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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 4:30:37 GMT -5
If they are the same, in other words, two words which have the same meaning, then I prefer to use only one word and that is appearance. They don't have the same meaning, which is why I can point out that ultimately they refer to the same process. Glad you've embraced the 'appearance' term.Yeah, but, that embrace is just an appearance.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 4:31:55 GMT -5
An appearance that has only recently appeared. Recently appeared was created already. But what's appearing is being created and that's the creation. How can you be certain of that?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 4:33:32 GMT -5
Creator implies an entity and those can't be found. So yes, creation is just what seems to have appeared. No no! Something or nothing or whatever it is that has to create it, otherwise how come something can simply appear? What is that which is creating your perception?I am.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 4:44:46 GMT -5
No no! Something or nothing or whatever it is that has to create it, otherwise how come something can simply appear? What is that which is creating your perception?I am. So that means you are the doer? You have the freedom to create whatever perception you want?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 5:11:43 GMT -5
So that means you are the doer? You have the freedom to create whatever perception you want? I thought you asked how is perception happening. It's happening because I am.
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Post by laughter on Dec 1, 2019 5:35:18 GMT -5
Do you think an appearance is a creation? Ah, the ol' semantics play, in combination with redirection. Classic. Similar to "the more things change the more they stay the same" .. is .. "ain't nothing new under the Sun".
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Post by tenka on Dec 1, 2019 6:35:05 GMT -5
Logic has no part to play here. Logic is just for the mind. I am just confirming whether you believe that way. I am just confirming whether you believe that way?
Because you said you are not a doer, you can't agree with me now that awareness is the creator, If awareness is not the creator , then who is creating the perception in your awareness? You know nothing exist other awareness, eh?
There is only what you are, so only what you are creates, or does this or does that, or doesn't do anything .. Problems arise when what you are tries to say what that is primarily .. When what you are experiences the mind-body construct what you are experiences that, what you are creates a lifetime's with of memories, what you are experiences personal love and tastes ice cream .. What you are beyond the mind-body experience won't have a thought about who does what or what beer tastes like . The mistake made as I see it is for those that compare what you are beyond with what you are that is present . When this happens one can say there is no-one here and what is here isn't doing anything .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 8:21:59 GMT -5
So that means you are the doer? You have the freedom to create whatever perception you want? I thought you asked how is perception happening. It's happening because I am. So you are creating your perception?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 8:29:21 GMT -5
I am just confirming whether you believe that way. I am just confirming whether you believe that way?
Because you said you are not a doer, you can't agree with me now that awareness is the creator, If awareness is not the creator , then who is creating the perception in your awareness? You know nothing exist other awareness, eh?
There is only what you are, so only what you are creates, or does this or does that, or doesn't do anything .. Problems arise when what you are tries to say what that is primarily .. When what you are experiences the mind-body construct what you are experiences that, what you are creates a lifetime's with of memories, what you are experiences personal love and tastes ice cream .. What you are beyond the mind-body experience won't have a thought about who does what or what beer tastes like . The mistake made as I see it is for those that compare what you are beyond with what you are that is present . When this happens one can say there is no-one here and what is here isn't doing anything . Okay, so you say What You Are creates your perception,right? The problem we have been discussing here is, how it can perceives while simultaneously it involves in the creation of the same perception.
I have been arguing with Satch so far. He gets confused because he has been saying so far that he is not the doer but now he doesn't know whether he is the doer or not.
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Post by tenka on Dec 1, 2019 9:02:16 GMT -5
There is only what you are, so only what you are creates, or does this or does that, or doesn't do anything .. Problems arise when what you are tries to say what that is primarily .. When what you are experiences the mind-body construct what you are experiences that, what you are creates a lifetime's with of memories, what you are experiences personal love and tastes ice cream .. What you are beyond the mind-body experience won't have a thought about who does what or what beer tastes like . The mistake made as I see it is for those that compare what you are beyond with what you are that is present . When this happens one can say there is no-one here and what is here isn't doing anything . Okay, so you say What You Are creates your perception,right? The problem we have been discussing here is, how it can perceives while simultaneously it involves in the creation of the same perception.
I have been arguing with Satch so far. He gets confused because he has been saying so far that he is not the doer but now he doesn't know whether he is the doer or not.
I don’t prescribe to the creation equals perception premise as you do so I don’t have any confusion in this regard. What we are perceives the creation of the earth plane via the creation of a physical mind body that entertains the senses as part of it’s creation. I have always rejected that perceiving the moon as an example is also creating the moon at the same time, it’s not something that is Truthy nor is it realised .. So all we have here is a theory that has been created as a foundation that makes no sense to me and becomes problematic in ways that you are experiencing.
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Post by satchitananda on Dec 1, 2019 9:04:12 GMT -5
I have been arguing with Satch so far. He gets confused because he has been saying so far that he is not the doer but now he doesn't know whether he is the doer or not. I never said that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 9:07:08 GMT -5
Okay, so you say What You Are creates your perception,right? The problem we have been discussing here is, how it can perceives while simultaneously it involves in the creation of the same perception.
I have been arguing with Satch so far. He gets confused because he has been saying so far that he is not the doer but now he doesn't know whether he is the doer or not.
I don’t prescribe to the creation equals perception premise as you do so I don’t have any confusion in this regard. What we are perceives the creation of the earth plane via the creation of a physical mind body that entertains the senses as part of it’s creation. I have always rejected that perceiving the moon as an example is also creating the moon at the same time, it’s not something that is Truthy nor is it realised .. So all we have here is a theory that has been created as a foundation that makes no sense to me and becomes problematic in ways that you are experiencing. Sure.You are right here that you should not be having this problem when you believe in objective reality. This problem is for the people those who believe that universe exist only in perception.
Yes, exactly.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 9:09:02 GMT -5
I have been arguing with Satch so far. He gets confused because he has been saying so far that he is not the doer but now he doesn't know whether he is the doer or not. I never said that. You clearly stated that you don't know whether awareness is the creator of those perceptions which you are perceiving, what does that mean? You don't know whether you are a doer. Correct?
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Post by satchitananda on Dec 1, 2019 9:13:46 GMT -5
You clearly stated that you don't know whether awareness is the creator of those perceptions which you are perceiving, what does that mean? You don't know whether you are a doer. Correct? Awareness is not the creator because awareness is not a doer. If you think you are the limited personal self then you are the doer. If you know that you are Awareness then you are not the doer.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 9:16:04 GMT -5
You clearly stated that you don't know whether awareness is the creator of those perceptions which you are perceiving, what does that mean? You don't know whether you are a doer. Correct? Awareness is not the creator because awareness is not a doer. If you think you are the limited personal self then you are the doer. If you know that you are Awareness then you are not the doer. Then who is the perceiving ?
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