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Post by krsnaraja on Mar 3, 2019 6:42:04 GMT -5
Nārada, the four Kumāras (Sanaka, Sanātana, Sananda, and Sanatkumāra), Kapila, King Ṛṣabhadeva, Mahārāja Pṛthu, Paraśurāma, Buddha are all empowered incarnations. If Buddha is on the list as empowered incarnations of Krsna. Then why should Krsna devotees who are themselves dualist " Kill the Buddha"? It's an expression often used in non-dual circles which sort of means... don't put the teacher, or even the teaching, on a pedestal because then you will miss the essence of the teaching. Oh I see. My father Dr Mario Sr (deceased) was my teacher in the College of Medicine where I studied in preparation to become a licensed Physician. He taught Dermatology and Pathology, second year proper subjects. My classmates and those whom he taught were very much impressed because he could lecture to us for hours without glancing his notes or book. He has a photographic mind that he memorized every page of the book he taught us in Dermatology and Pathology. He would sit on his desk while lecturing holding a bottle of beer.
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Post by justlikeyou on Mar 3, 2019 7:59:50 GMT -5
Then why should Krsna devotees who are themselves dualist " Kill the Buddha"? Before ever seeing the ocean for oneself, you may have studied the ocean in school, seen the ocean on TV, learned that the ocean can be placid or tumultuous, salty and full of waves crashing on sandy beaches or rocky cliffs, and yes, full of myriad lifeforms. You may have posters and images on your wall of beautiful ocean scenes, and photographic books about the ocean on your library shelves. You may long to see and feel the ocean but all you can do is study and learn every fact there is about the ocean. None of this, however, will mean you have any direct experience about the ocean. All your knowledge, beliefs and memorized facts about the ocean cannot deliver you the taste of salty ocean water on your lips. Everything you think you know about the ocean will only ever be dry, empty knowledge about the ocean, for there is yet no direct experience to enliven your understanding. But then finally, the day comes when you get to experience the ocean for yourself, directly, immediately, and then everything will change. For having once seen, touched, tasted and frolicked in the ocean directly, you will have little need for all that dry knowledge you accumulated, for now, you will have experienced the ocean first hand. Now you can kill all those ideas and concepts about the ocean, leaving them all behind as dead things, as you embrace the actuality of the ocean in your direct experience. You may never be able to describe the taste of sea salt on your lips to another, but you will forever know it for yourself.
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Post by krsnaraja on Mar 3, 2019 9:16:09 GMT -5
Then why should Krsna devotees who are themselves dualist " Kill the Buddha"? Before ever seeing the ocean for oneself, you may have studied the ocean in school, seen the ocean on TV, learned that the ocean can be placid or tumultuous, salty and full of waves crashing on sandy beaches or rocky cliffs, and yes, full of myriad lifeforms. You may have posters and images on your wall of beautiful ocean scenes, and photographic books about the ocean on your library shelves. You may long to see and feel the ocean but all you can do is study and learn every fact there is about the ocean. None of this, however, will mean you have any direct experience about the ocean. All your knowledge, beliefs and memorized facts about the ocean cannot deliver you the taste of salty ocean water on your lips. Everything you think you know about the ocean will only ever be dry, empty knowledge about the ocean, for there is yet no direct experience to enliven your understanding. But then finally, the day comes when you get to experience the ocean for yourself, directly, immediately, and then everything will change. For having once seen, touched, tasted and frolicked in the ocean directly, you will have little need for all that dry knowledge you accumulated, for now, you will have experienced the ocean first hand. Now you can kill all those ideas and concepts about the ocean, leaving them all behind as dead things, as you embrace the actuality of the ocean in your direct experience. You may never be able to describe the taste of sea salt on your lips to another, but you will forever know it for yourself. I lived in a country composed of 7,100 islands. The ocean, the sea is familiar to me. I tasted the saltiness of its waters. I know countless of marine species in the ocean, sea. To me, what's in the ocean, sea is a mystery and difficult to fathom. I tried diving into its depths to know what lies deep down but had to resurface for lack of air. Yet there's more to the ocean, sea metaphor than meets the eye in describing the Absolute Truth. That's better than nothing. " It is patient, it is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. That it does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. It never fails. " 1 Corinthians 13:4-8
