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Post by lightmystic on Sept 22, 2008 16:55:44 GMT -5
This thread is for anyone, Enlightened or not, who wants to post a spiritual experience. The aim of this thread is share experiences back and forth, openly exploring the nature of people's experience to find more and more of who/what we are.
This means that all people, Enlightened or not, are asked to approach this thread with an open mind that their experience can grow and is growing. Those that have full understanding may well be beyond time and space, but IF there's a relative existence (and for me that's a big IF), there's still an individual, even if the relationship to the individual is completely different. Thus, we can promote the growth of our individual selves for even deeper understanding no matter where we feel ourselves to be. I can go first. I will post my experience on a reply to this message.
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Post by lightmystic on Sept 22, 2008 17:10:26 GMT -5
My experience right now is of Nothing. Deep, Soft, Dark, Comfortable, Nothingness. It's completely beyond relativity, including time/space. It's full, complete. All "it" (although it's intimate, so maybe it's more of a "me" than an it, but it's not a person really) wants to do is to be, and express. The Being is happening, and the expression comes out as all of Creation. There is still an individual, but the individual, as part of a separate reality, is secondary. Within this sphere of Creation, I can see and feel all levels, much in the way I would perhaps feel my own physical body. I can feel all levels and planes of existence as part of the Creator, my Cosmic form. This cosmic form is not me the individual, but God perhaps, but there is complete Union with God so that there can be said to be no difference. All of relative existence is perceived as an illusory, but life-like expression of the infinite wholeness underneath. And, again, that infinite wholeness is primary. Thus, there is the Cosmic Being that I am experiencing being, and there is the individual form. This is all contained within Me. The Nothingness.
Somehow, there is an, as if, going back to play the role as an individual character, but only because that is my desire. It's now clearly a role and does not change anything about the experience in the paragraph above really. They are going on simultaneously, because that Nothingness is expressing itself as apparently everything.
Everything that was "solid" before is now experienced as a process. Seemingly solid objects are simply processes, fluctuations of the Infinite Ocean that simply have a tendency in that place to appear individualized. Then the clarity of these processes took place to understand that these processes are little people playing out the roles of all of these apparent relative things. They are little gods and goddesses arranging for all of life to flow seamlessly. Again, this is all within the context of the initial paragraph. These are all relative descriptions, which are just fluctuating process appearance tendencies. There is ever more as the clarity of the mechanics of Creation are unfolding and the individual is going through changes as well. I am happy and content, though, resting in Nothing as Nothing, even when the individual is going through the full range of emotions. It's great. It's all part of it.
Questions and poking are always welcome. I enjoy the opportunity to poke the infinite as more always comes out of it. And, of course, that will be true forever - because it's infinite.
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Post by Peter on Sept 24, 2008 7:21:35 GMT -5
Thanks for taking the time to do that, LightMystic - most interesting.
I started writing down an experience I had, which is more about something I went through and came out the other side of - compared to your expression of continuing experience above. But it's taking some time and I think will run to a few pages, so I'll probably post it on my own website and link back here to it.
Take care, P
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Post by lightmystic on Sept 24, 2008 9:38:44 GMT -5
That sounds good peter. I would enjoy reading it.
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Post by Peter on Sept 26, 2008 8:34:22 GMT -5
Hmm. That's very optimistic or possible precognitiant of you, LightMystic. Personally I'm finding writing it somewhat challenging and an exercise in honesty and humility. Experiencing anything other than consensual reality while walking around is what the medical profession defines as psychosis.
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Post by someNOTHING! on Sept 26, 2008 9:14:07 GMT -5
(Continued from other thread on Simplifying....sorry, had taken the time to babble, and then realized it belonged here. The numbers (#) refer to model in other thread.)
I myself was thoroughly immersed in stage #3 focused on #1, or whatever my conception of it was, and the whole rest of the search, before finally Realizing. That took about 3 years. It was not pretty, my friends. I had such a Mayanese Monkey Mind and so much crap and Catholic guilt to sort through...whew!! Strangely, I'd do it all over again if I could. SO ALIVE when you get down and get to the business of WAKING UP!!
