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Post by sunshine on Sept 10, 2014 16:34:20 GMT -5
well,that actually makes my argument stronger, since i was wondering ´´is he gonna buy the idea that only the left side developed after monkeys..herbivores--started to eat meat...´´ i had doubts myself, but you provide an answer here...maybe it was both halves,or (seems plausible, as ´´time´´ annd separateness are more likely to be associated with agression, fear etc(fear of the future--will we have food?) competing desires are to transcend and universalise..(not to escape from into nirvana) they were useful during earlier phase of evolution--and are now impairing us...we are destroying our own habitat...because of them... Perhaps it is the meandering route of built-in obsolescence that all creatures have? Or at least the ones that nature's wisdom knows is creating too much havoc. not all creatures have built in perception of eternal spirit--or self--time--consciousness--or of the concept of evolution...that makes humans distincly different--- wether you want to say that evolution is the full integration of spirit into matter, we humans a transitory phase-- is a matter of --well for me it seems logical, and , as a an artist i like the notion of creation not being over--creative impulse is what keeps the thing going , aint it?--- the best work i make in joy, freedom, sometimes bliss--or, at least, absence of thought--qualities attributed to spirit by most spiritual disciplines--so--(spirit is creating, and since it is eternal, why should it stop here?)
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Post by sunshine on Sept 10, 2014 16:10:05 GMT -5
well,that actually makes my argument stronger, since i was wondering ´´is he gonna buy the idea that only the left side developed after monkeys..herbivores--started to eat meat...´´ i had doubts myself, but you provide an answer here...maybe it was both halves,or (seems plausible, as ´´time´´ annd separateness are more likely to be associated with agression, fear etc(fear of the future--will we have food?) competing desires are to transcend and universalise..(not to escape from into nirvana) they were useful during earlier phase of evolution--and are now impairing us...we are destroying our own habitat...because of them...
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Post by sunshine on Sept 10, 2014 15:26:02 GMT -5
well this: is what i have been saying--the left side of the brain developed due to meat eating--chimps eat their babies when they overpopulate, or --caused by f.i. drought, lack of space, floods, tribal´´wars´´ etc...if there is no greens to eat, ´´we´´ eat meat as well---carnivores during periods of f.i. drought of a few years have better survival chances...And, we are talking about RAW meat here an evolutionary development which has now reached a point where it becomes self annihilating--the left side being the time and space and ´´self´´ conscious half of the brain, which we are here on STF all trying to shut down via meditation etc. --- b12 was found in water, it is abacteria,we dont use that anymore cause , f.i. we chlorify our water--still one find is not conclusive...and we keep evolving---cause why is it that the immune system creates white bloodcells as soon as any kind of processed (also cooked) food enters the body???because, after all these hundred thousand of years, the body still says HEY THIS IS POISON !! . The left-right conception of brain is a popular myth.Herbivores cannibalize as well.Canibalism is commonly misconceived to be due to a shortage of food or due to overpopulation. It's more common than that.On meat consumption instigating immune response, the part I found interesting is Neu5gc. Some meat (not poultry or fish) contains Neu5Gc, which was once part of the human system but theorized to have been selected out to help malaria survival. It can cause inflammation (immune response) if consumed. Veggie diets have shown promise for treating rheumatism for example. www.ted.com/talks/jill_bolte_taylor_s_powerful_stroke_of_insightnot a myth anymore it isnt...watch this vid , funny and informative it is cooked food i am taliking about, invoking immune response... ´´herivores canniblaise´´ is exactly the point i am making..i am not interested in ´´moralism´´ chimps (herbivores) eat their babies when overpopulating...
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Post by sunshine on Sept 10, 2014 14:37:37 GMT -5
So, that means that there is only one way - each of us has to find our own way or path to 'being' and I get that we are all 'beings being' - *silver snicker*
yes , like to watch a clip of Mooji, or lisa cairns 2014, dunno why, resonance ? or sometimes when one of the sock puppets is taking over claiming to be ´´me´´, and worries about money f.i., it walks out the door and there is a little puppy...and everything falls away..there is just pure and simple joy...
