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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 10:28:43 GMT -5
So you are creating your perception? How can I create what already is? You said " It's happening because I am. "
So I Interpreted as you are creating that perception, Did I understand you wrong?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 10:29:28 GMT -5
It's like Perception is perceiving other perceptions? BECAUSE Mr.I am is an arising object which is perceiving. Where did you get this ?
When I Am (ego) arises, the world of perceived objects arises, but the real unbounded, non localized I which is awareness is merely the witness of that which arises. If that's the case, then Awareness is is perceiving, right?
Witnessing=perceiving.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 10:36:10 GMT -5
How can I create what already is? You said " It's happening because I am. "
So I Interpreted as you are creating that perception, Did I understand you wrong?
If you sit with your field of perception now. If you breathe and feel exactly where you are. Tune in your senses. And breathe again... ...then that will suffice..
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Post by satchitananda on Dec 1, 2019 10:36:18 GMT -5
When I Am (ego) arises, the world of perceived objects arises, but the real unbounded, non localized I which is awareness is merely the witness of that which arises. If that's the case, then Awareness is is perceiving, right?
Witnessing=perceiving.
Let's assume that's correct. Awareness as witness is perceiver. A witness needs an object in order to be the witness. What happens to the witness when there is no object to perceive?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 10:37:05 GMT -5
If that's the case, then Awareness is is perceiving, right?
Witnessing=perceiving.
Let's assume that's correct. Awareness as witness is perceiver. A witness needs an object in order to be the witness. What happens to the witness when there is no object to perceive?There's never nothing happening..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 10:37:46 GMT -5
You said " It's happening because I am. "
So I Interpreted as you are creating that perception, Did I understand you wrong?
If you sit with your field of perception now. If you breathe and feel exactly where you are. Tune in your senses. And breathe again... ...then that will suffice.. Try to answer my question.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 10:39:14 GMT -5
If you sit with your field of perception now. If you breathe and feel exactly where you are. Tune in your senses. And breathe again... ...then that will suffice.. Try to answer my question. I did and that was the best I could do. If it's not enough, then.. it's just not enough.
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Post by satchitananda on Dec 1, 2019 10:40:45 GMT -5
Let's assume that's correct. Awareness as witness is perceiver. A witness needs an object in order to be the witness. What happens to the witness when there is no object to perceive?There's never nothing happening.. What about when you're in dreamless sleep?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 10:43:04 GMT -5
If that's the case, then Awareness is is perceiving, right?
Witnessing=perceiving.
Let's assume that's correct. Awareness as witness is perceiver. A witness needs an object in order to be the witness. What happens to the witness when there is no object to perceive? No, let's not assume anything, I don't want to go for some kind of assumption or speculation.
There you go! Now you are on the right track. Awareness as witness is perceiver. So you are perfectly right now.
Perfectly valid statement. Yes.
Since awareness nature is to be aware of something, it would not miss out the object at any point in time. So don't worry. Awareness would never be left with no object.
But now let's get back to our conversation where we left. What's creating that perception when your awareness is perceiving?
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Post by andrew on Dec 1, 2019 10:43:14 GMT -5
In terms of perceiving/being aware...no, because if I was 'infinite beingness', then I would be perceiving/aware of 'everything'. I'm not even perceiving/aware of what I was perceiving/aware of 2 moments ago. So you don't know such thing to be true, If you don't know then it's a speculation.
Case Closed.
I cannot prove there is an 'infinite beingness', that's true. It cannot be proved, it will never be a 'fact' in that sense. But isn't the whole point of spiritual investigation, to directly know/experience that which goes beyond the 'prove-able fact' realm?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 10:43:42 GMT -5
Try to answer my question. I did and that was the best I could do. If it's not enough, then.. it's just not enough. No problem. Thanks for trying as best as you can.
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Post by satchitananda on Dec 1, 2019 10:46:02 GMT -5
Since awareness nature is to be aware of something, it would not miss out the object at any point in time. So don't worry. Awareness would never be left with no object. That's not true.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 10:47:24 GMT -5
There's never nothing happening.. What about when you're in dreamless sleep? What happens to the witness in dreamless sleep is Enigma's speciality, not mine.
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Post by enigma on Dec 1, 2019 11:02:59 GMT -5
Creation and perception are the same. This is true in one sense! But let's dive bit deeply here.
Are you creating your perception or perceiving your perception? You are perfectly perceiving what's arising or you are in a passive witnessing mode, that's what you say you are the not doer,no?
If you are creating then you must be having freewill to certain sense,eh?
Both. That's what 'creation and perception are the same' means. What's the difference between perceiving what's arising, and passively witnessing? FWIW, the passive witness is a contrived mental state. There isn't really a passive witness. Creation does not imply free will. Free will implies mental activity, and the language of God is feeling.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 11:05:54 GMT -5
Since awareness nature is to be aware of something, it would not miss out the object at any point in time. So don't worry. Awareness would never be left with no object. That's not true. Okay, then I will allow you to answer me
You said
Then you asked me the question
What's the answer to your question then?
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