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Post by sunshine on Jan 19, 2016 12:19:44 GMT -5
what should i have used -´´making love?-as if love, or making love is common in a sexual act these days...copulate? tell me please?? ...get a life folks--i do NOT insult, like they do, and I am sincere in my trying to make a point. Saying "making love" would have avoided a ban but really you didn't need to refer to that at all because "Do you tell your girlfriend she doesn't exist?" would have got your point over just as well without dragging the tone down further than it already is. I agree sunshine, there's a lot of sniping and attacking going on here and if I thought I could - by some reasonably maintainable effort of moderating - raise that game to something more productive I would. But I've tried that, didn't work, and so now I just have to fall back to some pretty blunt lines which I can't even be terribly consistent about applying. Enigma seems to know where they are these days. Tzu less so. okay, it was abit strong-i see your point--but i never thought i risked a ban for it...- considering the goings on nothing extraordinary , as you seem to admit why two weeks?? i never ever even been reprimanded , ever in 3 plus years (was here under other names) a day would have sent enough message to me--now i feel like the forum has been taken over by some ruthless dictator--reminding me of Laughter as moderator-- -times which were not happy for me, as threads i started were broken in two when someone supposedly attacked me--i can take care of myself-thank you -and which caused me to leave altogether
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Post by sunshine on Sept 12, 2014 18:06:08 GMT -5
i dont know i had an experience the other day,and this morning-- when a number of small matters went wrong, and i seemed to be wasting a lot of time without result (trying to get a carpart replaced on scrapyard) --still, it did not irritate me--it was just how things went and i went along with it and had the best intention, of getting my car heater ventilator fixed... eventually i came to the place i had been the day before, i had told the guy i would pass by with the broken part, so he could compare it to what he had...i was going to buy that part, i was sure...--but he wasnt there...bugger...then i sat in my car (´´he´ll be back in 5 minutes´´--in portugal that means ´´before tomorrow´´) and i fiddled around with the ventilator that was stuck and wouldnt turn...suddenly it gave way and spun freely...i drove home and reconnected it--it worked perfectly... all these little mishaps, saved me 40 euros or more..money i can well use for other things now this thing had been in that car for 14 years and 525.000 kilometers...it stopped working and started smelling , smoke came out of it...it only could be broken...burnt...logic and experience told me that... or i make a painting, i use blacklight colors,but have no electricity... and after 4 to 5 or hours of work,3 sessions,sun starts shining and i have power again..... i turn on the blacklight, and lo and behold--unwittingly i painted something beautiful that lifts the painting above the ordinary--- if you can enlarge look at the eyes in the 3rd one, and the whiteblue lines in the second... i only painted the first one consciuosly(btw the painting i changed a lot afterwards but have no photo ) i wont say in the first story one there wasnt a ´´doer´´--decisions were made...sock puppets play their respective roles--- in the second one--well for me this is like meditation--does it disqualify me? there was a ´´doer´´, a specific ´´plan´´ to execute i never do any ´´practice´´...although i say ´´thank you ´´regularly to that light that shines through everything....humans, objects..if i shift focus a little... so i can not really relate to what you say, Steve..but maybe i misunderstand...where does this rank in your scale? I'm not 'ranking' anyone, I'm pointing everyone toward meditation. I suspect that while painting, you are in a state of both shallow and deep meditation quite often...When I was painting it was so, and I have never met a painter who does to get so alertly focussed on what they are doing that the painting just kinda happens, each brush stroke, the paint, the brush, the canvas, the movement.. .all one happening, with no sense of separation from the work.that sounds like the zen approach, where one needs to be a true master at the technique before one can do that a story a king once asked a famous painter for a drawing of a bull the painter said okay, but would not say when it would be finished after a year the king asked , so where is the drawing sorry, sir, it is not ready yet another year passed and the king asked again, where is my drawing? sorry your highness, it is not yet finished after the third year had pased, the king asked again the question--is it ready? yes your highness please come to my studio where you can see it the king came. and there the artist drew a perfect drawing of a bull in a few strokes the king asked, but how come you let me wait three years for this? then the artist drew back a curtain, and there the king saw hundreds upon hundreds of drawings of that same bull---