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Post by sunshine on Sept 10, 2014 14:21:30 GMT -5
The study offers insights into the evolution of hominins including Homo sapiens. Musiba said the movement from a scavenger, largely plant-eating lifestyle to a meat-eating one may have provided the protein needed to grow our brains and give us an evolutionary boost. Some scientists have argued that we became human when we became carnivorous-omnivorous creatures. "Meat eating is associated with brain development," he said. "The brain is a large organ and requires a lot of energy. We are beginning to think more about the relationship between brain expansion and a high protein diet." Humans are one of the few surviving species with such a large brain to body size ratio. Chimpanzees, our closest relatives, eat little meat and have far less brain capacity than humans, Musiba said. "That separates us from our distant cousins," he said. "The question is what triggered our meat eating? Was it a changing environment? Was it the expansion of the brain itself? We don't really know." well this: is what i have been saying--the left side of the brain developed due to meat eating--chimps eat their babies when they overpopulate, or --caused by f.i. drought, lack of space, floods, tribal´´wars´´ etc...if there is no greens to eat, ´´we´´ eat meat as well---carnivores during periods of f.i. drought of a few years have better survival chances...And, we are talking about RAW meat here an evolutionary development which has now reached a point where it becomes self annihilating--the left side being the time and space and ´´self´´ conscious half of the brain, which we are here on STF all trying to shut down via meditation etc. --- b12 was found in water, it is abacteria,we dont use that anymore cause , f.i. we chlorify our water--still one find is not conclusive...and we keep evolving---cause why is it that the immune system creates white bloodcells as soon as any kind of processed (also cooked) food enters the body???because, after all these hundred thousand of years, the body still says HEY THIS IS POISON !! .
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Post by sunshine on Sept 10, 2014 13:15:20 GMT -5
???? elephants, rhino´s...gorilla(benchlifts 4000lbs) eat ONLY vegetables...please dudes...this is pre-kindergarten argumentation The fact is though that homo sapiens has been eating meat since the beginning. Thus they are omnivores. Whether they 'should' or 'should not' eat meat is debateable, endlessly. since the beginning---beginning when, exactly>?
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Post by sunshine on Sept 10, 2014 13:03:50 GMT -5
It's always seemed pretty obvious to me that humans are omnivores. It's also my opinion though that in states of extreme illness that removing meat from the diet, at least temporarily can be quite beneficial. I Yes, I can see the obviousness you see, and I can well believe the second bit. The one argument that I disagree with which meat-eaters (such as myself!) sometimes make is that its 'natural' for us to eat meat given that other mammals also eat meat. The counter argument to that is that mammals will also lick their own as.s lol. The point being of course that just because we are animal/mammal doesn't necessarily mean that its necessarily the way forward for us to do what other animals/mammals do. ???? elephants, rhino´s...gorilla(benchlifts 4000lbs) eat ONLY vegetables...please dudes...this is pre-kindergarten argumentation
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Post by sunshine on Sept 10, 2014 13:00:44 GMT -5
there is another possibilty i didnt think of when i wrote this yesterday..on the fly... if you are ,like you suggested somewhere, transforming other folks energies, ( a thing i hold plausible..considering your previous level which i could sense clearly) it may be that your consciousness--vibration-- needs to be more down on ´´their level´´ The Mother , while she worked on transforming the cells of her body, ate ´´what everybody eats´´, since she did not do it for herself alone (S.A.: ´´that would be easy´´-to live a 1000 years, or ´´forever´´) but she wanted this done for the whole of humanity---she (they) took on that burden voluntarilly--we are here talking about the huge energies cosmic, that are behind evolution she had heart attacks every few days...aged 90 she founded Auroville..extraordinary really---the supramental consciousness only could do that--a new level in the earth atmosfere... that consciousness is streaming right into the cells of every human as we speak---an entirely new approach from the heart of matter, this is the evolutionary step being prepared...and the shift may happen very quickly indeed--surprising everybody---a solar flare can wipe out everything electrical tomorrow, massive praying power will emerge from the people, a call for from the heart for change, and this may tip the balance and a new species actually arrive...from our midst---our inner capacities unleashed...freedom ,love and power sitting on the same throne---no religion--pure consciousness in action so maybe something like that going on... ;) So S.A. and his mother could easily have chosen to live forever, but instead chose to transform all of humanity, and therefore live normal life spans? Is this where we pass the cool-aide? Andrew needing to somehow bring himself down to 'our' level so as to communicate with us?.... Yes, no doubt. B-| it is easy to mock things you have stated you have no interest in studying--so maybe just shut up? or displaY YOUR PETTY bet witter EGO HERE..AS YOU WISH.. ooops capslock..well that is how it is then...lol
