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Post by michaelsees on Nov 28, 2010 13:22:16 GMT -5
Well Cabin a lot of good advice here. We all care for our members especially if they have a good wit about them as you do. Enigma was spot on when he said if you continue like this the thread will just die off.
I appreciate much your spirit and energy all it needs from my view is a small shift of view.
As far as naming folks it's better to just kill everyone of them. This is received far better than insult as the good books says if you see a Buddha along the road kill him(them)
Peace
Michael
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Post by unveilable on Nov 28, 2010 13:52:35 GMT -5
Cabin: I wish there was something productive I could say here but there really isn't. I get that you are frustrated. What is frustration REALLY?
I know I get frustrated with my boss when he doesn't act in a way I think that he should. Does having the conviction that my boss should act a certain way make anything better at all ever? He does not meet my needs and expectations so I complain or have hateful feelings and sometimes I luxuriate in the idea that I should be the boss because I know a better way of doing things. I might even find these flashy opinions of my boss very exciting and so share them with others.
What is my motive REALLY in sharing these beliefs? Isn't it sinister in some way? Am I creating an in group vs. out group? Am I actively encouraging division? Is the idea that a person or group should be something they are not ever productive? How is it that my mind has these divisive thoughts and feelings even though I consider myself a caring person?
Sometimes I feel bad after having these contemptible thoughts and feelings. I wish I wasn't like that. Sometimes there is a slight feeling that this is not who I really am or meant to be (?). How can I stop these negative states from occurring?
Opinions and beliefs suck because they are divisive, repetitive and dull. I'm not the first person to have thought they could out perform their boss. Its a cliche. To borrow heavily from Jiddu Krishnamurti, Is it possible to actually stop having these negative thoughts and feelings? Or is there an entirely different approach required? An approach that is not repetitive but dynamic?
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Post by klaus on Nov 28, 2010 16:23:18 GMT -5
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Post by enigma on Nov 28, 2010 16:33:41 GMT -5
God is Truth, all is God, God is the only reality, evil is unreal. I agree.
What all that means, is probly where we would disagree, but I think it would be wrong to characterize most on this forum as having no interest in that, and confusing to suggest that they should be more interested in botany than nonduality, which doesn't deny any of the above.
It's all the same Truth looked at through different colored glasses. The mistake would be to say that the world is blue for everybody because you're wearing blue glasses. The best way to approach it would be to remove the glasses and see what it really is without your particular shading. Then you can begin to understand why it looks blue to blue folks and red to red folks and green to greenies.
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Post by unveilable on Nov 28, 2010 18:21:04 GMT -5
I would say that what I believe is dull and divisive.  My clinging to a belief has never brought me lasting peace. I did however hold so tight to a belief that at one point something kind of imploded.  unveilable do you believe you were created by God? You clearly do not, not many people do on this forum. That is why i am a bit disapointed. God is truth to me, yet most people on this forum have no interest in God, they are only interested in themselves. I really do not like darwins theory of evolution it is a lie. You want the truth? We were made in the image and likeness of God, that is the truth. God is the only reality, we must turn to God. Some people have said some of my comments have been extreme, but fact is many spiritual teachers have said exactly the same as me. Look up the work of Joel Goldsmith, he teaches that all is God and evil is unreal. |
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Post by zendancer on Nov 28, 2010 20:26:59 GMT -5
God is Truth, all is God, God is the only reality, evil is unreal. I agree. What all that means, is probly where we would disagree, but I think it would be wrong to characterize most on this forum as having no interest in that, and confusing to suggest that they should be more interested in botany than nonduality, which doesn't deny any of the above. It's all the same Truth looked at through different colored glasses. The mistake would be to say that the world is blue for everybody because you're wearing blue glasses. The best way to approach it would be to remove the glasses and see what it really is without your particular shading. Then you can begin to understand why it looks blue to blue folks and red to red folks and green to greenies. Well said! Excellent advice. |
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Post by enigma on Nov 28, 2010 22:03:40 GMT -5
Well, and that's fine. I know an auto mechanic who has no interest in any form of nonduality. Never a problem.