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Post by sunshine on Sept 12, 2014 11:35:30 GMT -5
So regardless of the method, or means of arriving at the experience of a meditative state, the actual experience is the same. One thing to understand, is that meditation is more like a state, than it is a practice. Various practices like sitting ZaZen, or many of the 112 methods in the Vigyan Bhairav Tantra, or in the vedic traditions etc. can lead to meditation, but are not meditation. The way you get up the hill, is not the same as sitting on the hilltop....So be careful not to confuse the legion of methods for arriving at meditation with meditation. There is no 'meditating', only a state of meditation, what most people call 'meditating' is actually a practice for arriving at meditation. Contemplation, sitting ZaZen, breath following, TM, ATA, these are not meditation, they are means to arrive at meditation, and the means have their own benefits besides helping one open into a meditative state. For a method to open into a state of meditation, one needs to apply three things within their method....Increasing Alertness, Increasing Focus, and Increasing Concentration. I say 'increasing' because all three of these; Alertness, Focus, Concentration, have to be exercised and developed over time by repeated and consistent use, like a muscle...with a low capacity for sustained alertness, focus, and concentration, no method or practice used to arrive at meditation will work. You must have or develop the capacity to be alert, focus on a specific action, sense, or object, and be able to concentrate, or hold your focus on your means of getting to a meditative state WITH ALERTNESS. This can be difficult for some at first, because people like sleeping so to speak, they like distraction and wandering, and oft prefer a kind of subtle lethargy rather than alertness....perseverance is needed to develop the capacity for alertness, focus, and concentration, all three of which provide many benefits besides being able to open into meditation. The state of meditation itself, occurs when one focuses on an activity, sense, or object with such sustained alertness, focus, and concentration that all sense of doership suddenly drops away, even while one is very alert....this state of alert stillness, or non-doing in the midst of the happening of this moment is the entry point to meditation...on deeper levels of meditation, like relative or absolute Samadhi, both the sense of 'doing' and the sense of seperation of observer and observed disappear completely. It happens frequently that we get so absorbed into something that the sense of doing and being a separate observer disappears, but what separates this from meditation, is alertness, consciousness, and intention. And therein is all the difference. Does that answer your Question Max and '.' ? i dont know i had an experience the other day,and this morning-- when a number of small matters went wrong, and i seemed to be wasting a lot of time without result (trying to get a carpart replaced on scrapyard) --still, it did not irritate me--it was just how things went and i went along with it and had the best intention, of getting my car heater ventilator fixed... eventually i came to the place i had been the day before, i had told the guy i would pass by with the broken part, so he could compare it to what he had...i was going to buy that part, i was sure...--but he wasnt there...bugger...then i sat in my car (´´he´ll be back in 5 minutes´´--in portugal that means ´´before tomorrow´´) and i fiddled around with the ventilator that was stuck and wouldnt turn...suddenly it gave way and spun freely...i drove home and reconnected it--it worked perfectly... all these little mishaps, saved me 40 euros or more..money i can well use for other things now this thing had been in that car for 14 years and 525.000 kilometers...it stopped working and started smelling , smoke came out of it...it only could be broken...burnt...logic and experience told me that... or i make a painting, i use blacklight colors,but have no electricity... and after 4 to 5 or hours of work,3 sessions,sun starts shining and i have power again..... i turn on the blacklight, and lo and behold--unwittingly i painted something beautiful that lifts the painting above the ordinary--- if you can enlarge look at the eyes in the 3rd one, and the whiteblue lines in the second... i only painted the first one consciuosly(btw the painting i changed a lot afterwards but have no photo ) i wont say in the first story one there wasnt a ´´doer´´--decisions were made...sock puppets play their respective roles--- in the second one--well for me this is like meditation--does it disqualify me? there was a ´´doer´´, a specific ´´plan´´ to execute i never do any ´´practice´´...although i say ´´thank you ´´regularly to that light that shines through everything....humans, objects..if i shift focus a little... so i can not really relate to what you say, Steve..but maybe i misunderstand...where does this rank in your scale?