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Post by sunshine on Sept 10, 2014 12:57:52 GMT -5
no--E thinks it is ´´important´´ to correct their views but he cannot help that, as there is no volition--so who could ever blame him, or he himself or...etc...and hey i got NOOO problem with that whatever gets you free and smiley but then these lenghty discussions dont do that for me...contrary...hence my comment Right, you engage in lengthy discussions about other things that don't do anything for me, and yet I haven't called it meaningless discussion and said 'Who cares?' You verbally resist these relatively short discussions that apply to a broad membership while endlessly promoting your own specific vegetarian and personal guru topics that interest only a few. That's WIBIGO, and I suggest it's because you're very much interested in avoiding the truth about volition. i am not interested in a broad following, sir, i am true to my insights, and share them here, wether you or who cares who, likes them or not...i am not interested in the common denominator--it means mediocracy and will not do anything for this planet and its people, it never did and never will, creation was done by creative people who dared to think outside of the common thinking. i am glad if one or two follow my posts and may actually have some benefit from them--and if not, so be it-- the truth about volition does not exist...petty mind can not solve these questions, to think you can is pure arrogance...ego you could simply state it doesnt matter if volition exists or not...and that would resolve the problem, but you have to go out here and parrot NISAGARDATTA, who is the only one i know of, who actually made a point of this volition thing... and there are loads of teachers in the same consciousness as he was, who care to state differently and again i say, i do not care ..i do what i do...
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Post by sunshine on Sept 10, 2014 12:45:17 GMT -5
there is another possibilty i didnt think of when i wrote this yesterday..on the fly... if you are ,like you suggested somewhere, transforming other folks energies, ( a thing i hold plausible..considering your previous level which i could sense clearly) it may be that your consciousness--vibration-- needs to be more down on ´´their level´´ The Mother , while she worked on transforming the cells of her body, ate ´´what everybody eats´´, since she did not do it for herself alone (S.A.: ´´that would be easy´´-to live a 1000 years, or ´´forever´´) but she wanted this done for the whole of humanity---she (they) took on that burden voluntarilly--we are here talking about the huge energies cosmic, that are behind evolution she had heart attacks every few days...aged 90 she founded Auroville..extraordinary really---the supramental consciousness only could do that--a new level in the earth atmosfere... that consciousness is streaming right into the cells of every human as we speak---an entirely new approach from the heart of matter, this is the evolutionary step being prepared...and the shift may happen very quickly indeed--surprising everybody---a solar flare can wipe out everything electrical tomorrow, massive praying power will emerge from the people, a call for from the heart for change, and this may tip the balance and a new species actually arrive...from our midst---our inner capacities unleashed...freedom ,love and power sitting on the same throne---no religion--pure consciousness in action so maybe something like that going on... wow....goosebumps on that last bit. Loved it. What you said about The Mother also resonates. It sounds really odd but as we were going through the process of swapping from vegetables to meat over a period of a few weeks, there came a point when there was a palpable sense that the Earth wanted us to eat meat. And that at this point, we would actually be better connected to humans, animals and plants in receiving the meat than sticking to the vegetables. It all felt a little tough to swallow (quite literally!), but there we go. What we have been doing lately is 'house-sitting' for pets while their owners are abroad, there is definitely some transmuting energy happening as we move from location to location, and it suits us because the inclination to be in just one place for long is not there right now, plus we love the opportunity to look after animals. well,if you actually live in the house of somebody else (maybe meat eaters?) that would explain... doesnt alter anything on the rest i said last post...
