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Mar 12, 2019 21:41:56 GMT -5
Post by enigma on Mar 12, 2019 21:41:56 GMT -5
The goal of SR is not to stop feeling, Which I suspect you can appreciate, or to stop feeling 'bad' feelings, the labeling of which is entirely ego driven. Given that, feelings arise unadulterated, as pure feeling without the judgment. It doesn't require a 'me identification' in order to engage and to feel in response to experience happening, and so all 'pure' feelings are felt and enjoyed. Feelings such as rage and terror will not arise, not because they are not good feelings, but because they are not real feelings. They are creative overlays of the mind in turmoil. So awareness or E feels compassion for the beat dog, unadulterated compassion or is compasion not a real feeling? To the extent that compassion is an outpouring of Love, it is genuine. There is a compassion for others that originates in empathy. This is a distortion which is uniquely self centered. Responding to illusion as though it were actual is not the correct response to suffering. ***feeling the noose tighten a bit***
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Post by krsnaraja on Mar 12, 2019 21:46:18 GMT -5
I hate to use ocean as a metaphor for this Whole thing. And I is just a drop of that ocean /wholeness. I like to say, New York City as replacement metaphor substitute for ocean I am a New Yorker trying to earn a living, enjoying life in this ocean. I go to the top of the Empire Estate building and view the vastness of this ocean New York which I can't become the whole of New York unless the people of New York elect me as Mayor of New York City. Ha, it really doesn't matter what metaphor we use, the metaphor isn't that which IS, but yea, I like the New York metaphor, but really who wants to be mayor of new York city lol. Everyone wanted to be Mayor of New York City prior to 911. 😎
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Mar 12, 2019 21:57:54 GMT -5
Post by enigma on Mar 12, 2019 21:57:54 GMT -5
So awareness or E feels compassion for the beat dog, unadulterated compassion or is compasion not a real feeling? Here's a concrete example. If I'm watching a movie. I can get quite riled about a beat dog, because I suspend disbelief and engage in the story, or I can disengage and say it's just a movie and the emotions disappear. There are no emotions if there is no buy in, pure or otherwise. Yes, there are no distortions of mind if there is no 'buy in'. Here's something that may never have been discussed before (HA!); There may be less interest in certain kinds of movies that require a suspension of disbelief and a sense of being drawn into the scenarios and identifying with the characters. Horror movies and films designed to create feelings of deep sadness may have no impact at all to one who is fully conscious.
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Mar 12, 2019 22:12:01 GMT -5
Post by enigma on Mar 12, 2019 22:12:01 GMT -5
Here's a concrete example. If I'm watching a movie. I can get quite riled about a beat dog, because I suspend disbelief and engage in the story, or I can disengage and say it's just a movie and the emotions disappear. There are no emotions if there is no buy in, pure or otherwise. No one watches a movie in order to disengage from the story and characters. Zazeniac does!
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Post by enigma on Mar 12, 2019 22:13:58 GMT -5
No one watches a movie in order to disengage from the story and characters. Agreed and no onee eats french fries with carrots.
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Mar 12, 2019 22:19:15 GMT -5
Post by enigma on Mar 12, 2019 22:19:15 GMT -5
Here's a concrete example. If I'm watching a movie. I can get quite riled about a beat dog, because I suspend disbelief and engage in the story, or I can disengage and say it's just a movie and the emotions disappear. There are no emotions if there is no buy in, pure or otherwise. The history of stoicism is really interesting to me for two reasons. One is that it's an orientation toward the world that is essentially woven into the tapestry of our culture, so that we don't even notice it. It's sort of taken for granted. The other reason is because I suspect that at its genesis is a truly enlightened person or persons who did their best to sort of institutionalize some of the aspects of their enlightenment. Someone should print up a "Mission Accomplished" banner. The difference between someone realized and not is that there is no suppression of emotions, but yet, much less of a chance of the tail wagging the dog. People being people, losing oneself in a rabbit-warren of our own creation is always possible, but a realized peep never gets lost down there for good.Because he always carries spare batteries for the lighted rabbit ears.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 22:19:50 GMT -5
On that note, I watched the movie "Free Solo" yesterday, and found it really interesting how the dude was clearly not afraid of death and yet was still completely and totally driven by the idea of 'being perfect.' So yeah....seemingly that fear of death CAN go, and one still not be SR. But it's a movie, right? I'm having trouble reconciling not caring if one lives or dies, and at the same time needing to live perfectly. Wouldn't both concerns fall away simultaneously? It IS a movie, but a documentary...so the dude is not an actor. But yeah, I would have figured both concerns would fall away simultaneously too. But it really seems as though this guy is ok with the idea of death as he's climbing, rope free. Have a gander if you have time.