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Post by sunshine on Sept 12, 2014 10:52:06 GMT -5
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Post by sunshine on Sept 12, 2014 10:07:12 GMT -5
i want to understand why our bodies say hey cooked food is poison!!
part of my expose both you and Max avoided... You know, it's not necessary to frame discussions such as these with such drama. Talking about your 'exposé' that was 'avoided.' It's possible that people you are discussing with are not your enemy and may even be sympathetic to the core of your argument. Their skepticism may help you refine and clarify your argument so that it will have better power elsewhere. Plus, it is arrogant and inaccurate. For example, rather than 'avoided,' I looked into that claim yesterday. I did find something interesting that you probably missed because I added it later: On cooked food causing immune response -- what's your evidence? This is what I see. "Note that we are not here recommending a diet based on food choices like what Kouchakoff suggests above--only demonstrating that his research has been taken considerably out of context by extremists, and used to "prove" things that Kouchakoff's work itself does not support (such as that an all-raw diet is necessary, or is the only way, or the best way, to avoid leukocytosis)." I am curious as to the evidence you have for your claim. As silence noted, it's easy to find evidence to the contrary but I am genuinely interested in your claim. Also I had written this in a separate post, which partly validates your claim: On meat consumption instigating immune response, the part I found interesting is Neu5gc. Some meat (not poultry or fish) contains Neu5Gc, which was once part of the human system but theorized to have been selected out to help malaria survival. It can cause inflammation (immune response) if consumed. Veggie diets have shown promise for treating rheumatism for example. Note that the immune response is to an element that is in some meat but not all. It's not in fish and poultry and is present in only trace amounts in dairy. But I found the theory that it was present in humans and then selected out as malaria adaptation to be fascinating. Also on your wish for SDA studies. There is one from the 90's that I saw. It's complicated because SD Adventists don't smoke or drink either. And generally they have more healthy attitudes. So it's hard to single out vegetarianism as a factor in lower cancer incidence. I agree that it'd be nice to see more analysis. What about Hindu populations? -- multimulti generations of vegetarians and lots of them (India). Hello Max first of all---please. please, never mix up vegans, vegetarians, and raw vegans--their eating habits vary very much and are really not comparable for anybody who wants to get to the essence of this matter. EDIT second--i tried the ´´this is what i see´´ link and it did not work...nothing happened at all...i didnt think it actually was a link... only now ,after posting this i tried again and it works...still reading...doesnt seem to contradict what i am saying so far i replied to some points you make,in the same post earlier, i use that post again here so i am sure you dont miss it in the barrage of post here Peter Ragnar was the first i encountered writing about the Kouchakoff experiment.(´´how long do you choose to live?´´)The only one out there who claims enlightenment and actually is a strong advocate and 40+ year practitioner of Rawfood- calling people like thomas lodi, fuhrmann, matt ledermann, brenda cobb, brian clement,john mc dougall,charlotte gerson, t.colin campbell,caldwell eysselstein,esselsteyn, etc ´´extremists´´ is the typical bourgeois establishment approach to anything they do not like because it endangers their purses or petty beliefs.These are just a few of the names of those who run health clinics where actually people get cured from cancer,diabetes and heart disease,some within a few months time, with a 100pct rawfood diet.(though mcdougall actually has some cooked food in the diet),or they are active promotors of such diets. Clinton now listens to extremist Caldwell Eysselsteyn?Lock him up then because we all know extremists are extremely dangerous people.(sorry ´bout the drama--who is creating drama? not you, but the guy you quote--okay?) so that approach and name calling in itself already makes the source suspect--you remember what happened to Max Gerson, in the dvd healing cancer from inside out, he was ridiculed in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) for sayin that smoking is bad for your health.