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Mar 14, 2019 18:20:50 GMT -5
Post by enigma on Mar 14, 2019 18:20:50 GMT -5
So, sometimes you are wholeness and sometimes you are fragmented? I never claim I am wholeness. I am a part of that wholeness. Why are you wholeness? Because there is only Wholeness. That's what the whole oneness thingy is about.
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Mar 14, 2019 18:25:55 GMT -5
Post by krsnaraja on Mar 14, 2019 18:25:55 GMT -5
I never claim I am wholeness. I am a part of that wholeness. Why are you wholeness? Because there is only Wholeness. That's what the whole oneness thingy is about. Ah, Okay. That's your opinion.
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Post by satchitananda on Mar 14, 2019 20:41:01 GMT -5
I never claim I am wholeness. I am a part of that wholeness. Why are you wholeness? Because there is only Wholeness. That's what the whole oneness thingy is about. The wholeness also appears as the many which includes the entity that is the rock climber who doesn't want to fall off the ledge. In Step 1, through inquiry, the egoic I disappears to reveal the formless substratum of awareness and we can say, this is what I really am, not the changing phenomena and limited self which appears from it. We discriminate between them and treat the unchanging as somehow separate from the changing. Then later in Step 2 with integration you can realize it's all the same thing, there is only unity or wholeness. So even what appears is what you are. In a conceptual discussion if you want to talk about Step 1 then anyone can jump in and say, no it's really Step 2 which is the Reality, but if the discussion is Step 2 then anyone can jump in and say, no it's Step 1, you are not changing phenomena which includes the experience of limited self. It's the Two Step shuffle.
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Mar 14, 2019 22:06:42 GMT -5
Post by enigma on Mar 14, 2019 22:06:42 GMT -5
What is being called an entity is an intellectual impulse within the human network that wishes it were real. Although such a wish can be temporarily granted, it must be known for certain that it will never have any permanent existence. I don't think anyone "wishes" that selfhood were real. It's more a matter of unconsciously assuming that selfhood is real due to culturally-reinforced conditioning. The human mind is a distinction-making mechanism, and as a child grows, it distinguishes more and more sets of boundaries defining things. At first the things are objects, but gradually the things become more and more abstract (energy, space, time, beauty, etc.) The child's family, friends, and entire culture reinforce the belief in the independent nature of things, so the child never questions the meta-reality conjured up by the intellect. The naming of separate things simply solidifies the idea of separateness. It's only when THIS, as manifested by particular humans, becomes curious about existential issues, or suffers sufficient psychological pain, that the search for truth begins. Zackly
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Mar 14, 2019 22:12:16 GMT -5
Post by enigma on Mar 14, 2019 22:12:16 GMT -5
I don't think anyone "wishes" that selfhood were real. It's more a matter of unconsciously assuming that selfhood is real due to culturally-reinforced conditioning. The human mind is a distinction-making mechanism, and as a child grows, it distinguishes more and more sets of boundaries defining things. At first the things are objects, but gradually the things become more and more abstract (energy, space, time, beauty, etc.) The child's family, friends, and entire culture reinforce the belief in the independent nature of things, so the child never questions the meta-reality conjured up by the intellect. The naming of separate things simply solidifies the idea of separateness. It's only when THIS, as manifested by particular humans, becomes curious about existential issues, or suffers sufficient psychological pain, that the search for truth begins. The self wishes it were real. That's the core of the Enigma's Pinocchio reference. There is simply the belief that the self IS real, which forms quite naturally. When that belief falls away, there is no self to wish such a thing.
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Mar 14, 2019 22:21:58 GMT -5
Post by enigma on Mar 14, 2019 22:21:58 GMT -5
Because there is only Wholeness. That's what the whole oneness thingy is about. Ah, Okay. That's your opinion. You believe there is oneness, and then something else?
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Mar 14, 2019 22:55:45 GMT -5
Post by enigma on Mar 14, 2019 22:55:45 GMT -5
Because there is only Wholeness. That's what the whole oneness thingy is about. The wholeness also appears as the many which includes the entity that is the rock climber who doesn't want to fall off the ledge. In Step 1, through inquiry, the egoic I disappears to reveal the formless substratum of awareness and we can say, this is what I really am, not the changing phenomena and limited self which appears from it. We discriminate between them and treat the unchanging as somehow separate from the changing. Then later in Step 2 with integration you can realize it's all the same thing, there is only unity or wholeness. So even what appears is what you are. In a conceptual discussion if you want to talk about Step 1 then anyone can jump in and say, no it's really Step 2 which is the Reality, but if the discussion is Step 2 then anyone can jump in and say, no it's Step 1, you are not changing phenomena which includes the experience of limited self. It's the Two Step shuffle. It does appear that way, which is not to say there are parts to wholeness.
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Mar 15, 2019 15:17:07 GMT -5
Post by stardustpilgrim on Mar 15, 2019 15:17:07 GMT -5
A description of the why of what we experience.
Assumptions are deeply physiological ... electrical, in fact. They are not just abstract ideas or concepts. They are physical things in your brain, with their own sort of physical "laws". This is what one could call the neuroscience of bias. The reality we see projected on the "screen" of perception begins with the flow of information our five senses take in. This stimulus creates a series of impulses at your receptors that move into your brain (the input), becoming distributed across the different parts of your cortex and other areas of your brain until they eventually settle on activating a response (motor and/or perceptual) That is basically the whole of neuroscience in one sentence, with an emphasis on "basically". Perception is nothing more than a complex reflex arc, not unlike that which causes your leg to kick out when the doctor hits your patellar tendon underneath your kneecap. At bottom, our lives are nothing more than millions and millions of sequential knee-jerk reflexive responses.