However, due to my location in the mountains living a clean simple life, as full Realization happened, I was able to stay quite rooted in #2 and "dipping into" #1 while still carrying out basic tasks (#3) for a few weeks. Brilliant really. Living alone in a mud-rock house in the middle of a bean field with no electricity and no running water leaves plenty to do....and then there were the 11 varieties of spiders throughout the house and vicinity that I just could not get enough of observing. Wow, I must have looked like a freak just scoping them out and staring,,,hell, even playing guitar to them! haha Oh yea, and having understood finally, reading anything was fun, because I could see to what level of development the writer was speaking from; furthermore, finally being able to understand exactly what the hell all those greats had been on about was pretty cool too!
At this time the siddhis became more apparent, as did all the other fun ornaments. But those had to be dropped too. After leaving, having had no formal training, nor any real defined path, it took me about 10 years to sort it out and get my head around it...in other words, learn more about letting go, but no longer seeking. Whether or not this could have been done "better", I didn't/don't really care, nor should anyone else. That's the little bugger getting in trying to play! haha Sometimes you have a choice and take it, other times you don't and you just let it. It's All Good.
I gotta get back to the drama here! wahoooo! One more day of meetings and debriefings, then it's time for a weekend day of hiking. I plan to take some lunch and some nice literature of this lovely topic and while away a few hours under a pine leaning on a rock, staring out across the valley, drifting in eternity.
(I think this does a weak job of describing...I'mmore of a face-to-face kind of person. Oh well!)
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Post by lightmystic on Sept 26, 2008 9:51:43 GMT -5
I take no credit for being precognitive or even optimistic. It doesn't matter how "good" or "bad" it comes out. For it to come out good, bad, or mediocre are not really possibilities for me. I enjoy the process. The fact that you're actually trying to express your experience shows a beginning of acceptance of it. Full acceptance means living that experience all the time, completely integrated, and then on to the next one. Anything we call an experience that seems different than day to day life means it still has something to tell us, and the talking about it really helps clarify what that message is. In other words, whatever comes out will be awesome and I am looking forward to it. Hmm. That's very optimistic or possible precognitiant of you, LightMystic. Personally I'm finding writing it somewhat challenging and an exercise in honesty and humility. Experiencing anything other than consensual reality while walking around is what the medical profession defines as psychosis.
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Post by lightmystic on Sept 26, 2008 10:09:08 GMT -5
Very enjoyable description, although it's true that you only touched on the beginning of it. I definately look forward to more if you would enjoy posting it. It's also interesting that your model is kind of a nice progression because, on some level, "I am Enlightened" is another, possibly more complicated, egoic role unless it's understood to just symbolize that the person knows they are #1. Thus, the "Enlightened person" is #1, and any other definition other than that is another additional "thing", not an absence of thing. When you get into "I am an Enlightened Teacher" then the complication expands even more, even more relative and divisive. Now don't get me wrong, I love talking about this, helping myself, and others because I get a lot out of it. Having a "teacher persona" (as in, "I" am helping "you" get "this" because I have it and you don't) is, of course, laughable. The discussing simply makes me happy for some reason. My personality has always been like that though, so no reason that should change. That said, it's still a relative role that has nothing to do with Enlightenment as such. I enjoyed talking about it before, and I enjoy talking about it after. Thus, it is true that #4 and #5 are more complicated concepts that move away from duality, but it's clear that you are using them as a placeholder for #1 and just looking at the expression of that. Still, the model holds very well I think. Also, #4 is the accepting of being only #1 while experiencing all levels of creation. So, in a relative sense, there is more relativity and "differences" than ever before, just in the context of the understanding that complete wholeness is the only thing that's every happened and ever will happen. Well, that was a bit of a long rant, but I'm fascinated by this stuff. (Continued from other thread on Simplifying.... (I think this does a weak job of describing...I'mmore of a face-to-face kind of person. Oh well!)
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Post by Anonymous on Sept 27, 2008 9:09:53 GMT -5
When I speak of myself, I bear witness to a lie.
