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Post by krsnaraja on Mar 2, 2019 17:13:01 GMT -5
A sane person uses the crescent moon mind of Lord Siva A lunatic uses the full moon. That body should be confined in the mental hospital.
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Post by krsnaraja on Mar 2, 2019 18:37:41 GMT -5
If the moon is Consciousness? It's the mind of Lord Siva. This what Sri Sri Ravi Shankar has to say, "Shiva Tattva is where there is no mind and the moon signifies the mind. When there is no mind then how can this ‘no mindedness’ be expressed and how can anybody understand it? You need a little bit of the mind to understand, experience and to express. The no-mind, infinite consciousness requires that little bit of mind to express itself in the manifest world. So, to express that inexpressible, that little mind (crescent moon) is on the head. Wisdom is beyond the mind, but it needs to be expressed with a tinge of mind and this is symbolized by the crescent moon." So, what does this mean to "you"? I pretty much see it as an explanation of what is expressed here. Mind/movement cannot comprehend the ineffable/stillness/infinite consciousness, so the discussions are ultimately geared toward unmasking unconscious beliefs/aspects of movement born of the ignorance of mind that obscure realization of or taint the pointers at That/This (infinite consciousness). Infinite consciousness manifests mind (finite change). Peeps always try to use mind to reason out what the Infinite is. The mind would like to understand it all, usually for the unconscious purposes of worldly power or control (there are many symptoms of this). The good news is that it doesn't need to, but it rarely wants to hear that for any number of its reasons. Infinite consciousness is always with us. It can not be describe in any word or language. But it can be felt. We get to have a glimpse of infinite consciousness through what the mind produces. Then we can study from here what infinite consciousness has to say. Mystics tell the first sound of that infinite consciousness is Aum. I say the first manifestation of that infinite consciousness are the cries of the newborn, "Uha! Uha! Uha!" The words later evolved into, "Ma! Ma!Ma! " Further more the words evolved into more complex words. I know words are illusory because it does not describe fully well the infinite consciousness. We can go on and on inventing words to come close in knowing this and that, stillness, infinite consciousness, the flow, the presence whatever. But never in your lifetime you can breech it. These discussions of the absolute truth never ends. I been here before. When I came back you're still at it.
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Post by laughter on Mar 2, 2019 23:43:45 GMT -5
So, what does this mean to "you"? I pretty much see it as an explanation of what is expressed here. Mind/movement cannot comprehend the ineffable/stillness/infinite consciousness, so the discussions are ultimately geared toward unmasking unconscious beliefs/aspects of movement born of the ignorance of mind that obscure realization of or taint the pointers at That/This (infinite consciousness). Infinite consciousness manifests mind (finite change). Peeps always try to use mind to reason out what the Infinite is. The mind would like to understand it all, usually for the unconscious purposes of worldly power or control (there are many symptoms of this). The good news is that it doesn't need to, but it rarely wants to hear that for any number of its reasons. Infinite consciousness is always with us. It can not be describe in any word or language. But it can be felt. We get to have a glimpse of infinite consciousness through what the mind produces. Then we can study from here what infinite consciousness has to say. Mystics tell the first sound of that infinite consciousness is Aum. I say the first manifestation of that infinite consciousness are the cries of the newborn, "Uha! Uha! Uha!" The words later evolved into, "Ma! Ma!Ma! " Further more the words evolved into more complex words. I know words are illusory because it does not describe fully well the infinite consciousness. We can go on and on inventing words to come close in knowing this and that, stillness, infinite consciousness, the flow, the presence whatever. But never in your lifetime you can breech it. These discussions of the absolute truth never ends. I been here before. When I came back you're still at it. Why do you think it is that these discussions of the absolute truth never end?
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Post by krsnaraja on Mar 2, 2019 23:58:12 GMT -5
Infinite consciousness is always with us. It can not be describe in any word or language. But it can be felt. We get to have a glimpse of infinite consciousness through what the mind produces. Then we can study from here what infinite consciousness has to say. Mystics tell the first sound of that infinite consciousness is Aum. I say the first manifestation of that infinite consciousness are the cries of the newborn, "Uha! Uha! Uha!" The words later evolved into, "Ma! Ma!Ma! " Further more the words evolved into more complex words. I know words are illusory because it does not describe fully well the infinite consciousness. We can go on and on inventing words to come close in knowing this and that, stillness, infinite consciousness, the flow, the presence whatever. But never in your lifetime you can breech it. These discussions of the absolute truth never ends. I been here before. When I came back you're still at it. Why do you think it is that these discussions of the absolute truth never end? Unless the Absolute Truth appears before this forum spontaneously, instantaneously, for all to see, the discussion ends. Since the Absolute Truth has no way of appearing itself in this forum, all discussions regarding it are only speculations. Unlike duality devotees of the Absolute Truth, the discussions end with worship and praise.