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Post by zendancer on Mar 3, 2019 9:26:19 GMT -5
Then why should Krsna devotees who are themselves dualist " Kill the Buddha"? Before ever seeing the ocean for oneself, you may have studied the ocean in school, seen the ocean on TV, learned that the ocean can be placid or tumultuous, salty and full of waves crashing on sandy beaches or rocky cliffs, and yes, full of myriad lifeforms. You may have posters and images on your wall of beautiful ocean scenes, and photographic books about the ocean on your library shelves. You may long to see and feel the ocean but all you can do is study and learn every fact there is about the ocean. None of this, however, will mean you have any direct experience about the ocean. All your knowledge, beliefs and memorized facts about the ocean cannot deliver you the taste of salty ocean water on your lips. Everything you think you know about the ocean will only ever be dry, empty knowledge about the ocean, for there is yet no direct experience to enliven your understanding. But then finally, the day comes when you get to experience the ocean for yourself, directly, immediately, and then everything will change. For having once seen, touched, tasted and frolicked in the ocean directly, you will have little need for all that dry knowledge you accumulated, for now, you will have experienced the ocean first hand. Now you can kill all those ideas and concepts about the ocean, leaving them all behind as dead things, as you embrace the actuality of the ocean in your direct experience. You may never be able to describe the taste of sea salt on your lips to another, but you will forever know it for yourself. Precisely, but these words will be misinterpreted. Those focused on the finger will miss what the finger is pointing to.
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Post by laughter on Mar 3, 2019 9:46:36 GMT -5
Have you considered the possibility that not everyone who points to that truth is speculating about it? Reminds me of asking for directions where to find the place we were looking but could not locate it. Every person we stopped pointed us to that place with their chins. They would say "It's there around 1 kilometer." After reaching what was pointed at it was still further away. I guess there are some in this forum pointing at the truth. On arrival, the truth is nowhere. They point that it's still further up ahead. How about someone other than the folks on this forum?
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Post by laughter on Mar 3, 2019 9:53:28 GMT -5
Teachers point because they're still seeking 'it' themselves. That's not to say that they are useless, they are not the blind leading the blind. They have great insight and valuable experience, it's just that they're not finished with the interest (or it's not finished with them). Simply, they are interested in 'it', and all interest is seeking. They might have that interest their whole lives and be great teachers. For Duality devotees the Absolute Truth is already found. He's Krsna, Christ, Buddha, Yahweh, Allah. The Absolute Truth is called by many names. For Non - Duality devotees these names are illusory. They don't point to Absolute Truth. So, they search further for that which is Absolute. Yet they don't seem to find it. While Duality devotees end their search with praise and worship. For Non - Duality devotees their pointing at the Absolute Truth never ends. Because they can't exactly locate it. Genuine insight can't fail but drop the realized to their knees, and real devotion can never fail to reveal the existential truth.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2019 11:46:05 GMT -5
Teachers point because they're still seeking 'it' themselves. That's not to say that they are useless, they are not the blind leading the blind. They have great insight and valuable experience, it's just that they're not finished with the interest (or it's not finished with them). Simply, they are interested in 'it', and all interest is seeking. They might have that interest their whole lives and be great teachers. For Duality devotees the Absolute Truth is already found. He's Krsna, Christ, Buddha, Yahweh, Allah. The Absolute Truth is called by many names. For Non - Duality devotees these names are illusory. They don't point to Absolute Truth. So, they search further for that which is Absolute. Yet they don't seem to find it. While Duality devotees end their search with praise and worship. For Non - Duality devotees their pointing at the Absolute Truth never ends. Because they can't exactly locate it. You are correct. The Absolute can never be located. How can you find what is not lost?
