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Post by krsnaraja on Mar 1, 2019 18:00:47 GMT -5
If the moon is Consciousness? It's the mind of Lord Siva. This what Sri Sri Ravi Shankar has to say, "Shiva Tattva is where there is no mind and the moon signifies the mind. When there is no mind then how can this ‘no mindedness’ be expressed and how can anybody understand it? You need a little bit of the mind to understand, experience and to express. The no-mind, infinite consciousness requires that little bit of mind to express itself in the manifest world. So, to express that inexpressible, that little mind (crescent moon) is on the head. Wisdom is beyond the mind, but it needs to be expressed with a tinge of mind and this is symbolized by the crescent moon." Most of us have no idea what your point is, or even why you're on this forum. Why not find a Hindu website where everyone is familiar with your beliefs? I'm just passing through. Whatever is on my mind I share in this forum. Point or no point at all. What's important is the presence. Consciousness has a way of urging one to participate in any forum. Everything happens for a reason. Why I am here is not my doing.
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Post by laughter on Mar 1, 2019 18:57:25 GMT -5
If the moon is Consciousness? It's the mind of Lord Siva. This what Sri Sri Ravi Shankar has to say, "Shiva Tattva is where there is no mind and the moon signifies the mind. When there is no mind then how can this ‘no mindedness’ be expressed and how can anybody understand it? You need a little bit of the mind to understand, experience and to express. The no-mind, infinite consciousness requires that little bit of mind to express itself in the manifest world. So, to express that inexpressible, that little mind (crescent moon) is on the head. Wisdom is beyond the mind, but it needs to be expressed with a tinge of mind and this is symbolized by the crescent moon." Most of us have no idea what your point is, or even why you're on this forum. Why not find a Hindu website where everyone is familiar with your beliefs? if youse guys would be so kind as to allow me to attempt to translate ... krsna: "Words can be used to point the mind to the ineffable. Shankar used the moon as a metaphor for the ineffable."
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Post by enigma on Mar 1, 2019 20:46:01 GMT -5
Most of us have no idea what your point is, or even why you're on this forum. Why not find a Hindu website where everyone is familiar with your beliefs? if youse guys would be so kind as to allow me to attempt to translate ... krsna: "Words can be used to point the mind to the ineffable. Shankar used the moon as a metaphor for the ineffable." You're not going to bill us for your translation services, are you?
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Post by laughter on Mar 1, 2019 23:52:29 GMT -5
if youse guys would be so kind as to allow me to attempt to translate ... krsna: "Words can be used to point the mind to the ineffable. Shankar used the moon as a metaphor for the ineffable." You're not going to bill us for your translation services, are you? O.k. for you, I'll take special payment.
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Post by krsnaraja on Mar 2, 2019 0:13:54 GMT -5
You're not going to bill us for your translation services, are you? O.k. for you, I'll take special payment. A sane person uses the crescent moon mind of Lord Siva A lunatic uses the full moon.
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Post by enigma on Mar 2, 2019 10:38:06 GMT -5
You're not going to bill us for your translation services, are you? O.k. for you, I'll take special payment. I've missed you around here .
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Post by enigma on Mar 2, 2019 10:43:56 GMT -5
O.k. for you, I'll take special payment. A sane person uses the crescent moon mind of Lord Siva A lunatic uses the full moon.
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Post by etolle on Mar 2, 2019 11:10:48 GMT -5
If the moon is Consciousness? It's the mind of Lord Siva. This what Sri Sri Ravi Shankar has to say, "Shiva Tattva is where there is no mind and the moon signifies the mind. When there is no mind then how can this ‘no mindedness’ be expressed and how can anybody understand it? You need a little bit of the mind to understand, experience and to express. The no-mind, infinite consciousness requires that little bit of mind to express itself in the manifest world. So, to express that inexpressible, that little mind (crescent moon) is on the head. Wisdom is beyond the mind, but it needs to be expressed with a tinge of mind and this is symbolized by the crescent moon." Most of us have no idea what your point is, or even why you're on this forum. Why not find a Hindu website where everyone is familiar with your beliefs? its called religious ideology.. have friends like this that I have known since childhood and if I see them at the grocery I start runnin the other way..just observational experience I am not a dr...
