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Post by zendancer on Feb 27, 2019 6:02:30 GMT -5
What do you think ZD is missing when he keeps ignoring the Seth/A-H stuff? You seem to be trying to relate two unrelated things here. Non-duality is about seeing into the nature of experience or reality. The channeling and higher dimensions stuff is just about expanding experience or exploring reality. In that sense, non-duality is about depth of view, the channeling/higher dimensions stuff is about breadth of view. They are not related. You can have that in-depth view in any so-called 'dimension'. And no matter how broad your view in terms of dimensions, you can still be missing that in-depth view. Showing that was the whole point of introducing the Seth and A-H stuff to the forum. Seth used to compare the different 'dimensions' (or realms of experience) to different countries. Some like to travel far, some prefer to stay where they are. Seth, Jane, Abraham and Esther like to travel far. ZD obviously likes to stay where he is. And that's fine. It's just a matter of personal preference. As long as he doesn't insist that there are no other countries, I don't see the issue. Go back to the top of this page, ZD specifically said:"Higher dimensions? This is all mind-generated stuff..."... That sounds like he thinks it's all imaginary. (E definitely does. Higher dimensions = "cake layers", which E is adamantly against). The point (my point) is if higher dimensions don't exist then neither Seth nor Abraham can exist (and therefore their reports are wholly Imaginary, made up, lies and fabrications, or delusion). I have no problem with what anyone considers what the truth is or of what reality consists of. I'm just trying to point out the consequences of a particular paradigm, and how that paradigm comes to be, and that It might narrow the field of what is. That is, our perception & conception of what is, and how that effects our lives and our possibility. ZD probably thinks I'm leading people astray. I say people are responsible for their own world-view. ND is about non-abidance in mind, so my focus is upon that. All distinctions are mind generated. People get attached to their distinctions which then usually harden into beliefs. Freedom lies in the other direction. The truth is always here, now, and obvious, so when I read about layers, triads, systems, other dimensions, or anything complex, I encourage people to shift attention away from that kind of sticky mind candy to "what is."
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Post by justlikeyou on Feb 27, 2019 7:22:04 GMT -5
In the beginning there was this fiery orb Consciousness in space. And what of the space that the orb appeared in? Is that “space” something other than Consciousness?
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Post by krsnaraja on Feb 27, 2019 8:18:41 GMT -5
In the beginning there was this fiery orb Consciousness in space. And what of the space that the orb appeared in? Is that “space” something other than Consciousness? The space where the orb Consciousness appeared is an extension of that Consciousness.
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Post by enigma on Feb 27, 2019 11:18:05 GMT -5
In the beginning there was this fiery orb Consciousness in space. For unknown reason it cooled off. Its molten surface strewn with lava hardened as the orb Consciousness turned cold. After millions of years living organisms began to grow on its surface. Came forth plants and trees, rivers and seas. 8,400,000 species of living entities manifest. This consciousness orb became what we know as planet earth kept animated by the Sun. Now yer joking, right?
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 27, 2019 17:12:47 GMT -5
ZD specifically said:"Higher dimensions? This is all mind-generated stuff..." Yes, it's the difference between clinging to intellectual thoughts about higher dimensions, (taking one's mind thoughts as one's highest authority) - which is your clear modus operandi here btw - and experiencing a higher dimension directly, as ZD clearly has. No wonder it seems like a big contradiction to you, and you can't see the difference. You have no idea what my modus operandi is. I very rarely talk about my experiences, period (that is, not just on ST's). I have stated this on occasion here, but probably not in a while. You could probably count on one hand the number of times in ten years I have written about personal experiences. But I write from experience, and also understanding and theory/knowledge. I don't draw a line between these separating them, when writing, but I assure you I do not write primarily from ideas/concepts ("one's mind thoughts") only, or even primarily.
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Post by krsnaraja on Feb 27, 2019 17:23:41 GMT -5
In the beginning there was this fiery orb Consciousness in space. For unknown reason it cooled off. Its molten surface strewn with lava hardened as the orb Consciousness turned cold. After millions of years living organisms began to grow on its surface. Came forth plants and trees, rivers and seas. 8,400,000 species of living entities manifest. This consciousness orb became what we know as planet earth kept animated by the Sun. Now yer joking, right? US Pres. Harry Truman joked he would drop nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan.
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Post by enigma on Feb 27, 2019 19:04:14 GMT -5
Now yer joking, right? US Pres. Harry Truman joked he would drop nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan. So no? You think the planet is Consciousness?
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Post by krsnaraja on Feb 27, 2019 19:10:06 GMT -5
US Pres. Harry Truman joked he would drop nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan. So no? You think the planet is Consciousness? It's a dead planet if it's not.
