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Post by michaelsees on Nov 5, 2010 0:38:48 GMT -5
Listen I am truly trying not to be a jerk or a pain, Now Justinian from your reply i seems you have some fear to take my challenge, my question is how will it hurt you for only 21 days and just 1 book? Is the ego that big not to find out the truth I am dead serious when I tell you it will increase your sales. What I find difficult is your animosity towards me, you know they tell us not to slug your gift horse in the mouth.So what if you have to eat some crow on this one just think what your gaining and you will be fine
As for oneipen no play on your username you made it clear from the start that your a fence sitter when it comes to this kind of spirituality that's why I advised you to use both eyes vs fence sitting for a very long time
lastly is this the Peters question? "Are you giving, or taking by this venture? What are the transactions and how are they balanced?"
The answer is very simple I a sharing with no other motives but to share and he beauty of sharing is everything gets balance perfectly when you share go ahead and try it if you honestly share from a open and giving heart you will quickly see no one gets hurt an all parties benefit. Thats why its called sharing is caring Well have a great night with sharing on your mind
As fa as having lots of hubris that cannot be right for its not with pride I write these posts but from a giving heart sharing the actual truth certainly not blinded peace Michael
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Post by oneiopen on Nov 5, 2010 1:35:05 GMT -5
A fence sitter? LOL! I'm fully commited to the non-dual path and my practice. You still didn't answer Peter--please go back and read---something about why you have two usernames and 147 posts with your old name, and also all those studies supporting your justification. As for the hubris, I stand by that. On this issue you see only what you want to see and call anyone who doesn't agree with you "hard headed", "non-evolved", caught in "the old way of thinking" and basically just narrow-minded. No more back and forth with you, Michael. It is truly a waste of time.
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Post by michaelsees on Nov 5, 2010 2:09:56 GMT -5
Well Joyce I am happy if you are committed as that is what it takes and I am sorry i I assume something that was never there however when a person uses the phrase one eye open at least from my knowledge base it means not fully committed that is what the phrase tells me. Why would a person that is fully committed only use one eye but f you say so then fine
As far as using a different username so what I was h one that made it known and the147posts again so what again these are classic tricks attorneys use when they get trapped they quickly divert the subject to something that has nothing to with the case hand.Anyhow I am finished with this dialogue I will end with Justinia if/he has an balls the will do my challenge and see for their self am correct
peace michael
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Post by oneiopen on Nov 5, 2010 2:17:07 GMT -5
Just for the record---my username, oneiopen, refers to my insomnia. If you had read my intro perhaps you would have realized that.
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Post by Peter on Nov 5, 2010 4:42:39 GMT -5
Randy, by offering a free ebook version Justinan might well experience an increase in hard copy sales. Such is the power of advertising. It worked for Coelho. It didn't work for the author I quoted above. Either way, that's not the point. The book would be Justinan's - not yours - to do with as (s)he pleased. I a sharing with no other motives but to share and he beauty of sharing is everything gets balance perfectly when you share "Gets Balanced"...just like that eh? Like magic. But what exactly is the mechanism for that balancing? The devil is in the details. I'd like to write more about energetic exchange in transactions - hopefully will get that done this morning in another thread. As far as using a different username so what I was h one that made it known Did you? I missed that. Darn, I thought I was being all sharp remembering an email address that I last used over a year and a half ago. ;-) these are classic tricks attorneys use when they get trapped they quickly divert the subject to something that has nothing to with the case hand. Indeed. Another trick that gets used is to respond to the question that is easiest to answer, and ignore the one that is more difficult. Which is what you've just done here. I don't know if you've done much Work Randy, but when you've been called on something and a mirror has been held up to you, it's very important to attempt to answer all of the questions asked. Otherwise your internal predator will make you take the easiest route to self justification. Mirrors are not pleasant, the predator will dodge it any way it can. Do you know The Predator, do you recognise it in yourself?
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Post by michaelsees on Nov 5, 2010 11:56:42 GMT -5
Well Peter and one eye. This type of discussion does not show respect to ZD's board. It should had ended when I posted that I would respect ZD instruction. However I do not have the motivation to go back and see who it was that continued this conversation if it was I then I am sorry. However it takes at least 2 to keep a conversation going. What I do know for is I held to my promise of not placing any links that could be consider a possible copyright infringement.
As far as the word "Predator" goes Peter you truly need to look at yourself. You are a fairly skilled protagonist who seems to live on other folks drama which would not happen if you were nice enough to simply let things just be. Well this is exactly what I will do from this point forward since it's very clear you cannot. I will not respond to anymore posts that pertains to this issue. However if you and 1eye wish to continue on without me then feel free but somehow I do not think it will be much fun for you guys if you cannot drag me into your party. For Just...... I really do hope you take my advice and give it a try.
Peace Michael
p.s. To the 100 or so members that sent me a e-mail about joining m new forum. Do not worry I thank you all and it is progressing. I had a very active some years ago. It was probably one of the most beautiful ones at the time. I had daily youtube interviews,great music.graffcs truly a visual and audio treat. However it was freely hosted and the hosting company closed down and I lost ll my files. my and the forum itself. So now I am looking for a paid hosting as not to happen again. When I find one and get set up yu will be the first to know. Thank you for our continued patience
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Post by ashtavakra on Nov 5, 2010 13:33:16 GMT -5
"Copyright Notice My teaching, if that is the word you want to use, has no copyright. You are free to reproduce, distribute, interpret, misinterpret, distort, garble, do what you like, even claim authorship, without my consent or the permission of anybody. U.G."
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Post by oneiopen on Nov 5, 2010 13:33:46 GMT -5
To those 100 or so people who asked to join Michael's forum----be careful. If you download any illegal copyrighted works, you will be charged with piracy and sued along with the host. It's only a matter of time.