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Post by someNOTHING! on Mar 2, 2019 11:57:07 GMT -5
I don't know what your point is. My point is that Consciousness is prior to anything physical. What I know about the moon is that it's the mind of Lord Siva. Answering to your question if the moon is Consciousness. I replied to it earlier with, " Did Neil Armstrong ever step on the moon? You did not answer the question since you did not know what my point was. My question in addendum to the earlier question is this, "Did man ever gone to the moon?" Just because we can see the moon its not Consciousness. Then we go to Krsna consciousness. Consciousness that took the form of Krsna. If we see Krsna, we can say we saw consciousness in Krsna. Consciousness prior to being physical has unlimited undeveloped forms . The 8,400 000 species of living entities manifested from Consciousness. You and I came from that Consciousness. So, I see consciousness on planet earth with its 8,400 000 species of living entities (developed forms ). The crescent moon symbolizes the first appearance of form in the mind of Shiva, depicted by the new moon. As such, things (form) exists within that which is ineffable (formless). The general focus of this forum, as I understand anyway, is to realize what That ineffable Is. Perhaps, if you wanted to make your above expression helpful in that regard, it would be necessary to clarify your ideas around what would considered as form versus formless.
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Post by Reefs on Mar 2, 2019 12:13:30 GMT -5
What do you think ZD is missing when he keeps ignoring the Seth/A-H stuff? You seem to be trying to relate two unrelated things here. Non-duality is about seeing into the nature of experience or reality. The channeling and higher dimensions stuff is just about expanding experience or exploring reality. In that sense, non-duality is about depth of view, the channeling/higher dimensions stuff is about breadth of view. They are not related. You can have that in-depth view in any so-called 'dimension'. And no matter how broad your view in terms of dimensions, you can still be missing that in-depth view. Showing that was the whole point of introducing the Seth and A-H stuff to the forum. Seth used to compare the different 'dimensions' (or realms of experience) to different countries. Some like to travel far, some prefer to stay where they are. Seth, Jane, Abraham and Esther like to travel far. ZD obviously likes to stay where he is. And that's fine. It's just a matter of personal preference. As long as he doesn't insist that there are no other countries, I don't see the issue. Go back to the top of this page, ZD specifically said:"Higher dimensions? This is all mind-generated stuff..."... That sounds like he thinks it's all imaginary. (E definitely does. Higher dimensions = "cake layers", which E is adamantly against). The point (my point) is if higher dimensions don't exist then neither Seth nor Abraham can exist (and therefore their reports are wholly Imaginary, made up, lies and fabrications, or delusion). I have no problem with what anyone considers what the truth is or of what reality consists of. I'm just trying to point out the consequences of a particular paradigm, and how that paradigm comes to be, and that It might narrow the field of what is. That is, our perception & conception of what is, and how that effects our lives and our possibility. ZD probably thinks I'm leading people astray. I say people are responsible for their own world-view. Does this mean we are now going to call our dogs delusional just because they hear (perceive) sounds (vibrations) that we cannot (or choose not) to hear (perceive)? The higher dimensions stuff has no bearing on what non-duality is pointing to. In that context it is irrelevant. The higher dimensions stuff is only interesting in the context of the camouflage and how it works (or comes into being). And in that context, the higher dimensions stuff has many practical everyday life implications.
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Post by someNOTHING! on Mar 2, 2019 12:26:45 GMT -5
It's not necessary to recap. I still don't know what your point is. If the moon is Consciousness? It's the mind of Lord Siva. This what Sri Sri Ravi Shankar has to say, "Shiva Tattva is where there is no mind and the moon signifies the mind. When there is no mind then how can this ‘no mindedness’ be expressed and how can anybody understand it? You need a little bit of the mind to understand, experience and to express. The no-mind, infinite consciousness requires that little bit of mind to express itself in the manifest world. So, to express that inexpressible, that little mind (crescent moon) is on the head. Wisdom is beyond the mind, but it needs to be expressed with a tinge of mind and this is symbolized by the crescent moon." So, what does this mean to "you"? I pretty much see it as an explanation of what is expressed here. Mind/movement cannot comprehend the ineffable/stillness/infinite consciousness, so the discussions are ultimately geared toward unmasking unconscious beliefs/aspects of movement born of the ignorance of mind that obscure realization of or taint the pointers at That/This (infinite consciousness). Infinite consciousness manifests mind (finite change). Peeps always try to use mind to reason out what the Infinite is. The mind would like to understand it all, usually for the unconscious purposes of worldly power or control (there are many symptoms of this). The good news is that it doesn't need to, but it rarely wants to hear that for any number of its reasons.