(they made big money from tobacco ads) Gerson was a pioneer of the raw food healing approach to cancer,and he was blackballed out of the usa,also after being ridiculed by the same JAMA,but his clinic,now in Mexico still spews out ex-cancerpatients as we speak, 60 years later. my approach to these things is different..i use intuition(which can still be wrong)and ´´common sense´´, and i am not afraid to dive headlong into things...an inborn enthousiasm, i guess, and many times i get disappointed, but an experience richer...i was a hare krishna, a tibetan budist (including tibetan name), mother meera fan, osho visitor, aurobindo adept, etc...and tried a range of alternative stuff, from rebirthing , to touch for health, to rebalancing ,silva mind control, etcetc... in the case of raw veganism, i got the chance to buy a few books on the topic second hand, cheaply, had a live example, superfit guy who did everything on his bicycle(this is very hilly terrain here),tried it and i found that i never felt better after a few months. my urine is crystal clear, and odorless---my skin is less and less wrinkled, for the first time in my life i got compliments how good i looked--folk usually never guess i am 61 years old.My interest came from the understanding that physical immortality must be the way evolution is heading. the Kouchakoff test could be disproved easily and the ´´extremist´´ ridiculed...it was never done..i wonder why...these clinics and doctors i mentioned, usually do not have the resources to do trials like that, but counting bloodcells before and after eating rawfood isnt that hard to do, for big pharma, if they wanted to...A couple of 100.000 bucks and some med students could do it. even so--i look at the results in my own life, and the hundreds of testimonies on youtube..i´d say it works,better than anything else out there--and the theory, as it stands, is the best one around. so unless raw vegans start dying at the same rate as evrybody else,1in3 from cancer, 1in3 from heart disease,and a large percentage gets diabetes--i will stick with this approach..i feel better than with cooked food---lots better--, and after a few months it no longer is a sacrifice, i actually enjoy salads, and have never cravings for cooked food, unless i am in a situation with folk who eat a lot of french fries and such, for a prolonged period of time, as it will trigger old desires which were dying...every now and then i resist the impulse to buy a bag of chips or a tin of sardines---but wont torture myself with guilt if i do... one last thing--i did not bring up the topic of food in this thread, i had already decided to leave it to others on this forum, i said what i wanted to say-- when Sharon said american men were ´´free thinking´´ i brought up the topic there because the dvd ´´healing cancer from inside out´´ is a clear evidence of indoctrination taking place in the usa as we speak.Your Noam Chomski example movie (i like it) shows how that worked and still works. sorry for this long story--i prefer the other subjects here...advaita vs enlightenment and such... as we say in portugal, boas sunshine P.S.edit i downloaded the article--i was not aware of it--so i will come back on it later, possibly mondy--as it is quite a long article sseya .
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Post by sunshine on Sept 12, 2014 9:25:33 GMT -5
Why not allow what's happening to be more than your desire to make a point about what you think about Tzu's interaction on this forum? What's happening, collectively to/with/through the experiencers, can be articulated and understood without conflict.. If UG and i walk outside and it is raining and we are both getting wet, and i say, "it's raining", and he says, "no, there is no rain", he has chosen conflict.. there is a happening, commonly described and understood as 'rain', opposition to the common reference of the same experience is a choice to challenge the understanding of the other in spite of the claim there is no 'other'... Sometimes, 'it's raining', is just an observation, rather than a philosophical challenge.. Right, probably in most situations 'it's raining' is just an observation. Depends on the context though. If you are in the middle of a philosophical discussion about the nature of phenomena, 'it's not raining' might be an appropriate thing to say. Much of what we discuss on this forum is in that ballpark -- that's what some here are interested in exploring. My guess is that if you were walking with someone in a normal, nonphilosophical context, and you were both being rained on and then you said "it's raining" the other person might say "no sh!t Sherlock" or maybe just silently roll their eyes (depending on their civility). Or they might say "wow you must really have a still mind to be able to observe the actuality of the happening so accurately." UG may just kick you! Tzu... if folk actually just say what they observe all the time, stating what is ´´actually happening´´, it gets pretty boring,and rather pointless when in your example(maybe you can find a better one) it is raining, you state the obvious, and to me it sounds rather silly--there would seem to be a hidden ,maybe unconscious motive to start a conversation, maybe you feel not quite at ease with UG? so you search for an equilibrium?-some common ground? basically there remains nothing to be said it actually gets interesting because people interpret things quite differently, or have quite different perceptions---at times i feel people who are 10.000 miles away as if they are in the same room, even as if they are ´´me´´ actually, so my reality is quite different from yours, apparently.My senses are, or work, different(often called expanded consciousness, btw)...so i´d say it is not so easy to define ´´what is actually happening´´ and also one must be careful calling (f.i. my) interpretation ´´stories´´ because , really they arent, unless i misunderstand what you (tzu) call ´´story´´ sorry if i am a little off topic here
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Post by sunshine on Sept 11, 2014 11:02:06 GMT -5
i want to understand why our bodies say hey cooked food is poison!!