And because I just can't help myself----Michael, you never posted any links to the numerous "study after study" reports that supposedly justify your position.
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Post by oneiopen on Nov 5, 2010 13:49:45 GMT -5
ashtavakra,
I think it's great if authors want to freely share their work ( I can think of several books to which this applies). However, if you open the jacket of any book it will clearly state on one of the first pages if a work is copyrighted or not. If it is, then sharing the author's work, without his or her permission, or the permission of the publisher is not allowed, and no one has the right to do so.
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Post by zendancer on Nov 5, 2010 13:58:31 GMT -5
I have already stated the position of the staff on this matter, but I noticed this morning on Yahoo that a woman who downloaded 24 songs illegally just lost a lawsuit and the judgment against her was for 1.5 million bucks.
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Post by ashtavakra on Nov 5, 2010 14:03:23 GMT -5
Would like to add here...and not in connection with copyright issues....but about these "teachings helping others" !!! these authors writing books are making a living out of it (No offense meant ) what they write is obviously an inference they picked from some truely realised masters. the real ones may never write books...or bother to copy right them. and even if they do....why bother to argue about any knowledge which is second hand and not true to us ....?
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Post by michaelsees on Nov 5, 2010 15:09:34 GMT -5
Some very good points. Realized masters rarely write any books. Osho is a excellent example here.How many books have his name as the author' a hint well over 100! Yet Osho never wrote a single book in his entire life Nor have over 95% of real masters. All the writings come from listening to audio from their talks. So what you read is based on what kind of job the person who has edited the audio. Again it's so easy for the editor to put pieces together to give a very different meaning than the author intent. This type of editing serving a personal bias is done all the time since most of these master/teacher never write books. peace Michael Would like to add here...and not in connection with copyright issues....but about these "teachings helping others" !!! these authors writing books are making a living out of it (No offense meant ) what they write is obviously an inference they picked from some truely realised masters. the real ones may never write books...or bother to copy right them. and even if they do....why bother to argue about any knowledge which is second hand and not true to us ....?
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Post by Peter on Nov 7, 2010 18:17:26 GMT -5
This type of discussion does not show respect to ZD's board. It should had ended when I posted that I would respect ZD instruction. It would have ended (or not even started) for me if you'd agreed with the spirit of what was being fed back to you. However it's quite clear you see ZD's rule as a mere technical limitation you intend to side-step by setting up a board of your own where you'll be free of such constraint. So it seemed necessary to continue the discussion. I'd be very surprised if ZD were to say that he felt I'd disrespected him or this board. As far as the word "Predator" goes Peter you truly need to look at yourself. OMG. Did you just pull a varient of "No I'm not the X, you're the X" on me? We really are ticking the boxes in the "Internet Argument Techniques Spotter's Guide" in this thread, aren't we? The point about The Predator is that we all have one, and it's never more active than when we think we don't. When we're 100% convinced we're correct, acting with the purest of intentions - no sign of self doubt - and others are attacking us due to ignorance and malice. It's the predator that gets defensive and doesn't allow us to consider that The Other might have a valid point. You are a fairly skilled protagonist who seems to live on other folks drama which would not happen if you were nice enough to simply let things just be. Well now, that's quite a serious accusation. What I think was going on when you wrote this was you were feeling somewhat under attack, and rather mechanically attacked back, hmm? However, that doesn't necessarily mean that what you've spotted here isn't also true so it would help me very much if you could reply referencing a couple of posts I've made in the last year that illustrate your point? The last piece of drama I remember was Lord Swami Collins back in November 2008 who said Yahoo was going to prosecute me for hacking his account (I really didn't, honest). You think this thread is drama? THAT was drama. Can't say I really have a sense of "living on it" though. It's just something I got caught up in, like a freeway pile-up. "Nice enough to let things be"...Spiritual/Personal Growth isn't supported by "playing nice", you know that.
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Post by Peter on Nov 7, 2010 18:26:57 GMT -5
I had a very active [forum] some years ago. It was probably one of the most beautiful ones at the time. I had daily youtube interviews,great music.graffcs truly a visual and audio treat. However it was freely hosted and the hosting company closed down and I lost ll my files. my and the forum itself. I checked out your old forum and it's currently got some red text over the top of it that says: It's also featuring an advert that you can't avoid, so that suggested (to me) that the site might have been co-opted as "click bait", but it's still playing the pretty music and the posts that you can see behind the advert feature both your name and LightMystics, so it looks like your files might still be available. The host www.pro-forums.com/ claims to be hosting 1568 forums with 34761 members, so it looks like it's doing OK for itself. I browsed some of the other forums and they seemed active and advert free. That said, their support page also wants you to "click on a link to access an offer", so you might want to grab your files and run!
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Post by michaelsees on Nov 7, 2010 22:02:03 GMT -5
Once again your not correct. My forum was hosted by Brightforums and I tried to reach them and they kept trying to get my to click on free offers which I did once and got nowhere. If you can get a line on any support for bright forums it would be highly appreciate like I said none of the email address for the staff at brightforums.com do not work. Also it's true I was inactive over 60 days doing other stuff but this has been over a year at this date. I really love to get that forum back I did a lot of programing on it .
PS Peter how were you able to view my forum? The hosting were very well for a longtime I think some big change anyhow if you can get me any email address for support and anything else I would be grateful. Plus I had no advert like that. I had a choice for a banner to show like they have on this site or keywords highlighted and that was what I opt for. Peter all free forums are never free everyone has to pay the piper one way or another. But since you saw a open advert that tells me something has changed. thanks Michael
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