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Post by someNOTHING! on Mar 2, 2019 12:42:42 GMT -5
Go back to the top of this page, ZD specifically said:"Higher dimensions? This is all mind-generated stuff..."... That sounds like he thinks it's all imaginary. (E definitely does. Higher dimensions = "cake layers", which E is adamantly against). The point (my point) is if higher dimensions don't exist then neither Seth nor Abraham can exist (and therefore their reports are wholly Imaginary, made up, lies and fabrications, or delusion). I have no problem with what anyone considers what the truth is or of what reality consists of. I'm just trying to point out the consequences of a particular paradigm, and how that paradigm comes to be, and that It might narrow the field of what is. That is, our perception & conception of what is, and how that effects our lives and our possibility. ZD probably thinks I'm leading people astray. I say people are responsible for their own world-view. Does this mean we are now going to call our dogs delusional just because they hear (perceive) sounds (vibrations) that we cannot (or choose not) to hear (perceive)? The higher dimensions stuff has no bearing on what non-duality is pointing to. In that context it is irrelevant. The higher dimensions stuff is only interesting in the context of the camouflage and how it works (or comes into being). And in that context, the higher dimensions stuff has many practical everyday life implications. Maybe I have misunderstood what camouflage actually pertains to, which wouldn't surprise me. Care to take a stab at explaining it?
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Post by Reefs on Mar 2, 2019 13:07:12 GMT -5
Does this mean we are now going to call our dogs delusional just because they hear (perceive) sounds (vibrations) that we cannot (or choose not) to hear (perceive)? The higher dimensions stuff has no bearing on what non-duality is pointing to. In that context it is irrelevant. The higher dimensions stuff is only interesting in the context of the camouflage and how it works (or comes into being). And in that context, the higher dimensions stuff has many practical everyday life implications. Maybe I have misunderstood what camouflage actually pertains to, which wouldn't surprise me. Care to take a stab at explaining it? It's a term Seth uses. There are dozens of quotes re: camouflage in the Seth Quotes thread. Just take a look into that thread and search for 'camouflage' and you'll see in what context(s) the word is used. It's not so easy to define. But you'll get the idea when you read thru the relevant quotes.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Mar 2, 2019 14:09:56 GMT -5
Go back to the top of this page, ZD specifically said:"Higher dimensions? This is all mind-generated stuff..."... That sounds like he thinks it's all imaginary. (E definitely does. Higher dimensions = "cake layers", which E is adamantly against). The point (my point) is if higher dimensions don't exist then neither Seth nor Abraham can exist (and therefore their reports are wholly Imaginary, made up, lies and fabrications, or delusion). I have no problem with what anyone considers what the truth is or of what reality consists of. I'm just trying to point out the consequences of a particular paradigm, and how that paradigm comes to be, and that It might narrow the field of what is. That is, our perception & conception of what is, and how that effects our lives and our possibility. ZD probably thinks I'm leading people astray. I say people are responsible for their own world-view. Does this mean we are now going to call our dogs delusional just because they hear (perceive) sounds (vibrations) that we cannot (or choose not) to hear (perceive)? The higher dimensions stuff has no bearing on what non-duality is pointing to. In that context it is irrelevant. The higher dimensions stuff is only interesting in the context of the camouflage and how it works (or comes into being). And in that context, the higher dimensions stuff has many practical everyday life implications. You are telling the wrong person!
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Mar 2, 2019 14:52:01 GMT -5
Go back to the top of this page, ZD specifically said:"Higher dimensions? This is all mind-generated stuff..."... That sounds like he thinks it's all imaginary. (E definitely does. Higher dimensions = "cake layers", which E is adamantly against). The point (my point) is if higher dimensions don't exist then neither Seth nor Abraham can exist (and therefore their reports are wholly Imaginary, made up, lies and fabrications, or delusion). I have no problem with what anyone considers what the truth is or of what reality consists of. I'm just trying to point out the consequences of a particular paradigm, and how that paradigm comes to be, and that It might narrow the field of what is. That is, our perception & conception of what is, and how that effects our lives and our possibility. ZD probably thinks I'm leading people astray. I say people are responsible for their own world-view. Does this mean we are now going to call our dogs delusional just because they hear (perceive) sounds (vibrations) that we cannot (or choose not) to hear (perceive)? The higher dimensions stuff has no bearing on what non-duality is pointing to. In that context it is irrelevant. The higher dimensions stuff is only interesting in the context of the camouflage and how it works (or comes into being). And in that context, the higher dimensions stuff has many practical everyday life implications. So ND doesn't refer to the Whole? (A quite serious question).
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