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Post by sunshine on Sept 10, 2014 4:49:53 GMT -5
Hi Andy...nice one about the chakra´s.... yes i get what yer saying..i had strange instances of ´´needing´´ meat,almost irresistable urge to go have a steak... i used to drive twice a year from *Portugal to Holland, about 1300 mile drive, i would get tired, but usually drive as far as i could..before taking a nap...it happened several times that i would want to have a schnitzel, (austrian steak)in a french roadside restaurant...i was, though 35 years vegetarian, never a fanatic about it, and gave in to the urge, though i always was puzzled where it came from...eventually i figured it out... i would get tired, so defenses somewhat down...also feeling ´´safe ´´ in the car (alone)---i would sometimes take byroutes ,offf highway...with little or no traffic...that is where i got the clue...i would get a truck behind me, sometimes during 20 minutes,big rig lorries who want to pass on curvy roads,(i used to drive just a mere 55 mph, trucks allowed to go little faster..).and then i would suddenly get sexual fantasies...a thing i stopped dwelling on long ago...then i realised it was resonance with the truck driver...haha...and then i realised the same thing happened with the meat thing... since then i started be more aware of surrounding influences...may be a tip for you... i wanted to react earlier about what you told about greenwich point..also resonance with others who had been there before..same surroundings, same kind of thoughts--and ´´click´´there you are(you´ll know how to place this comment,(may be sounds strange to othere here,cant help that now,) and you get connected with energies of others, and you have a job at hand of transforming , assisting... what may be happening you are reassessing your groundedness...may be connected to some strong entity, who will make you stronger in the long run, meat eating being a way to keep the connection. .it could also be an astral ´´vampire´´...then meat might continue the negative connection..up to you to figure it out...when you are a lightworker, there are lots of entities trying to mess things up...as they prefer darkness or halflight...read aurobindo on the subject, very ´´enlightening´´ i understand what you say about crown and eyechakra´s... i do not believe it has actually to do with a physical need for meat..but then maybe that you havent had enough b12 or omega 3 and 6, and since your postulate is to be in alignment with evolutionary forces, it may be a way to secure your kids against future ailments, possibly a mix of these two things...just some pointers about the grass thing--i find it enhances the feelings, focus gets more inward--i quit completely a few months ago and feel great...even though laws here are very lenient---i am looking for freedom, not dependence on a n y drug... as far as finding food is concerned, (rereading your post) the opposite happened to me..i remember complaining about not finding eco veggies here, and now i can buy them cheaper than the supermarket,and really nice tasting too...a catholic charity gone ´´eco´´ so yeah, no hard fixed rules, though one can say general things about food, and one must be aware where impulses come from...as there is no ´´I´´ , where they come from`? is it body? or some astral(´´vital´´ in aurobindo land)influence? take care Great message, thanks. Some very interesting stuff there that relates to our current situation in which we are moving around the country a fair bit and staying in different locations and houses. ''Reassessing your groundedness''....yes. I am sure that the meat eating is a positive thing for our energy in terms of 'connection', at least for right now. I also have a feeling that maybe we are catching up a bit on any B12 or omega deficiencies that we may have had. When we first started eating meat again, I felt that we would be sticking to chicken and fish...but 'something' has been very insistent that we eat a broader range than that. So I'm kind of like...well, rather than resist it, we might as well enjoy eating food that we thought we might never eat again. BBQ ribs have been a pleasure there is another possibilty i didnt think of when i wrote this yesterday..on the fly... if you are ,like you suggested somewhere, transforming other folks energies, ( a thing i hold plausible..considering your previous level which i could sense clearly) it may be that your consciousness--vibration-- needs to be more down on ´´their level´´ The Mother , while she worked on transforming the cells of her body, ate ´´what everybody eats´´, since she did not do it for herself alone (S.A.: ´´that would be easy´´-to live a 1000 years, or ´´forever´´) but she wanted this done for the whole of humanity---she (they) took on that burden voluntarilly--we are here talking about the huge energies cosmic, that are behind evolution she had heart attacks every few days...aged 90 she founded Auroville..extraordinary really---the supramental consciousness only could do that--a new level in the earth atmosfere... that consciousness is streaming right into the cells of every human as we speak---an entirely new approach from the heart of matter, this is the evolutionary step being prepared...and the shift may happen very quickly indeed--surprising everybody---a solar flare can wipe out everything electrical tomorrow, massive praying power will emerge from the people, a call for from the heart for change, and this may tip the balance and a new species actually arrive...from our midst---our inner capacities unleashed...freedom ,love and power sitting on the same throne---no religion--pure consciousness in action so maybe something like that going on...
