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Post by satchitananda on Dec 1, 2019 9:17:15 GMT -5
Awareness is not the creator because awareness is not a doer. If you think you are the limited personal self then you are the doer. If you know that you are Awareness then you are not the doer. Then who is the perceiving ? I am
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Post by andrew on Dec 1, 2019 9:25:32 GMT -5
Awareness is not the creator because awareness is not a doer. If you think you are the limited personal self then you are the doer. If you know that you are Awareness then you are not the doer. Then who is the perceiving ? There's only 2 choices i see if infinite Beingness that is 'God' is perceiving/aware, then there is no 'I am perceiving/am aware', there is just 'God is perceiving/aware'. if infinite Beingness that is 'God' is prior to perceiving/awareing, then 'I' as a human being is perceiving/aware.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 9:28:36 GMT -5
Then who is the perceiving ? I am I am = Awareness?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 9:30:05 GMT -5
Then who is the perceiving ? There's only 2 choices i see if infinite Beingness that is 'God' is perceiving/aware, then there is no 'I am perceiving/am aware', there is just 'God is perceiving/aware'. if infinite Beingness that is 'God' is prior to perceiving/awareing, then 'I' as a human being is perceiving/aware. If Infinite being is perceiving then you are that Infinite Being, aren't you?
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Post by satchitananda on Dec 1, 2019 9:31:43 GMT -5
No. I am is an object in Awareness, but at the same time it is no different to awareness.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 9:33:36 GMT -5
No. I am is an object in Awareness, but at the same time it is no different to awareness. So some kind of object which is arising in awareness is perceiving?
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Post by satchitananda on Dec 1, 2019 9:37:28 GMT -5
No. I am is an object in Awareness, but at the same time it is no different to awareness. So some kind of object which is arising in awareness is perceiving? There is just perceiving.
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Post by andrew on Dec 1, 2019 9:39:44 GMT -5
There's only 2 choices i see if infinite Beingness that is 'God' is perceiving/aware, then there is no 'I am perceiving/am aware', there is just 'God is perceiving/aware'. if infinite Beingness that is 'God' is prior to perceiving/awareing, then 'I' as a human being is perceiving/aware. If Infinite being is perceiving then you are that Infinite Being, aren't you? In terms of perceiving/being aware...no, because if I was 'infinite beingness', then I would be perceiving/aware of 'everything'. I'm not even perceiving/aware of what I was perceiving/aware of 2 moments ago.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 9:39:51 GMT -5
So some kind of object which is arising in awareness is perceiving? There is just perceiving. It's like Perception is perceiving other perceptions? BECAUSE Mr.I am is an arising object which is perceiving. Where did you get this ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 9:41:33 GMT -5
If Infinite being is perceiving then you are that Infinite Being, aren't you? In terms of perceiving/being aware...no, because if I was 'infinite beingness', then I would be perceiving/aware of 'everything'. I'm not even perceiving/aware of what I was perceiving/aware of 2 moments ago. What backs up your claim? what kind of Infinite being you know before that was perceiving everything together?
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Post by andrew on Dec 1, 2019 9:49:44 GMT -5
In terms of perceiving/being aware...no, because if I was 'infinite beingness', then I would be perceiving/aware of 'everything'. I'm not even perceiving/aware of what I was perceiving/aware of 2 moments ago. What backs up your claim? what kind of Infinite being you know before that was perceiving everything together? an infinite beingness that perceives would be perceiving 'everything' in apparent past, present and future, concurrently. Time doesn't exist at the level of infinite beingness. The experience of time (or 'time exists') is at the finite level.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 10:07:03 GMT -5
If Infinite being is perceiving then you are that Infinite Being, aren't you? In terms of perceiving/being aware...no, because if I was 'infinite beingness', then I would be perceiving/aware of 'everything'. I'm not even perceiving/aware of what I was perceiving/aware of 2 moments ago. So you don't know such thing to be true, If you don't know then it's a speculation.
Case Closed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 10:21:12 GMT -5
I thought you asked how is perception happening. It's happening because I am. So you are creating your perception? How can I create what already is?
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Post by roydop on Dec 1, 2019 10:27:07 GMT -5
You're all right, from different perspectives. Creation is the process of Awareness coming back onto itself. It's the only way because that's what has to happen when there's fundamentally only a singularity. www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS8v6jKPP68Something from nothing (potential becoming manifest of it's own accord).
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Post by satchitananda on Dec 1, 2019 10:27:25 GMT -5
There is just perceiving. It's like Perception is perceiving other perceptions? BECAUSE Mr.I am is an arising object which is perceiving. Where did you get this ?
When I Am (ego) arises, the world of perceived objects arises, but the real unbounded, non localized I which is awareness is merely the witness of that which arises.
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