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Post by krsnaraja on Mar 3, 2019 11:53:44 GMT -5
For Duality devotees the Absolute Truth is already found. He's Krsna, Christ, Buddha, Yahweh, Allah. The Absolute Truth is called by many names. For Non - Duality devotees these names are illusory. They don't point to Absolute Truth. So, they search further for that which is Absolute. Yet they don't seem to find it. While Duality devotees end their search with praise and worship. For Non - Duality devotees their pointing at the Absolute Truth never ends. Because they can't exactly locate it. Genuine insight can't fail but drop the realized to their knees, and real devotion can never fail to reveal the existential truth. Now when the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance (Acts 2:1-4).
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Post by krsnaraja on Mar 3, 2019 12:06:28 GMT -5
For Duality devotees the Absolute Truth is already found. He's Krsna, Christ, Buddha, Yahweh, Allah. The Absolute Truth is called by many names. For Non - Duality devotees these names are illusory. They don't point to Absolute Truth. So, they search further for that which is Absolute. Yet they don't seem to find it. While Duality devotees end their search with praise and worship. For Non - Duality devotees their pointing at the Absolute Truth never ends. Because they can't exactly locate it. You are correct. The Absolute can never be located. How can you find what is not lost? Gospel of Luke, the parable of the lost sheep is as follows: He told them "Which of you men, if you had one hundred sheep, and lost one of them, wouldn't leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one that was lost, until he found it? When he has found it, he carries it on his shoulders, rejoicing."
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2019 12:23:48 GMT -5
You are correct. The Absolute can never be located. How can you find what is not lost? Gospel of Luke, the parable of the lost sheep is as follows: He told them "Which of you men, if you had one hundred sheep, and lost one of them, wouldn't leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one that was lost, until he found it? When he has found it, he carries it on his shoulders, rejoicing." I see. The non-dualist are the "lost" sheep. Clever. It explains why you're here. I understand. Do you really believe that?
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Post by krsnaraja on Mar 3, 2019 12:28:57 GMT -5
Gospel of Luke, the parable of the lost sheep is as follows: He told them "Which of you men, if you had one hundred sheep, and lost one of them, wouldn't leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one that was lost, until he found it? When he has found it, he carries it on his shoulders, rejoicing." I see. The non-dualist are the "lost" sheep. Clever. It explains why you're here. I understand. Do you really believe that? I remember what Blessed St Pope John Paul II said in Vatican II, " Hell is a place where the remembrance of the Holy Names of God is absent."
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Post by justlikeyou on Mar 3, 2019 13:06:16 GMT -5
there's more to the ocean, sea metaphor than meets the eye in describing the Absolute Truth. ZD correctly predicted it would be misinterpreted. It's not about the Absolute Truth. Can you guess what it's really about?
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Post by justlikeyou on Mar 3, 2019 13:16:14 GMT -5
Gospel of Luke, the parable of the lost sheep is as follows: He told them "Which of you men, if you had one hundred sheep, and lost one of them, wouldn't leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one that was lost, until he found it? When he has found it, he carries it on his shoulders, rejoicing." I see. The non-dualist are the "lost" sheep. Clever. It explains why you're here. I understand. Do you really believe that? Excellent observation. Reminds me of the saying about someone being "a legend in his own mind". But in this case, it's a matter of being an evangelist in his own mind.
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Post by krsnaraja on Mar 3, 2019 13:16:17 GMT -5
there's more to the ocean, sea metaphor than meets the eye in describing the Absolute Truth. ZD correctly predicted it would be misinterpreted. It's not about the Absolute Truth. Can you guess what it's really about? The ocean is a vast space of water. You been in that ocean. What you tasted in that ocean is the water's salty. That experience will forever remain in you. Once tasted is always wanted. It's liken to doing samadhi. After experiencing the magnificence, the vastness of the universe, being one with whole, you never be the same again. A renewal, awaken from a deep, long slumber.
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Post by justlikeyou on Mar 3, 2019 13:17:45 GMT -5
Wrong answer. Try again.
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