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Post by laughter on Mar 3, 2019 2:30:30 GMT -5
Why do you think it is that these discussions of the absolute truth never end? Unless the Absolute Truth appears before this forum spontaneously, instantaneously, for all to see, the discussion ends. Since the Absolute Truth has no way of appearing itself in this forum, all discussions regarding it are only speculations. Unlike duality devotees of the Absolute Truth, the discussions end with worship and praise. Have you considered the possibility that not everyone who points to that truth is speculating about it?
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Post by krsnaraja on Mar 3, 2019 4:43:48 GMT -5
Unless the Absolute Truth appears before this forum spontaneously, instantaneously, for all to see, the discussion ends. Since the Absolute Truth has no way of appearing itself in this forum, all discussions regarding it are only speculations. Unlike duality devotees of the Absolute Truth, the discussions end with worship and praise. Have you considered the possibility that not everyone who points to that truth is speculating about it? Reminds me of asking for directions where to find the place we were looking but could not locate it. Every person we stopped pointed us to that place with their chins. They would say "It's there around 1 kilometer." After reaching what was pointed at it was still further away. I guess there are some in this forum pointing at the truth. On arrival, the truth is nowhere. They point that it's still further up ahead.
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Post by andrew on Mar 3, 2019 4:48:44 GMT -5
Have you considered the possibility that not everyone who points to that truth is speculating about it? Reminds me of asking for directions where to find the place we were looking but could not locate it. Every person we stopped pointed us to that place with their chins. They would say "It's there around 1 kilometer." After reaching what was pointed at it was still further away. I guess there are some in this forum pointing at the truth. On arrival, the truth is nowhere. They point it's still further up ahead. Teachers point because they're still seeking 'it' themselves. That's not to say that they are useless, they are not the blind leading the blind. They have great insight and valuable experience, it's just that they're not finished with the interest (or it's not finished with them). Simply, they are interested in 'it', and all interest is seeking. They might have that interest their whole lives and be great teachers.
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Post by krsnaraja on Mar 3, 2019 5:01:08 GMT -5
Reminds me of asking for directions where to find the place we were looking but could not locate it. Every person we stopped pointed us to that place with their chins. They would say "It's there around 1 kilometer." After reaching what was pointed at it was still further away. I guess there are some in this forum pointing at the truth. On arrival, the truth is nowhere. They point it's still further up ahead. Teachers point because they're still seeking 'it' themselves. That's not to say that they are useless, they are not the blind leading the blind. They have great insight and valuable experience, it's just that they're not finished with the interest (or it's not finished with them). Simply, they are interested in 'it', and all interest is seeking. They might have that interest their whole lives and be great teachers. For Duality devotees the Absolute Truth is already found. He's Krsna, Christ, Buddha, Yahweh, Allah. The Absolute Truth is called by many names. For Non - Duality devotees these names are illusory. They don't point to Absolute Truth. So, they search further for that which is Absolute. Yet they don't seem to find it. While Duality devotees end their search with praise and worship. For Non - Duality devotees their pointing at the Absolute Truth never ends. Because they can't exactly locate it.
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Post by andrew on Mar 3, 2019 5:10:43 GMT -5
Teachers point because they're still seeking 'it' themselves. That's not to say that they are useless, they are not the blind leading the blind. They have great insight and valuable experience, it's just that they're not finished with the interest (or it's not finished with them). Simply, they are interested in 'it', and all interest is seeking. They might have that interest their whole lives and be great teachers. For Duality devotees the Absolute Truth is already found. He's Krsna, Christ, Buddha, Yahweh, Allah. The Absolute Truth is called by many names. For Non - Duality devotees these names are illusory. They don't point to Absolute Truth. So, they search further for that which is Absolute. Yet they don't seem to find it. While Duality devotees end their search with praise and worship. For Non - Duality devotees their pointing at the Absolute Truth never ends. Because they can't exactly locate it. I think the praise and worship is a seeking/interest as well as a praise and worship. It's not so different in this regard to non-duality. Tolle has said, when asked what his daily routine looks like, that he spends time being still, and 'loving Being'. In its own way, this is praise/worship.