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Post by m on Nov 29, 2010 4:59:29 GMT -5
I don't know, but I always get that sense when I'm really confused. Hehe. There is hope then, confusion being the gate to learning  m |
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Post by unveilable on Nov 29, 2010 8:08:10 GMT -5
You can seek out a place where everyone agrees with you and if that doesn't work you could get a cabin in the forest but consider the possibility that there is a conflict/war/tension/frustration internally that you might not be able to escape. What is causing that conflict? Please take care. Books on nonduality do nothing for me, studying plants does everything for me. I am happy with botany. I will actually be writing a book about spirituality and plants. The type of nonduality which is discussed on this forum is not for me. But let me just say some of your posts have been interesting. |
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Post by Peter on Nov 29, 2010 11:59:10 GMT -5
My clinging to a belief has never brought me lasting peace. I did however hold so tight to a belief that at one point something kind of imploded. That sounds interesting. Have you written about this experience anywhere I could read? I remember desperately clinging onto a belief while the gap between what was real and what I wanted to be real widened until something flipped and I got this incredible feeling of vertigo like I was falling into the abyss. Made me feel quite nauseous. And then really "knowing" what was true because it was obviously so, rather than because of what's generally accepted/taught/absorbed through osmosis. Cheers, Peter |
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Post by unveilable on Nov 29, 2010 21:34:34 GMT -5
Hi Peter, I described it briefly when I first joined the forum. LM referred to it as the void but I'm still not sure what he was talking about. It basically felt like a large chunk of me was taken away. Since then its become clear that I am much less of a jerk. lol My clinging to a belief has never brought me lasting peace. I did however hold so tight to a belief that at one point something kind of imploded. That sounds interesting. Have you written about this experience anywhere I could read? I remember desperately clinging onto a belief while the gap between what was real and what I wanted to be real widened until something flipped and I got this incredible feeling of vertigo like I was falling into the abyss. Made me feel quite nauseous. And then really "knowing" what was true because it was obviously so, rather than because of what's generally accepted/taught/absorbed through osmosis. Cheers, Peter |
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Post by michaelsees on Nov 30, 2010 0:05:51 GMT -5
The VOID is much more than that. My guess is many people here and on all the nonduality forums speak of the void and understand intellectually only . Though the experience of the void is unique to everyone I assure you if you had the experience it would be very memorable and probably experience more fear that you ever thought possible. I have only had glimpses of this that was all I could handle maybe someday I can take more. I have talked with 3 people who have deeply entered the void and their experiences are not unlike
Bernette Roberts.
Her experience of the void is on this page I think ch.3 or 4 of her book.
www.nonduality.com/berna.htm
It is possible to cheat your own body wisdom and enter the void prematurely however you may go seriously insane or even death.
There needs to be a tolerance built up first. It's just like drugs as far as the tolerance . You can take pain pills Oxys which are strong narcotics at first 1 or 2 will get you going for sure at the end of a couple months you need to take 20 of them for the same effect but here's the rub if you took 20 on day one you would die very quickly unless you threw up.
If you ask me if I have some fear of the void my answer is yes. I don't care if I am illusion or not. The illusion feels try siting in a electric chair with non lethal burst of electrically you get a rough idea of what the edges of the void feels like.You need to be very very advance to completely enter the void any sense of self, body any thought and your bounced back from the edges.
This is not only my opinion but seems to be similar across the board with everyone that takes this journey.
Certain plants also have the ability to get you there but it's by force and not recommend. I could go on and on as this is my favorite subject but nuff said for now
Michael
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Post by enigma on Nov 30, 2010 0:27:57 GMT -5
Hi Peter, I described it briefly when I first joined the forum. LM referred to it as the void but I'm still not sure what he was talking about. It basically felt like a large chunk of me was taken away. Since then its become clear that I am much less of a jerk. lol WOW! You must have REALLY been bad! Hehe. Juuuuust kidding. |
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Post by enigma on Nov 30, 2010 0:44:28 GMT -5
Yes, I resonate with what you say about the void. (I didn't read BR's story). For me, it redefined the notion of hell. This courageous seeker suddenly turned and ran like a terrified little girl and I would have done anything to escape it, so I even understand the potential for insanity. I understand now that it was all a mental fantasy but at the time it couldn't have been more real.
I didn't really feel like I lost "chuncks of me" but from that point on there was a kind of split much like Tolle describes between the thought structure and the one aware of it.
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Post by michaelsees on Nov 30, 2010 0:47:51 GMT -5
Yup you got it
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