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Post by sunshine on Sept 10, 2014 4:30:26 GMT -5
Right about what? I was just ribbin' the frog. :D
But, I do struggle with your conversations - especially the ones with the frog. I usually get totally lost when I read 'em. ???O.k. I'll back up then. Do you think that E' imagines people with a need to affirm volition? ::) no--E thinks it is ´´important´´ to correct their views but he cannot help that, as there is no volition--so who could ever blame him, or he himself or...etc...and hey i got NOOO problem with that whatever gets you free and smiley but then these lenghty discussions dont do that for me...contrary...hence my comment
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Post by sunshine on Sept 9, 2014 16:28:37 GMT -5
speaking of D'lama.... The Dalai Lama told German newspaper Welt am Sonntag in a recent interview that he sees no need for a successor to follow him. The Tibetan leader told the paper: "We had a Dalai Lama for almost five centuries. The 14th Dalai Lama now is very popular. Let us then finish with a popular Dalai Lama."Sounds like he doesn't take the whole reincarnation deally too seriously himself. :o I dunno, Dalai Enigma has a certain ring to it, doncha think? (puke) it´s just he dont want the chinese to zoom down on nr 15 like vultures... like they did on that 3 year old kid that disappeared...
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Post by sunshine on Sept 9, 2014 16:23:14 GMT -5
Yeah, the reason the volition issue keeps coming up is because lots of folks are needing to affirm it. Others are needing to avoid it or dismiss it as unimportant. There aren't too many who really don't care, cuz it hits pretty close to home. Are you sure you're not imagining things? as long as E. is in control of this subject, everything will be allright, truuuust me...
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Post by sunshine on Sept 9, 2014 14:12:01 GMT -5
i tired this with tzu, i ended up describing some noises in the library, like right now, some lads watching a girl online --being agitated, very funny apparently...some portuguese comedy show...,me seeing i may want to renew a bandage on my thumb, ...nothing more...all is well...cheerio... or i land in planet Tzu...described that as well...or planet Andrew,nice one...- as one immediately is in contact with all levels of vibration a person represents, the moment you contact him--her...but most here are COMPLETELY UNAWARE of that...(full of others,--wife, child, friend guru etc... or EGO-3 lower chakras-which blocks the unimpaired view of what ´´is actually happening´´(lol))and they go on and on and on about consciousness, enlightenment and what have you not... I'm totally on board with what you say about the chakra's and I agree that a lot of what has happened here in the last couple of years is the triggering of the second/third chakra...when you said it about a year ago, I looked, and could see it clearly in myself. Its a slight 'needling' of irritation, almost purely an energetic sense. Something interesting though. I also agree with what you say about meat/vegetables...I was a vegetarian for about 4/5 years, but then something odd happened this summer. The bodymind started to have trouble buying the kind of vegetables and vegetarian food that we had been eating. It literally became somewhat exhausting to try...and there was a complete dearth of inspiration, so we ended up just heating up ready meals for a while. There came a point when 'chicken' flashed into my mind. I rejected it for a while, but it kept coming back and coming back. With some level of trepidation, eventually I bought a chicken, which we ate with some difficulty. Over the period of the next few weeks we went backwards and forwards between meat and vegetables, until it became quite obvious that when we did eat vegetarian food, we felt ungrounded and somewhat tense. Whereas when we ate meat, although we didn't feel quite 'comfortable' eating it, afterwards we definitely felt more grounded, more relaxed. And there was a definite decrease in the triggering of my own 2nd/3rd chakra. I have a feeling that its to do with