What you experience at any moment is just a stable pattern of electrical activity distributed throughout your brain-an unromantic view of perception, but it is nevertheless roughly accurate. Over the course of your life, the electrical patterns generated in your brain in response to stimuli become ever more "stable", which is called an attractor state in physics. Dunes in the desert are an example of an attractor state, as are whirlpools in a river.Even our galaxy is an attractor state. They all represent emergent, stable patterns that arise from the interactions of many individual elements over time. In this sense, they have their own stable energy state, or momentum (in that they cane be difficult to shift), that is most natural to continue in (though brain states of children are not as stable as those of adults). What evolution does is to select some attractor states or, more accurately, a sequence of attractor states-as more useful than others.
Electrical patterns are created by the neural pathways that link the different parts of the brain...a staggeringly complex, sprawling superhighway of connectivity that is your brains infrastructure. These patterns make some behaviors and thoughts very probable, and others not. Studies have shown that the more connectivity you have in this superhighway, the more likely you are to have more diverse and complex assumptions (e.g., stronger vocabulary and memory skills). Yet in spite of the brain's prolific interconnections and the importance of these interconnections in your perceptions, the number of neuroelectrical pulses that your perception actually entertains and uses throughout its life is very small. That is, relatively speaking, because their potential is nearly infinite. pgs 157, 158 Deviate, The Science of Seeing Differently, Beau Lotto, 2017
my emphasis, the rest by Lotto
Everything you see, touch, taste, smell, hear, think and feel, is "funneled through" and crafted by your brain-body. You never have direct contract with reality. And context is everything.
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Mar 17, 2019 17:15:29 GMT -5
Post by krsnaraja on Mar 17, 2019 17:15:29 GMT -5
A description of the why of what we experience. Assumptions are deeply physiological ... electrical, in fact. They are not just abstract ideas or concepts. They are physical things in your brain, with their own sort of physical "laws". This is what one could call the neuroscience of bias. The reality we see projected on the "screen" of perception begins with the flow of information our five senses take in. This stimulus creates a series of impulses at your receptors that move into your brain (the input), becoming distributed across the different parts of your cortex and other areas of your brain until they eventually settle on activating a response (motor and/or perceptual) That is basically the whole of neuroscience in one sentence, with an emphasis on "basically". Perception is nothing more than a complex reflex arc, not unlike that which causes your leg to kick out when the doctor hits your patellar tendon underneath your kneecap. At bottom, our lives are nothing more than millions and millions of sequential knee-jerk reflexive responses. What you experience at any moment is just a stable pattern of electrical activity distributed throughout your brain-an unromantic view of perception, but it is nevertheless roughly accurate. Over the course of your life, the electrical patterns generated in your brain in response to stimuli become ever more "stable", which is called an attractor state in physics. Dunes in the desert are an example of an attractor state, as are whirlpools in a river.Even our galaxy is an attractor state. They all represent emergent, stable patterns that arise from the interactions of many individual elements over time. In this sense, they have their own stable energy state, or momentum (in that they cane be difficult to shift), that is most natural to continue in (though brain states of children are not as stable as those of adults). What evolution does is to select some attractor states or, more accurately, a sequence of attractor states-as more useful than others. Electrical patterns are created by the neural pathways that link the different parts of the brain...a staggeringly complex, sprawling superhighway of connectivity that is your brains infrastructure. These patterns make some behaviors and thoughts very probable, and others not. Studies have shown that the more connectivity you have in this superhighway, the more likely you are to have more diverse and complex assumptions (e.g., stronger vocabulary and memory skills). Yet in spite of the brain's prolific interconnections and the importance of these interconnections in your perceptions, the number of neuroelectrical pulses that your perception actually entertains and uses throughout its life is very small. That is, relatively speaking, because their potential is nearly infinite. pgs 157, 158 Deviate, The Science of Seeing Differently, Beau Lotto, 2017 my emphasis, the rest by Lotto Everything you see, touch, taste, smell, hear, think and feel, is "funneled through" and crafted by your brain-body. You never have direct contract with reality. And context is everything. In the Narada Pancaratra it says that all Vedic literatures, Vedic rituals, Vedic conclusions are summarized into only 8 words, Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Hare. Why?
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Apr 28, 2019 16:15:22 GMT -5
Post by bluey on Apr 28, 2019 16:15:22 GMT -5
Absolutely. You can read books on masters and see sages on batgap. And come away with the impression that butter doesn't melt in their mouths or they are sitting on a mountain top untouched When I fell awake being with different teachers after I could see yes im in That but I also have effed up parts. Now twenty years later it seems less so. But like today at work a customer really pissed me off on one level but I could also see the play on another level. It's very cool when you can actually see both like that. ....Or let them play mom to a couple of teenagers for a week. Yes some customers do p u off. Imagine sages who want to kick a seekers head in 😂 I'm sure they come across the odd one ☝️ And then like a duck who flutters its wings when confronted with a situation it just lets it all go too. No use projecting an image of a sage who smiles at all that's thrown at him or her. I'm sure the when the cup overflows in certain incidents they have their say and let it go too. I do. That's for sure.
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