeah, the appearance of beliefs do seem clear, when they are there. That's because within belief, there is an inherent 'realness' that perpetuates them. It's the imaginary 'realness' of the belief in the clarity of stillness that the clarity seems to miss... |
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Post by silver on Jun 10, 2013 13:59:10 GMT -5
Well, I can tell you from experience, that that's a REALLY hard one....because its so......clear Belief in non-existence/non-volition might be even harder to let go of and not replace though Yeah, the appearance of beliefs do seem clear, when they are there. That's because within belief, there is an inherent 'realness' that perpetuates them. It's the imaginary 'realness' of the belief in the clarity of stillness that the clarity seems to miss... That doesn't even make sense. Btw, your prejudice is showing... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2013 14:59:17 GMT -5
There was this tantric technique I played with a lot several years back: "Imagine the unimaginable" What you learn pretty quickly in that technique is....even nothingness is imaginable The whole point of knowing that you can know what you are not is that you know. It is all in the context of course, of knowing that we can't know what we are. Have you considered letting go of the context? I don't know whether I can, or cannot know :-) |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2013 16:12:17 GMT -5
Yeah, the appearance of beliefs do seem clear, when they are there. That's because within belief, there is an inherent 'realness' that perpetuates them. It's the imaginary 'realness' of the belief in the clarity of stillness that the clarity seems to miss... That doesn't even make sense. Btw, your prejudice is showing... Looking for what you deem to be sensible is what keeps you in your comfort zone. If you want to experience the 'I AM'your imagined sensibility isn't going to help you much in the face of the unknown... |
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Post by silver on Jun 10, 2013 16:22:46 GMT -5
That doesn't even make sense. Btw, your prejudice is showing... Looking for what you deem to be sensible is what keeps you in your comfort zone. If you want to experience the 'I AM'your imagined sensibility isn't going to help you much in the face of the unknown... Ok. Give me some practical everyday example of how the way you see things is different from how you imagine mine is. The practical lives and breathes, whether you care to acknowledge that or no, in everyone's everyday lives. I'm wondering something else, too maybe you can shed some light: That discussion laughter and enigma and I were having the other day about love and hate...Do you get what I'm wondering about in that regard? Hugs, bro.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2013 16:57:21 GMT -5
Looking for what you deem to be sensible is what keeps you in your comfort zone. If you want to experience the 'I AM'your imagined sensibility isn't going to help you much in the face of the unknown... Ok. Give me some practical everyday example of how the way you see things is different from how you imagine mine is. The practical lives and breathes, whether you care to acknowledge that or no, in everyone's everyday lives. I'm wondering something else, too maybe you can shed some light: That discussion laughter and enigma and I were having the other day about love and hate...Do you get what I'm wondering about in that regard? Hugs, bro. Our lives are unique, but not in the way we've been conditioned to fear and avoid the unknown. It's an instinctual survival mechanism we all utilize to protect who we think we are, re: I AM the body, I AM silver, etc etc. Sorry I wasn't following your Love/Hate discussion so I can only say that the cause of Everything is Love, although it may appear in the mind as hate. |
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Post by silver on Jun 10, 2013 17:07:27 GMT -5
Ok. Give me some practical everyday example of how the way you see things is different from how you imagine mine is. The practical lives and breathes, whether you care to acknowledge that or no, in everyone's everyday lives. I'm wondering something else, too maybe you can shed some light: That discussion laughter and enigma and I were having the other day about love and hate...Do you get what I'm wondering about in that regard? Hugs, bro. Our lives are unique, but not in the way we've been conditioned to fear and avoid the unknown. It's an instinctual survival mechanism we all utilize to protect who we think we are, re: I AM the body, I AM silver, etc etc. Sorry I wasn't following your Love/Hate discussion so I can only say that the cause of Everything is Love, although it may appear in the mind as hate. I'm not able to see that what Tzu says is a reflection of conditioned fear/avoidance, tbh... Emotions morph too much to really label - and yet we do.....love morphs into all the other ones and back again - rinse & repeat. |
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Post by Beingist on Jun 10, 2013 17:10:19 GMT -5
Our lives are unique, but not in the way we've been conditioned to fear and avoid the unknown. It's an instinctual survival mechanism we all utilize to protect who we think we are, re: I AM the body, I AM silver, etc etc. Sorry I wasn't following your Love/Hate discussion so I can only say that the cause of Everything is Love, although it may appear in the mind as hate. I'm not able to see that what Tzu says is a reflection of conditioned fear/avoidance, tbh... Emotions morph too much to really label - and yet we do.....love morphs into all the other ones and back again - rinse & repeat. Love isn't an emotion--at least not the Love trf is talking about. |
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Post by tzujanli on Jun 10, 2013 17:12:13 GMT -5
Greetings.. Ok. Give me some practical everyday example of how the way you see things is different from how you imagine mine is. The practical lives and breathes, whether you care to acknowledge that or no, in everyone's everyday lives. I'm wondering something else, too maybe you can shed some light: That discussion laughter and enigma and I were having the other day about love and hate...Do you get what I'm wondering about in that regard? Hugs, bro. Our lives are unique, but not in the way we've been conditioned to fear and avoid the unknown. It's an instinctual survival mechanism we all utilize to protect who we think we are, re: I AM the body, I AM silver, etc etc. Sorry I wasn't following your Love/Hate discussion so I can only say that the cause of Everything is Love, although it may appear in the mind as hate.So.. if i'm beating you, and telling you that the pain you feel only 'appears as pain in your mind', you'll understand, right? you'll be okay with that Love, right? The reason it doesn't make sense, is it simply doesn't make sense.. it sounds cool to somebody, but no, it's how some people justify really inhumane deeds.. Be well.. |
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Post by silver on Jun 10, 2013 17:14:25 GMT -5
I'm not able to see that what Tzu says is a reflection of conditioned fear/avoidance, tbh... Emotions morph too much to really label - and yet we do.....love morphs into all the other ones and back again - rinse & repeat. Love isn't an emotion--at least not the Love trf is talking about. That 'Love' is 'out there' - it's a concept - I suppose you'd call it ineffable (??) - unprovable. Not that I don't understand the concept of Love you're pointing at...and the sentiments behind it - what it symbolizes. How could it not be an emotion? It's the only way you (or anybody) can understand it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2013 17:40:02 GMT -5
Greetings.. Our lives are unique, but not in the way we've been conditioned to fear and avoid the unknown. It's an instinctual survival mechanism we all utilize to protect who we think we are, re: I AM the body, I AM silver, etc etc. Sorry I wasn't following your Love/Hate discussion so I can only say that the cause of Everything is Love, although it may appear in the mind as hate.So.. if i'm beating you, and telling you that the pain you feel only 'appears as pain in your mind', you'll understand, right? you'll be okay with that Love, right? The reason it doesn't make sense, is it simply doesn't make sense.. it sounds cool to somebody, but no, it's how some people justify really inhumane deeds.. Be well.. You can imagine any scenario you want to justify your need to protect your specialness from that which you fear. Like I told Silver, sensibility is an imagined protection mechanism, so it's not actually a shield against the unknown. Funny part is no such shield is needed against our greatest fear, just some courage. |
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