TOLLE

[milan3]

LET SOMEONE TELL WHAT IS SO PHANTASTIC ABT THIS GUY??? IN MY OPINION ... HE IS A .............................

[Tihoi]

I believed that this would be a site that I would discover other devotees to path higher conciousness, But if you cannot see the truth in the teachings of eckhart Tolle then this site only serves to persercute these enlighten teachers. You must allow yourself to be taught or you never transform and you never grow this is the mistake of all man who insist on closing their hearts. I wish you well my friend!

[mrsnacks]

Jan 2, 2009 15:22:38 GMT -5 milan3 said:

LET SOMEONE TELL WHAT IS SO PHANTASTIC ABT THIS GUY??? IN MY OPINION ... HE IS A .............................

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He is a child of God as we all are. That is fantastic. Tell us what is so fantastic about you ? We are all listening.

[goldenserenity]

He's a gentle soul and one that cares about us as beings. I see that he only wishes to assist us in our growth any way he can.

It's so easy to judge by the cover. Why not peek inside and see what he's all about?

[The Uncreated]

Feb 8, 2009 19:50:49 GMT -5 goldenserenity said:

It's so easy to judge by the cover.

Indeed, and we tend to do it through our own narrow framework that generally involves those qualities we commonly (and perhaps mistakingly) believe the awakened possesses. Those qualities invariably involve the comforting and pleasing aspects of the human personality. Why is this?

One should bear in mind that the void does exhibit choice. It cannot be pinned down to any one or a set of merely desirable human characteristics -- it spontaneously manifests in any and all forms as it deems necessary to assist those still in slumber. It can appear equally in the Saddam Husseins and Hitlers of the world as much as it can in the Mother Teresas, Jesuses and Gautama Buddhas.

The void can roll in and decimate tens of thousands in a great crush of a tidal wave or it can be the benign springtime rain that allows fields of vegetables to bloom forth. It is equal parts compassion and cruelty -- or neither.

Nobody can tell through any behavioral pattern whether a person has awakened or not, depsite their insistence. The four dimensional void cannot translate into the language of three dimensional spacetime without exponential amounts of detail going up in smoke.

Kindness, compassion and wisdom mean little in the end, for the fool could be just as enlightened as the philosopher; the criminal as elevated as a christ. Everyone is a potential prophet regardless of his or her alignment.

You may have heard this before, but the bottom line is it's your awakening that's the only positive proof of the nature of all human characteristics, including awakening.

So the answer to the question of who Tolle is, is "nobody special." Don't get caught up in the image and miss the message.

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[stardustpilgrim]

milan3, on what basis do you judge Tolle? Books, CD's DVD's? Have you at least read the beginning of The Power of Now? (Where he describes his initial experience). I think Tolle has tried to "reverse engineer" a path, not having gone through any type of 'traditional' path. (His initial experience seems to be similar to that of Robert Pirsig, described in his book Zen-a-t-ArtofMM, who was not so lucky as to be able to sleep on park benches, but was placed in a mental hospital and given Electro-shock-treatment).

Would you care to share who you do like?
sdp

[robertw7]

<<<He's a gentle soul and one that cares about us as beings. >>>>
Golden serenity...is not your soul also gentle?. DO you not care about others as beings?. Brothers and Sisters in consciousness, read this and understand: were it not for the divinity within you , the divinity in another would remain a mystery to you. That you have seen it in another should prompt you to inquire within. Meanwhile, our brother ( Milan3) that started this discussion may be a bit off center and thus his initial statement is less than productive, but its your compassion that he needs. What else could we feel for this one who is blind to the eternal presence that lives and breathes him?. Namaskar

[enlightenment seeker]

I find it very amazing that Eckhart's teaching is echoed by the Work of Byron Katie. They both point to the same old truth and the same source of enlightenment, which is in the Now (some people call it God Katie gives more practical hands-on advice: in fact, it is the simplest system of questioning your mind and eventually shutting all the thoughts (mostly untrue) down. I believe Eckhart's books and teaching as a whole is a theoretical foundation developed further (in parallel rather) by Byron Katie that gives you techniques on how can you attain true Heaven on Earth without being polluted by you mind's work. It's truly amazing, I use them both for private counseling that helps many people.
www.yourspcounseling.com

[Matty]

It seems the posts here took offense to what the initial post said. But he didn't say anything! He said "in my opinion Tolle is a . . ." and the rest of the posts assumed that ". . ." meant something negative.

Interesting.

Maybe . . . just means "inexpressible." Or "amazing". We don't know.

The other judgments made of this short comment were also interesting. That the person had a "closed heart" and so forth. My goodness, people. Open your eyes. The statement told you so very little about the poster. So little, and yet your defensiveness of Tolle led you to make some rash judgments that I see no support for.

It is quite easy to accuse others of a "closed heart" but it might be more productive to look at oneself.

[sugarfields]

Consciousness and being always aware of how we are is very important. Defensiveness is a quality which we all need to observe in ourselves.
I would like to agree with the person who posted just before me on here. A lot of assumptions were made. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

[lightmystic]

Hehe, well anything's possible, but saying "what is fantastic about this guy?" implies that he either does not think the guy is fantastic or at least doesn't understand why others do... (meaning he does not relate to that opinion in some way).

And then, to follow up with, "in my opinion, he is a..." suggests something contrasting to the idea of "fantastic", implying something negative usually, as fantastic is a positive term.

There is little doubt that something contrasting the word "fantastic" is implied (like "not fantastic"), even though you are right that nothing was explicitly stated.

Nov 8, 2009 7:54:04 GMT -5 @Matty said:

It seems the posts here took offense to what the initial post said. But he didn't say anything! He said "in my opinion Tolle is a . . ." and the rest of the posts assumed that ". . ." meant something negative.

Interesting.

Maybe . . . just means "inexpressible." Or "amazing". We don't know.

The other judgments made of this short comment were also interesting. That the person had a "closed heart" and so forth. My goodness, people. Open your eyes. The statement told you so very little about the poster. So little, and yet your defensiveness of Tolle led you to make some rash judgments that I see no support for.

It is quite easy to accuse others of a "closed heart" but it might be more productive to look at oneself.

[serenity]

Maybe the OP had nothing but good intentions. It matters not.

The responses say more about the "repliers" than about the OP or Tolle.

I luv it all.
Note to self:- See what we've been missing!

Good to be back.

Serenity

[jimmytantric]

Does it matter, if He is a fraud or genuine ( or any teacher). What matters is ourselves. Lets not get caught up into the subject-object game the mind loves to play. You want a great teacher with no chance of being misled- Theyr'e called Trees sit back up against one- hug them etc they have much wisdom to impart and agape LOVE. Peace-OM

[serenity]

I’m also grateful to “Trees” for the handy soft little squares they allow themselves to be turned into.
It sure beats dried leaves or nettles when frequenting the Khazi (Dunny, Privy, Loo, Lavvy or what ever you call it).

3 Cheers (and / or Hugs) for Trees.

Best
Serenity

[lightmystic]

Hey Serenity,

Nice to have you back on the forum.

2207]Maybe the OP had nothing but good intentions. It matters not.

The responses say more about the "repliers" than about the OP or Tolle.

I luv it all.
Note to self:- See what we've been missing!

Good to be back.

Serenity[/quote]