the root chakra....I am strong on crown and 3rd eye, perhaps too strong in a way...and the meat somehow strengthens the root and brings the body and energy more into balance. Its just a theory obviously, but I can say for sure that the meat at the moment is helpful for us as a family. Now I eat meat a lot...hell...I will eat ham/chicken for breakfast sometimes. Another interesting thing that I have been 'shown' is that marijuana might be good for me on occasion, however, I don't want to deal with the illegality of it so that won't be happening. To be clear, I do support what you say about meat and its relationship to health, but right now my situation is what it is. It goes to show what you said once about the individual nature of the process....didn't you say that one teacher recommended to someone that they would benefit from smoking cigarettes? Hi Andy...nice one about the chakra´s.... yes i get what yer saying..i had strange instances of ´´needing´´ meat,almost irresistable urge to go have a steak... i used to drive twice a year from *Portugal to Holland, about 1300 mile drive, i would get tired, but usually drive as far as i could..before taking a nap...it happened several times that i would want to have a schnitzel, (austrian steak)in a french roadside restaurant...i was, though 35 years vegetarian, never a fanatic about it, and gave in to the urge, though i always was puzzled where it came from...eventually i figured it out... i would get tired, so defenses somewhat down...also feeling ´´safe ´´ in the car (alone)---i would sometimes take byroutes ,offf highway...with little or no traffic...that is where i got the clue...i would get a truck behind me, sometimes during 20 minutes,big rig lorries who want to pass on curvy roads,(i used to drive just a mere 55 mph, trucks allowed to go little faster..).and then i would suddenly get sexual fantasies...a thing i stopped dwelling on long ago...then i realised it was resonance with the truck driver...haha...and then i realised the same thing happened with the meat thing... since then i started be more aware of surrounding influences...may be a tip for you... i wanted to react earlier about what you told about greenwich point..also resonance with others who had been there before..same surroundings, same kind of thoughts--and ´´click´´there you are(you´ll know how to place this comment,(may be sounds strange to othere here,cant help that now,) and you get connected with energies of others, and you have a job at hand of transforming , assisting... what may be happening you are reassessing your groundedness...may be connected to some strong entity, who will make you stronger in the long run, meat eating being a way to keep the connection. .it could also be an astral ´´vampire´´...then meat might continue the negative connection..up to you to figure it out...when you are a lightworker, there are lots of entities trying to mess things up...as they prefer darkness or halflight...read aurobindo on the subject, very ´´enlightening´´ i understand what you say about crown and eyechakra´s... i do not believe it has actually to do with a physical need for meat..but then maybe that you havent had enough b12 or omega 3 and 6, and since your postulate is to be in alignment with evolutionary forces, it may be a way to secure your kids against future ailments, possibly a mix of these two things...just some pointers about the grass thing--i find it enhances the feelings, focus gets more inward--i quit completely a few months ago and feel great...even though laws here are very lenient---i am looking for freedom, not dependence on a n y drug... as far as finding food is concerned, (rereading your post) the opposite happened to me..i remember complaining about not finding eco veggies here, and now i can buy them cheaper than the supermarket,and really nice tasting too...a catholic charity gone ´´eco´´ so yeah, no hard fixed rules, though one can say general things about food, and one must be aware where impulses come from...as there is no ´´I´´ , where they come from`? is it body? or some astral(´´vital´´ in aurobindo land)influence? take care
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