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Post by enigma on Feb 27, 2019 19:17:21 GMT -5
So no? You think the planet is Consciousness? It's a dead planet if it's not. So the moon is not Consciousness?
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Post by krsnaraja on Feb 27, 2019 19:19:49 GMT -5
It's a dead planet if it's not. So the moon is not Consciousness? Did Neil Armstrong ever step on the moon?
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Post by enigma on Feb 28, 2019 20:22:54 GMT -5
So the moon is not Consciousness? Did Neil Armstrong ever step on the moon? I don't know what your point is. My point is that Consciousness is prior to anything physical.
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Post by krsnaraja on Feb 28, 2019 20:59:04 GMT -5
Did Neil Armstrong ever step on the moon? I don't know what your point is. My point is that Consciousness is prior to anything physical. What I know about the moon is that it's the mind of Lord Siva. Answering to your question if the moon is Consciousness. I replied to it earlier with, " Did Neil Armstrong ever step on the moon? You did not answer the question since you did not know what my point was. My question in addendum to the earlier question is this, "Did man ever gone to the moon?" Just because we can see the moon its not Consciousness. Then we go to Krsna consciousness. Consciousness that took the form of Krsna. If we see Krsna, we can say we saw consciousness in Krsna. Consciousness prior to being physical has unlimited undeveloped forms . The 8,400 000 species of living entities manifested from Consciousness. You and I came from that Consciousness. So, I see consciousness on planet earth with its 8,400 000 species of living entities (developed forms ).
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Post by enigma on Mar 1, 2019 10:36:43 GMT -5
I don't know what your point is. My point is that Consciousness is prior to anything physical. What I know about the moon is that it's the mind of Lord Siva. Answering to your question if the moon is Consciousness. I replied to it earlier with, " Did Neil Armstrong ever step on the moon? You did not answer the question since you did not know what my point was. My question in addendum to the earlier question is this, "Did man ever gone to the moon?" Just because we can see the moon its not Consciousness. Then we go to Krsna consciousness. Consciousness that took the form of Krsna. If we see Krsna, we can say we saw consciousness in Krsna. Consciousness prior to being physical has unlimited undeveloped forms . The 8,400 000 species of living entities manifested from Consciousness. You and I came from that Consciousness. So, I see consciousness on planet earth with its 8,400 000 species of living entities (developed forms ). It's not necessary to recap. I still don't know what your point is.
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Post by krsnaraja on Mar 1, 2019 14:36:01 GMT -5
What I know about the moon is that it's the mind of Lord Siva. Answering to your question if the moon is Consciousness. I replied to it earlier with, " Did Neil Armstrong ever step on the moon? You did not answer the question since you did not know what my point was. My question in addendum to the earlier question is this, "Did man ever gone to the moon?" Just because we can see the moon its not Consciousness. Then we go to Krsna consciousness. Consciousness that took the form of Krsna. If we see Krsna, we can say we saw consciousness in Krsna. Consciousness prior to being physical has unlimited undeveloped forms . The 8,400 000 species of living entities manifested from Consciousness. You and I came from that Consciousness. So, I see consciousness on planet earth with its 8,400 000 species of living entities (developed forms ). It's not necessary to recap. I still don't know what your point is. If the moon is Consciousness? It's the mind of Lord Siva. This what Sri Sri Ravi Shankar has to say, "Shiva Tattva is where there is no mind and the moon signifies the mind. When there is no mind then how can this ‘no mindedness’ be expressed and how can anybody understand it? You need a little bit of the mind to understand, experience and to express. The no-mind, infinite consciousness requires that little bit of mind to express itself in the manifest world. So, to express that inexpressible, that little mind (crescent moon) is on the head. Wisdom is beyond the mind, but it needs to be expressed with a tinge of mind and this is symbolized by the crescent moon."
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Post by zendancer on Mar 1, 2019 17:41:24 GMT -5
It's not necessary to recap. I still don't know what your point is. If the moon is Consciousness? It's the mind of Lord Siva. This what Sri Sri Ravi Shankar has to say, "Shiva Tattva is where there is no mind and the moon signifies the mind. When there is no mind then how can this ‘no mindedness’ be expressed and how can anybody understand it? You need a little bit of the mind to understand, experience and to express. The no-mind, infinite consciousness requires that little bit of mind to express itself in the manifest world. So, to express that inexpressible, that little mind (crescent moon) is on the head. Wisdom is beyond the mind, but it needs to be expressed with a tinge of mind and this is symbolized by the crescent moon." Most of us have no idea what your point is, or even why you're on this forum. Why not find a Hindu website where everyone is familiar with your beliefs?
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