part of my expose both you and Max avoided... You know, it's not necessary to frame discussions such as these with such drama. Talking about your 'exposé' that was 'avoided.' It's possible that people you are discussing with are not your enemy and may even be sympathetic to the core of your argument. Their skepticism may help you refine and clarify your argument so that it will have better power elsewhere. Plus, it is arrogant and inaccurate. For example, rather than 'avoided,' I looked into that claim yesterday. I did find something interesting that you probably missed because I added it later: On cooked food causing immune response -- what's your evidence? This is what I see. "Note that we are not here recommending a diet based on food choices like what Kouchakoff suggests above--only demonstrating that his research has been taken considerably out of context by extremists, and used to "prove" things that Kouchakoff's work itself does not support (such as that an all-raw diet is necessary, or is the only way, or the best way, to avoid leukocytosis)." I am curious as to the evidence you have for your claim. As silence noted, it's easy to find evidence to the contrary but I am genuinely interested in your claim. Also I had written this in a separate post, which partly validates your claim: On meat consumption instigating immune response, the part I found interesting is Neu5gc. Some meat (not poultry or fish) contains Neu5Gc, which was once part of the human system but theorized to have been selected out to help malaria survival. It can cause inflammation (immune response) if consumed. Veggie diets have shown promise for treating rheumatism for example. Note that the immune response is to an element that is in some meat but not all. It's not in fish and poultry and is present in only trace amounts in dairy. But I found the theory that it was present in humans and then selected out as malaria adaptation to be fascinating. Also on your wish for SDA studies. There is one from the 90's that I saw. It's complicated because SD Adventists don't smoke or drink either. And generally they have more healthy attitudes. So it's hard to single out vegetarianism as a factor in lower cancer incidence. I agree that it'd be nice to see more analysis. What about Hindu populations? -- multimulti generations of vegetarians and lots of them (India). sorry max,you´re probably right--i get so much flak (in general,raw vegans are arare species it seems--)on this subject,that it sometimes isnt easy to discern who is intending what with their critcism i did not see the part non kouchakoff because you added it later, of course i else would not have said that you avoided it i will check inlater with a reply, maybe tom. ..
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Post by sunshine on Sept 11, 2014 4:50:15 GMT -5
Or maybe I never talk about meditators acting proud. (Until now, that is) I mean self delusional mind games. Haha.... So meditators are overly proud folks engaging in self delusional mind games and escapism....interesting direction this thread took lol One would think that may be a more apt description of folks who spend endless hours at a screen debating subject matter whose entire foundation is meditation, who don't meditate regularly....its hilarious really...you guys have just perfectly mirrored yourselves in those descriptors. The entire subject matter discussed here, the entire exploration pursued here, is FOUNDED in one very simple act: Meditation So if you are not meditating regularly, what the hell are you doing here, if not engaging in self delusional mind games and escapism? please define meditation
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Post by sunshine on Sept 11, 2014 4:46:06 GMT -5
yeah, that sounds plausible and with so much misinformation floating around... was just trying to ferret out the truth.... of course, apparently, even evidence in opposition to ones theories can be seen as confirmatory ::) A recent study showed that all scientific studies actually prove the opposite of what they purport to prove. yeah, that sounds plausible and with so much misinformation floating around... was just trying to ferret out the truth.... of course, apparently, even evidence in opposition to ones theories can be seen as confirmatory ::) A recent study showed that all scientific studies actually prove the opposite of what they purport to prove. yeah, that sounds plausible and with so much misinformation floating around... was just trying to ferret out the truth.... of course, apparently, even evidence in opposition to ones theories can be seen as confirmatory ::) A recent study showed that all scientific studies actually prove the opposite of what they purport to prove. yeah giraffes now catch little birds in full flight and devour them with their sharp carnivorous teeth i am... considering the overwhelming evidence you present here, a change in diet...
