DMT The spirit molecule.

[michaelsees]

DMT is very amazing. It's really the only drug I know that has the ability to push you into the void and because it only lasts for a few mins maybe 15 at most it's very safe. However there is a lot more to DMT. We find it everywhere plants, animals etc.

Some of you may have seen a new movie called " Enter the void" it's a real movie not a documentary but it's really good showing just one of the several reactions to DMT.
There is a wonderful DVD I just watched DMT The spirit Molecule

thespiritmolecule.com/html/

Now many members will instantly have issues with any kind of drug and that's fine but there will be folks here that are explorers.
I can tell you 1st hand there is something about DMT that no other drug has. One word of caution if you have a history of any kind of mental illness, OCD,depression, bipolar etc do not try DMT.
Also if you have any kind of heart problems or acute medical conditions you should avoid DMT.

For the rest of us your choice. I will leave you with this. Some of the states I have been to by going naturally within are identical to what DMT gives you the only difference is with DMT you go through these states in a much faster speed and far deeper. It's like if your in the ocean and you wish to go down 100ft and you have a few pounds in your weight belt you will slowly get there but if you have a hundred pound weight you go right to the bottom fast.

Please go to the website above and watch the trailer to the movie and read a bit before you respond to this post

Thanks
Michael






thespiritmolecule.com/

[frankshank]

In the olden days I'd have been really tempted to try this but from my own experience of drug use (legal highs were the worst believe it or not) and knowing others who have perhaps overdone things it can be a very risky business. Brain damage is no laughing matter. Think twice but it's your life and you may get away scot free. If you don't though, good luck!

[michaelsees]

Frankshank,

DMT is perfectly safe as long as you have real DMT and no mental or serious medical conditions.
It's amazing how safe this drug is. Compared to aspirin which causes believe or not 1000's of deaths every year DMT has never caused a single death.
Michael

[frankshank]

I think comparing DMT to aspirin is a diversion. Maybe there have been no deaths but it's a stretch to state that it's safe. It's a Class A drug in the UK. There are lots of potential side effects:

- DMT takes hold very quickly and users often burn themselves if the pipe isn't taken from them.
- It's not uncommon for those who take large amounts of DMT to suffer psychological and emotional difficulties for weeks afterwards.
- The smoke of DMT can cause throat and lung irritation.
- Integration of the trip into daily life can cause anxiety, difficulty focusing on daily tasks, preoccupation with the experience, and insomnia.
- 5-Meo-DMT can induce sweating, nausea, disturbed vision and panic attacks.

I only had a quick look online and found plenty of evidence that people have had bad experiences:

"I had a friend once who after experimenting with this drug ended up in a psych ward and eventually jumping off a bridge. who knows what other factors were involved there. "

From my experience people who take a knock as a result of doing trips dont seem to quite get how it's affected them. If you take the right stuff, the right amount and are in a good medical condition with no mental health issues the risk of a bad trip is greatly reduced I imagine. But with something that's this strong I'd be amazed if there wasn't a cumulative negative impact on the brain, no matter how subtle.

[mamza]

Of all the things out there, I think DMT is one of the few that I'm very tempted to try. Believe it or not, it actually is a fairly safe thing to do so long as you don't have any conditions it may excite, just like Michael said. The thing about something that lasts about 15 minutes, though, is that it can be very uncomfortable.

For example, I've tried Salvia before, which also lasts only 15 - 30 minutes long and it was hands down the most frightening experience of my life. It was also one of the most incredible experiences of my life. The thing about short-lasting psychoactive drugs is that they peak incredibly fast, leaving you little to no time to prepare yourself for it. Many drugs have a sort of gradual rise, a peak, and a decline to them, but drugs like DMT or Salvia just drop you off the deep end and spit you back out.

Incredibly frightening for the inexperienced, but after it's all said and done I feel grateful for the fact that I tried something of the nature.

[michaelsees]

Hi Mamza,
You are correct DMT is very very safe and the comparison to aspirin was not meant as a diversion it's a fact. Here's what Frankshank and others do not know because if you begin reading on the net you will get ton's of bad, false information. Pure DMT is completely safe to use with the conditions I already gave here. The trip is never a bad trip it can be uncomfortable to anyone that has never experience psychoactive drug before but it's very unlike Salvia. I have done salvia before the experience itself was horrible but it was my own fault not the salvia. What happen is when I first tied salvia I only had a small experience. It reacts so fast I never had time to refill and smoke again. But you should start a using it just dried and build up which I didn't I order a few salvia joints but were 10x standardized extract. So smoking one would be like 10 normal ones well I was able to smoke one in less than 30 seconds and when it hit I felt like the people in Matrix that sat in that chair and molten metal began covering them for some reason everything felt like steel the floor was steel and all I could do was to hang on.
In the next few mins the experience was gone but the shirt I had on was so wet you could ring out the sweat and my hair was soaked. But then after that I felt amazing like a totally purging went through my whole body and things that were problems in my life were gone.

Back to the DMT when you read about all these bad things associated with DMT use it's not DMT.
It's nn-DMT, along with 5-MeO-DMT both of these have very different molecules and you will for sure get a very different and uncomfortable experience. The reason why this is has to do with the way people in the drug community extract the DMT to sell.

Extraction is really fairly simple but a lot of people making it cut corners, don't know anything about chemistry, have no idea about separation so they just sell something that has a little DMT in it along with a lot of other stuff. The only way to be sure you have pure dmt is to make it yourself.