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Mar 12, 2019 22:21:11 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 22:21:11 GMT -5
It's very cool when you can actually see both like that. .... Or let them play mom to a couple of teenagers for a week. I would likely turn into a child abuser and Maniac would have to loathe me. LOL!!!
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Mar 12, 2019 22:22:27 GMT -5
Post by enigma on Mar 12, 2019 22:22:27 GMT -5
That's just too cryptic. Have you ever eaten a french fries sandwich? Savage. You would be too if you lived in the deep woods and stalked hikers for fun.
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Mar 12, 2019 22:26:29 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 22:26:29 GMT -5
So awareness or E feels compassion for the beat dog, unadulterated compassion or is compasion not a real feeling? To the extent that compassion is an outpouring of Love, it is genuine. There is a compassion for others that originates in empathy. This is a distortion which is uniquely self centered. Responding to illusion as though it were actual is not the correct response to suffering. ***feeling the noose tighten a bit*** Really, really well said. There is great clarity behind that post....but yeah....I hear ya on the noose tightening bit!
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Mar 12, 2019 22:32:29 GMT -5
Post by siftingtothetruth on Mar 12, 2019 22:32:29 GMT -5
Yes, there are no distortions of mind if there is no 'buy in'. Here's something that may never have been discussed before (HA!); There may be less interest in certain kinds of movies that require a suspension of disbelief and a sense of being drawn into the scenarios and identifying with the characters. Horror movies and films designed to create feelings of deep sadness may have no impact at all to one who is fully conscious. Yes, I like this line of thinking. I think it goes along, too, with a flipside -- that self-realization drops the amount of joy you get from all kinds of activities that get their joy kick primarily from satisfying some psychological craving. What's heightened is the joy of pure simple sense experience and maybe the joy of refined art and science. But generally, when one is immersed in the happiness of the Self, it simply isn't possible for other things to be as separately pleasurable anymore.
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Mar 13, 2019 1:31:03 GMT -5
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Why? From the dualistic point of view The Self refers to the Atma. Atma is one with the Paramatma (Super Self). Both are situated in the heart of all living beings. The Atma moves the body like the driver manuevring a car. The Paramatma who is seated beside the Atma gives proper instructions to the Atma as to how this body /car should be driven. If the Atma abides by the instructions from the Paramatma, well and good. If not, there's the possibility the body /car bumps into another body /car. The Atma suffers the consequence from the accident. The Paramatma seated next to the driver /Atma is not affected. If by chance the Atma /driver awakens that he's not the body /car but spirit-self then he liberates himself from the bondage of having to drive a body /car. Awakened, the Atma gets out from the body /car and starts walking home back to God with the Paramatma (the eternal companion) . The idea of a Self implies that God is personal. When one realizes what they are, there is nothing to grab onto to make it personal. You are wholeness. The person is a fragmentation of that wholeness. You've already sliced Wholeness to make it what "You are".. and now you wanna slice it again to make it a person. Fascinating.
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Mar 13, 2019 4:07:44 GMT -5
Post by laughter on Mar 13, 2019 4:07:44 GMT -5
So awareness or E feels compassion for the beat dog, unadulterated compassion or is compasion not a real feeling? To the extent that compassion is an outpouring of Love, it is genuine. There is a compassion for others that originates in empathy. This is a distortion which is uniquely self centered. Responding to illusion as though it were actual is not the correct response to suffering. ***feeling the noose tighten a bit*** Callous, uncaring, cruel frog. Please excuse me while I go inventory the torches and the pitchforks.
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Mar 13, 2019 4:11:59 GMT -5
Post by laughter on Mar 13, 2019 4:11:59 GMT -5
No one watches a movie in order to disengage from the story and characters. Zazeniac does! Well no, he didn't say he watched specifically to disengage, just that sometimes, he does.
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Mar 13, 2019 4:12:56 GMT -5
Post by laughter on Mar 13, 2019 4:12:56 GMT -5
The history of stoicism is really interesting to me for two reasons. One is that it's an orientation toward the world that is essentially woven into the tapestry of our culture, so that we don't even notice it. It's sort of taken for granted. The other reason is because I suspect that at its genesis is a truly enlightened person or persons who did their best to sort of institutionalize some of the aspects of their enlightenment. Someone should print up a "Mission Accomplished" banner. The difference between someone realized and not is that there is no suppression of emotions, but yet, much less of a chance of the tail wagging the dog. People being people, losing oneself in a rabbit-warren of our own creation is always possible, but a realized peep never gets lost down there for good.Because he always carries spare batteries for the lighted rabbit ears. Hey. Not all of us have that infallible amphibian night vision. ok?
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