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Post by lightmystic on Sept 27, 2008 12:20:53 GMT -5
When I speak of myself, I bear witness to a lie. Yeah, there's no relativity and all that...Except there is of course, it's just that there's only one thing, and that gives rise to it all, and so it's not really relative, but merely an appearance of relative based on projection, etc. etc.. Do you see what I'm saying? Look beyond the concepts. Referring to the self is true on one level. Everything that was there before is there now, it's just the relationship that's different. No-Self can very easily become just another concept. The relationship is 100% completely different, but it's still the same "thing." On the level that there's an individual, there really is - on that level. More fundamentally, there is no individual, but there never was, so no difference there. Call the projection a lie of you like but it's not a lie, it's just a projection. It's like looking at an ink and paper drawing and saying "that isn't real!" Well, it's really an ink and paper drawing, and if you went up to it and said, "that picture of a boy is not a real boy!" People might worry about you. Of course it isn't a real boy. But it really is an image of a boy. It's kind of like the family guy episode where Mayor West sends out the police to save the fictional character from Romancing the Stone, after watching get into trouble in the movie. Most people live their lives worrying about their projections.
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Post by Portto on Oct 7, 2009 12:09:28 GMT -5
Everything that was "solid" before is now experienced as a process. Seemingly solid objects are simply processes, fluctuations of the Infinite Ocean that simply have a tendency in that place to appear individualized. How do you experience your physical body? I find that our physical bodies (and other objects around) change as much as our thoughts, and there is an apparent act of volition associated with this - although I can't pinpoint the source. Bodies and objects are as volatile as thoughts, even though they appear more stable. Objects and thoughts are made of the same material - they just have a different "density/speed." It's still not clear to me why they are manifested, but there is a feeling that they are wished into existence - I just don't know by "who."
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Post by lightmystic on Oct 8, 2009 9:54:56 GMT -5
I experience the physical body kind of like a blanket. It protects and keeps warm. It supports and provides interaction (which isn't really like a blanket ) with that same comfort and feeling of blanketness. It feels like the physical body is eternal on it's universal level, which is primary, so it really doesn't ultimately matter whether it comes and goes, although the fact that it works well and always serves brings deep gratitude. Movement feels like an expression, an overflow, of the freedom everywhere... I'lll keep it for a little while.... It also feels like the entire Creation, but not moreso than anything else being perceived, though it expresses itself more through my body for some reason - most likely because my attention is there more often to see it than, say, a rock. How do you experience your physical body? I find that our physical bodies (and other objects around) change as much as our thoughts, and there is an apparent act of volition associated with this - although I can't pinpoint the source. Bodies and objects are as volatile as thoughts, even though they appear more stable. Objects and thoughts are made of the same material - they just have a different "density/speed." It's still not clear to me why they are manifested, but there is a feeling that they are wished into existence - I just don't know by "who."
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Post by zendancer on Oct 8, 2009 11:23:23 GMT -5
Porto: I experience a physical body exactly like anybody else. I see it, feel it, smell it (occasionally), hear it (occasionally), and taste it (rarely). When it wants to drink a glass of water, it gets up, goes to the kitchen, pours itself a glass of water, and drinks it. When it wants to pee, it pees. There is nothing special about it.
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Post by Portto on Oct 8, 2009 16:37:57 GMT -5
Porto: I experience a physical body exactly like anybody else. I see it, feel it, smell it (occasionally), hear it (occasionally), and taste it (rarely). When it wants to drink a glass of water, it gets up, goes to the kitchen, pours itself a glass of water, and drinks it. When it wants to pee, it pees. There is nothing special about it. This is the predominant experience for me, too. However, from time to time I do get a faint altered perception.
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Post by alpha on Oct 8, 2009 16:47:33 GMT -5
Porto: I experience a physical body exactly like anybody else. I see it, feel it, smell it (occasionally), hear it (occasionally), and taste it (rarely). When it wants to drink a glass of water, it gets up, goes to the kitchen, pours itself a glass of water, and drinks it. When it wants to pee, it pees. There is nothing special about it. What happens if it wants to do something unacceptable...
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