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Post by klaus on Dec 1, 2010 22:44:38 GMT -5
michaelsees,
Can you clarify your first paragraph; what exactly are you saying?
DMT does absolutely nothing except give you a different view of conditional reality. It still is a conditional reality no more or less than any other conditional reality, and that's why I say it's only more baggage.
No, I have no idea how many spiritual masters use psycho active materials and I don't care.
I dismiss it because it is still a product of mind.
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Post by michaelsees on Dec 1, 2010 22:57:08 GMT -5
Hi Klaus
Yes of course it's of the mind and yes it's conditional reality. However to truly awaken you have to go through conditional reality. My point is if you know how to use DMT it can be like a rocket through conditional reality but most people cannot do this. They get all jumbled up and just see a bunch of colors and shapes. The idea is to transcend these colors and shapes and have you focus on the stillness you will find such stillness beyond anything you had before. Used in this way you will penetrate the mind barrier and begin to enter the void.
But your correct for most it would be extra baggie
Michael
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Post by klaus on Dec 2, 2010 17:29:18 GMT -5
michaelsees,
There is no void.
You can't get from here to there.
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Post by enigma on Dec 2, 2010 20:44:23 GMT -5
michaelsees, There is no void. You can't get from here to there. Well, yeah, there's no void that one needs to enter or go through, not to mention the fact that a void with you in it isn't a void. Hehe. The void is mind's existential fear.
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Post by michaelsees on Dec 2, 2010 23:36:51 GMT -5
Yes there certainly is it's only that you have not had the experience and your belief so far with the words you use convince you that it's nothing is there. I assure you it is there and I also assure you if you ever get a chance in this lifetime to even step one foot in the void you will never again believe that there is no void. Using clever words to prove yo yourself it does not exist makes you your own worst enemy in waking up actually this is what has happened to 99% of the people that think they know what is
It's fine to agree to disagree with me or I with you that in itself is also part of the progress. When it happens all I can say be ready to loose your mind it's not what you think it is.
Michael
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Post by klaus on Dec 3, 2010 2:12:39 GMT -5
michael,
the room disappeared, then the body disappeared, then mind disappeared, just consciousness remained, and in that consciousness appeared a sign,
PROHIBITED WHERE VOID
michael, you assume I've had no experience with DMT, well you would be wrong.
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Post by enigma on Dec 3, 2010 2:23:10 GMT -5
Yes there certainly is it's only that you have not had the experience and your belief so far with the words you use convince you that it's nothing is there. I assure you it is there and I also assure you if you ever get a chance in this lifetime to even step one foot in the void you will never again believe that there is no void. Using clever words to prove yo yourself it does not exist makes you your own worst enemy in waking up actually this is what has happened to 99% of the people that think they know what is It's fine to agree to disagree with me or I with you that in itself is also part of the progress. When it happens all I can say be ready to loose your mind it's not what you think it is. Michael When i described my experience of the void, you were certain I 'got it'. Now that I disagree as to what the void actually is, you're certain I know nothing about it. I have no doubt you've experienced it, but I don't think that you've figured out that it's another mind game.
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Post by karen on Dec 3, 2010 11:49:54 GMT -5
Mind game or no, I'd try DMT if I had some. Since it's illegal in the USA and I haven't the foggiest where to get some, I doubt I'd get a chance.
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