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Post by krsnaraja on Mar 3, 2019 5:18:22 GMT -5
For Duality devotees the Absolute Truth is already found. He's Krsna, Christ, Buddha, Yahweh, Allah. The Absolute Truth is called by many names. For Non - Duality devotees these names are illusory. They don't point to Absolute Truth. So, they search further for that which is Absolute. Yet they don't seem to find it. While Duality devotees end their search with praise and worship. For Non - Duality devotees their pointing at the Absolute Truth never ends. Because they can't exactly locate it. I think the praise and worship is a seeking/interest as well as a praise and worship. It's not so different in this regard to non-duality. Tolle has said, when asked what his daily routine looks like, that he spends time being still, and 'loving Being'. In its own way, this is praise/worship. Non - Dualists E. g. Tolle end their search by praising and worshiping their selves.
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Post by andrew on Mar 3, 2019 5:45:51 GMT -5
I think the praise and worship is a seeking/interest as well as a praise and worship. It's not so different in this regard to non-duality. Tolle has said, when asked what his daily routine looks like, that he spends time being still, and 'loving Being'. In its own way, this is praise/worship. Non - Dualists E. g. Tolle end their search by praising and worshiping their selves. meh sort of, but not in the way I think you mean that. The 'self' they 'praise/worship' goes beyond their individuality. Unless they are a solipsist, and then...yes...they are praising and worshiping their own self (as I think you mean it). So in the case of Tolle, he would suggest noticing how deeply rooted in 'being' that the plant is. He is praising/worshiping beyond his 'self'.
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Post by krsnaraja on Mar 3, 2019 5:52:21 GMT -5
Non - Dualists E. g. Tolle end their search by praising and worshiping their selves. meh sort of, but not in the way I think you mean that. The 'self' they 'praise/worship' goes beyond their individuality. Unless they are a solipsist, and then...yes...they are praising and worshiping their own self (as I think you mean it). Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu was an incarnation of Krsna. When his devotees worshiped him in the level of Krsna. Lord Caitanya would cover his ears. He would have none of it. He instructed his devotees to become servants of God. Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu said he's not God but a servant of God. That should be the attitude for Dualist devotees
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Post by andrew on Mar 3, 2019 5:57:48 GMT -5
meh sort of, but not in the way I think you mean that. The 'self' they 'praise/worship' goes beyond their individuality. Unless they are a solipsist, and then...yes...they are praising and worshiping their own self (as I think you mean it). Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu was an incarnation of Krsna. When his devotees worshiped him in the level of Krsna. Lord Caitanya would cover his ears. He would have none of it. He instructed his devotees to become servants of God. Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu said he's not God but a servant of God. That should be the attitude for Dualist devotees Its a good attitude. Personally I see folks like Tolle more as 'guides' than teachers. They are useful, and have explored and know the terrain, but I think perhaps the 'kill the Buddha' quote relates to what you are saying.
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Post by krsnaraja on Mar 3, 2019 6:07:48 GMT -5
Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu was an incarnation of Krsna. When his devotees worshiped him in the level of Krsna. Lord Caitanya would cover his ears. He would have none of it. He instructed his devotees to become servants of God. Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu said he's not God but a servant of God. That should be the attitude for Dualist devotees Its a good attitude. Personally I see folks like Tolle more as 'guides' than teachers. They are useful, and have explored and know the terrain, but I think perhaps the 'kill the Buddha' quote relates to what you are saying. Nārada, the four Kumāras (Sanaka, Sanātana, Sananda, and Sanatkumāra), Kapila, King Ṛṣabhadeva, Mahārāja Pṛthu, Paraśurāma, Buddha are all empowered incarnations. If Buddha is on the list as empowered incarnations of Krsna. Then why should Krsna devotees who are themselves dualist " Kill the Buddha"?
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Post by andrew on Mar 3, 2019 6:28:00 GMT -5
Its a good attitude. Personally I see folks like Tolle more as 'guides' than teachers. They are useful, and have explored and know the terrain, but I think perhaps the 'kill the Buddha' quote relates to what you are saying. Nārada, the four Kumāras (Sanaka, Sanātana, Sananda, and Sanatkumāra), Kapila, King Ṛṣabhadeva, Mahārāja Pṛthu, Paraśurāma, Buddha are all empowered incarnations. If Buddha is on the list as empowered incarnations of Krsna. Then why should Krsna devotees who are themselves dualist " Kill the Buddha"? It's an expression often used in non-dual circles which sort of means... don't put the teacher, or even the teaching, on a pedestal because then you will miss the essence of the teaching.
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