Michael

[enigma]

I don't have an issue with it or know anything about it, but is it useful to chase after mind states? Are we thinking this leads to enlightenment or sumthin? Mind always wants a better state. Seems to me this is the problem rather than a solution.

[mamza]

You're right, it can be very easy to get sucked into that sort of thing. I myself feel like I went overboard with it all, and I honestly haven't even tried it that much--but what I can say is that if I had never tried it in the first place, I wouldn't have become interested in spirituality. It's the kind of thing that you have to put down as soon as you get the message, but it's all so jumbled up that your mind tricks you into thinking there's something hidden inside the drug that only the drug can elicit in the user. Obviously this is not true, but it sure seems that way when you do it (for me anyway).

If you're using these things as your only method of getting where you're trying to go you'll probably run into a few problems that can be quite difficult to overcome. I sometimes feel that I'm a thought process of an actual trip that I took in my 'real life'. Sort of like I'm stuck in a trip. Problematic for me on the level of fear, but if it weren't for that fear I don't think I'd be inclined to make the most of it.

[michaelsees]

Well both of you have some valid points but it all depends how you use it and how good you are staying still and centered. As you correctly say for most people it get's all jumbled.
For some odd reason I never had this problem with any of the psycho drugs. I was always ale to keep my center and be s witness to everything that was happening if anything I was more center using DMT than not but it does take experience I am a 1960's early 70"s guy. I cannot even begin to count how man LSD ans mescaline trips I have been on all this helps immensely when you can stay centered. For example breathing in air feels exactly like soothing warm honey one od the very best things to do if you ever indulge is to do deep breathing. All the states you read in the yoga sutras are quick obtainable if you can center and focus.


But as you say this will only get you so far and can be addicting. I stopped sometime ago but I am very glad that I used before. What happens is you make signposts for your own journey to the absolute.
It certainly is not for everyone.
Michael

[mamza]

What happens is you make signposts for your own journey to the absolute.

You know, I never thought of it this way, but that makes complete sense to me in a strange kind of way. It's almost like I traveled to the future to key moments so that as soon as I hit them under 'normal circumstances' I would stop and think to myself, "wait a minute......."

[michaelsees]

Exactly as long as you can center you will see and feel the exact same thing only now you know you are making progress. The other thing is once you transcend the state normally you will never go there again with DMT or anything. This is not talked about much because most people have a aversion to using any kind of drugs but what I wrote is 100% accurate.

Do you remember what happen with Ram Das and his guru. He gave his guru something like 500mg of pure LSD. The guru liked to joke around he put a blanket over his head and when Ram Das took off the blanket he acted like he was completely insane you could imagine what was going through Ram Das head and just when he was to believe it's all my fault the guru became completely straight in fact the LSD had no effect on him he had transcended those levels.

Michael
Michael

[enigma]

I'm talking out of school here because I have no personal experience with these drugs at all. I also don't have any aversion or moral conviction about it. I can guess that it's useful to explore because it's happening, but lots of stuff is useful to explore until it isn't. I guess my point is about a lack of interest in it in the same way that there's a lack of interest in astral travel and NDE's and OBE's and ascension into the 5th dimension. To me it's about dropping ALL the baggage and cancelling the 'trip'.

[michaelsees]

You forgot John Lilly who took mega doses of ketamine in a flotation tank talking to aliens!
The reason why these people had little progress is two fold one being not able to use the drugs property and two they got addicted to the states. It is possible to explore states and not become addicted I know cuz I done it. Also Enigma is correct the journey requires dropping and letting go of everything much like a rebirth but much before this comes there are states you need to go through as far as I know there is no short cuts with this but there may be a few exceptions like Ramana each state you drop the mind/body connection for that state when you get to the 4th state of mind you drop what is left and no you are ready for the absolute.

Michael

Nov 30, 2010 19:35:26 GMT -5 @cabinintheforest said:

michaelsees you make some interesting posts. But personally speaking i am very opposed to drugs.

Have you read any of these books?

Obviously you have read this one:

DMT: The Spirit Molecule: A Doctor's Revolutionary Research into the Biology of Near-Death and Mystical Experiences by Rick Strassman

what about?

Your Brain is God by Timothy Leary

Quantum Psychology: How Brain Software Programs You and Your World by Robert Anton Wilson

The work of Aldous Huxley etc

All these men took drugs but it did not bring them closer to God, infact it took them in the complete opposite direction.

[klaus]

michaelsees,

I'll come right out and say it.
It's just stupidity bringing psychoactives into discussion here.
They do nothing except as enigma says add more baggage and who needs that.

[michaelsees]

Klaus,
your welcome to your belief but just know that is all it is a belief.
When you expeience for yourself that it did not add any baggie but was a good help in dropping everything it is not a belief any longer it's a realized fact for yourself.

This country is the most igorgant and stupid country in the world the US. The people are dumd, they are like the people who believed the mock moving reffer madness was real.

You have no idea how many spiritual people masters etc use psycho active materials.
Even to think about it your mind dismisses it because ot it's programming.
Everything and I mean everything up to the final realization happens in the mind and brain.
If you adjust the brain it adjusts the mind. You would be a fool to think all you do is step out of the mine and get final realization I wish it was that easy but it's very far from it.

michael