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Post by sunshine on Sept 11, 2014 4:26:27 GMT -5
You can find whatever you're looking for. Here's a study published this year that indicates vegetarians are significantly more at risk for cancer along with just about everything else. They must be sneaking in some animal protein when nobody is looking. "Overall, vegetarians are in a poorer state of health compared to the other dietary habit groups. Concerning self- reported health, vegetarians differ significantly from each of the other groups, toward poorer health (p=000). Moreover, these subjects report higher levels of impairment from disorders (p=.002). Vegetarians additionally report more chronic diseases than those eating a carnivorous diet less rich in meat (p=.000; Table 2). Significantly more vegetarians suffer from allergies, cancer, and mental health ailments (anxiety, or depression) than the other dietary habit groups." www.plosone.org/article/fetchObject.action?uri=info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0088278&representation=PDFClearly, the FDA should ban all vegetables immediately! :o yep a 2014 study--shows that degeneration has now kicked in...the so-maniest generation of overconsuming animal proteine...and then they become vegetarians, i want to see a study of several generations of non-meat-dairy fish chicken etc. eaters (like the 7th day adventists,who get cancer 1 in 30 instead of 1 in 3 ) or the japanese men who do (did) not get lungcancer even though they smoke more than anybody else---raw animal proteine,(fish)and lots of vegetables... you gotta come with better stuff than this to convince me--trust me i heard all these arguments lots of times,and i am not going to impair my health because of some baseless belief--even though i started out as a vegetarian because,as a young idealistic person, i felt it was wrong to treat animals the way they were treated in Holland, where i grew up. btw vegetarians(not vegans-although they are often bad too--lack of b12 and omega 3and6--- or raw vegans) are notorious for their poor diet..i was one for 35 years...i ate cheese and bread, basically, and drank lots of coffee---i did not like cooking--and those vegetarians who cook eat loads of pasta and rice, very bad for yer health(sugars), and all kinds of other bad stuff, like coca cola, or other sodas you name it they consume it...kellogs mgo cereals with milk...pure poison...i bet loads of vegetarians havent got a clue.... and they call this kind of study ´´scientific´´ and advise people accordingly --it is criminal
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Post by sunshine on Sept 11, 2014 3:57:22 GMT -5
nice one, thanks-- so now elephants are carnivores?? or their bodies are made up of animal proteine??that would truly be senstational news as far as moral superiority is concerned--i do not get it ---i am not interested in the moral of it..i want to understand why our bodies say hey cooked food is poison!!
part of my expose both you and Max avoided...
and pointing out that cancer is related to meat eating,animal proteine..still no morals involved--and if you feel morally inferior because you eat meat of tortured and maimed animals, well that is your problem bro, not mine
and we are still talking about RAW meat---i ate raw fish,in Holland it is a treat, salted herring with raw onion,but that does not make me an elephant-- if yer getting my drift... You can find whatever you're looking for. Here's a study published this year that indicates vegetarians are significantly more at risk for cancer along with just about everything else. They must be sneaking in some animal protein when nobody is looking. "Overall, vegetarians are in a poorer state of health compared to the other dietary habit groups. Concerning self- reported health, vegetarians differ significantly from each of the other groups, toward poorer health (p=000). Moreover, these subjects report higher levels of impairment from disorders (p=.002). Vegetarians additionally report more chronic diseases than those eating a carnivorous diet less rich in meat (p=.000; Table 2). Significantly more vegetarians suffer from allergies, cancer, and mental health ailments (anxiety, or depression) than the other dietary habit groups." www.plosone.org/article/fetchObject.action?uri=info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0088278&representation=PDFyep a 2014 study--shows that degeneration has now kicked in...the so-maniest generation of overconsuming animal proteine...and then they become vegetarians, i want to see a study of several generations of non-meat-dairy fish chicken etc. eaters (like the 7th day adventists,who get cancer 1 in 30 instead of 1 in 3 ) or the japanese men who do not get lungcancer even though they smoke more than anybody else---raw animal proteine,(fish)and lots of vegetables... you gotta come with better stuff than this to convince me--trust me i heard all these arguments lots of times,and i am not going to impair my health because of some belief--even though i started out as a vegetarian because,as a young idealistic person, i felt it was wrong to treat animals the way they were treated in Holland, where i grew up. btw vegetarians(not vegans-although they are often bad too--lack of b12 and omega 3and6--- or raw vegans) are notorious for their poor diet..i was one for 35 years...i ate cheese and bread, basically, and drank lots of coffee---i did not like cooking--and those vegetarians who cook eat loads of pasta and rice, very bad for yer health(sugars), and all kinds of other bad stuff, like coca cola, or other sodas you name it they consume it...kellogs mgo cereals with milk...pure poison...i bet loads of vegetarians havent got a clue.... and they call this kind of study ´´scientific´´ and advise people accordingly --it is criminal
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Post by sunshine on Sept 10, 2014 17:34:15 GMT -5
thanks, i argued, that saying ´´other mammals eat meat´´was a lame argument...but okay, so now gorilla´s may join the club...it doesnt say what were the circumstances they eat meat, from chimps we know it,i mentioned chimps, like i said before in reply here to MaxD--it doesnt alter my argument, i am not denying herbivores started eating meat some time ago--i argue it is what created our brains to develop and also notion of space, and TIME, and separateness---evt---´self´´ a function of the brain that is now impairing us, as we are destroying our planet out of fear.Very strange Your argument is a poor theory at best. Used as a delivery system for your moral superiority. Here's another one for you. nice one, thanks-- so now elephants are carnivores?? or their bodies are made up of animal proteine??that would truly be senstational news as far as moral superiority is concerned--i do not get it ---i am not interested in the moral of it..i want to understand why our bodies say hey cooked food is poison!!
part of my expose both you and Max avoided...
and pointing out that cancer is related to meat eating,animal proteine..still no morals involved--and if you feel morally inferior because you eat meat of tortured and maimed animals, well that is your problem bro, not mine
and we are still talking about RAW meat---i ate raw fish,in Holland it is a treat, salted herring with raw onion,but that does not make me an elephant-- if yer getting my drift...
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Post by sunshine on Sept 10, 2014 17:04:42 GMT -5
I don't think he was specifically talking about the forum, but it is interesting that I am moved to eat a steak before I talk to you :D Well, that cinches it, then. (He was specifically talking about you) deliberately twisting the case around...? only ego can do that, no one else has interest in it...
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Post by sunshine on Sept 10, 2014 17:02:30 GMT -5
i am not interested in a broad following, sir, i am true to my insights, and share them here, wether you or who cares who, likes them or not...i am not interested in the common denominator Then why did you post "Who cares?" in response to the volition discussion? this is a non -question ,right?
If you think non-volition is common thinking, you are mistaken...
NIZ is the only one out there to claim this,it is what made him famous ,for else he is just like the guru nextdoor...
You think the question of volition has no answer? How could that be? Either you have volition or you don't.
It does matter. that is typical dualistic thinking, sir and what happens when a sockpuppet engages in it, it gets trapped in the head....a place incapable of producing satisfying solutions, as it uses duality to come to conclusions
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Post by sunshine on Sept 10, 2014 16:50:13 GMT -5
thanks, i argued, that saying ´´other mammals eat meat´´was a lame argument...but okay, so now gorilla´s may join the club...it doesnt say what were the circumstances they eat meat, from chimps we know it,i mentioned chimps, like i said before in reply here to MaxD--it doesnt alter my argument, i am not denying herbivores started eating meat some time ago--i argue it is what created our brains to develop and also notion of space, and TIME, and separateness---evt---´self´´ a function of the brain that is now impairing us, as we are destroying our planet out of fear.Very strange
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