|
Post by zendancer on Aug 16, 2017 9:09:21 GMT -5
If you understand what most of us on this forum are pointing to, then you will realize that what you are is already Plutonium! There is no separation except in the mind. Yup, the non-duality theory is what most of you in this forum is trying to understand. This oneness thing. What I am trying to point out is this simultaneous oneness and difference of things ( acintya-abheda-bheda-tattva ). Atomic particle or souls are one yet they are of different properties. Say, the Ms Universe Beauty Pageant candidates are all pretty yet of different nationalities. Which is more important, " A ( construction worker ) or B ( doctor )? " Both are important but A ( construction worker) is different from B ( doctor ). If one is sick, a doctor is more helpful; if one needs a home built, a construction worker is more helpful. Context is necessary; otherwise the question is like asking, "Which is more important, the letter 'A' or the letter 'B'?"
|
|
|
Post by krsnaraja on Aug 16, 2017 18:28:57 GMT -5
Yup, the non-duality theory is what most of you in this forum is trying to understand. This oneness thing. What I am trying to point out is this simultaneous oneness and difference of things ( acintya-abheda-bheda-tattva ). Atomic particle or souls are one yet they are of different properties. Say, the Ms Universe Beauty Pageant candidates are all pretty yet of different nationalities. Which is more important, " A ( construction worker ) or B ( doctor )? " Both are important but A ( construction worker) is different from B ( doctor ). If one is sick, a doctor is more helpful; if one needs a home built, a construction worker is more helpful. Context is necessary; otherwise the question is like asking, "Which is more important, the letter 'A' or the letter 'B'?" There is the general and the specific. A construction worker and doctor in general are both workers. One works constructing something and the other works healing sick. Constructing something like houses and bridges is a specific only construction workers can handle. Similarly, a doctor works to heal the sick which only a doctor can handle. One can not perform the work of others unless he can handle that kind of work. Maybe there are doctors who are also construction workers or construction workers who are doctors. But these are uncommon. Water so to speak in general is water. Yet water can be cold or hot. Cold and hot water in general are simultaneously one yet both differe. One is cold and one is hot ( acintya-bheda-abheda-tattva ), the philosophy Lord Chaitanya Mahaptabhu taught to his disciples. It was to reconcile the philosophies of non-duality ( Advaita ) and duality ( Dvaita ). When we say which is more important, the letter A or B? We say A and B are important yet both have specific functions which make them work.
|
|
|
Post by Reefs on Aug 16, 2017 21:20:25 GMT -5
I agree with that and it is a big topic . Some refer to peeps having many so called exist points depending on how life unfolds . on one hand life is as it should be and can appear to be set in stone from one perspective, butt one can brush aside one exit point and entertain another depending on the situation .. If your done, your done, if your not your not . Yes, Seth talks about this in terms of physical illness. Sometimes those who only want to experience early childhood may die of a deadly disease rather early. And so they've got what they wanted. But in our technological age, sometimes the medical community can prevent that from happening. And cured from a deadly disease, some just get run over by a car or die in a freak accident a year later. They just took the next available exit point. Or, they change their intention and discover a new zest for life and continue into full adulthood. Nothing is predetermined. Nothing is random either. It's all a spontaneous unfolding and free will rules. The point of power is in the present as Seth says. And, as Seth and A-H both always say, no one who doesn't want to live lives, and no one who doesn't want to die dies. Every death is a suicide. And everyone knows it beforehand. There are no accidents. How conscious they are of this is a different story though.
|
|
|
Post by Reefs on Aug 16, 2017 21:23:28 GMT -5
This seems very far-fetched. Like contortionist amount of effort to explain simple death so that it fits a more smiley narrative. IMHO. This sounds exactly like something one of my past probable selves from 25 years ago would have said. But there appeared a fork in the road about 20 years ago and I chose a different route of development. Since then we've been drifting further and further apart. But we are still in contact with each other. So I'm familiar with and understand such sentiments.
|
|
|
Post by krsnaraja on Aug 17, 2017 8:08:23 GMT -5
So where will I go when I die? I will be reborn in the womb of my grand daughters or daughter/ daughter-in-law if I die today. You see, my daughter is pregnant. My daughter-in-law who resides in UK is pregnant. The possibility of being born again if I die today will be from my daughter/daughter-in-law. But if I die later 10 years from now, maybe I will be born inside the wombs of my grand children when it`s time. Abortions should be discourage. The child inside the womb of that mother who aborted her child perhaps is the grand father/ grand mother / grand uncle / grand aunt of that woman.
|
|
|
Post by zendancer on Aug 17, 2017 12:43:19 GMT -5
So where will I go when I die? I will be reborn in the womb of my grand daughters or daughter/ daughter-in-law if I die today. You see, my daughter is pregnant. My daughter-in-law who resides in UK is pregnant. The possibility of being born again if I die today will be from my daughter/daughter-in-law. But if I die later 10 years from now, maybe I will be born inside the wombs of my grand children when it`s time. Abortions should be discourage. The child inside the womb of that mother who aborted her child perhaps is the grand father/ grand mother / grand uncle / grand aunt of that woman. Upon his deathbed someone asked Ramana, "Master, are you leaving us?" Ramana replied, "Where could I possibly go?" Anyone who directly experiences the Infinite will understand Ramana's reply. The Infinite is not a thing; It is the totality of "what is."
|
|
|
Post by silver on Aug 17, 2017 13:00:15 GMT -5
The first time I heard / read that anecdote, it was uplifting and gave a whole new perspective on death - but it still made me cry.
|
|
|
Post by krsnaraja on Aug 17, 2017 16:38:05 GMT -5
So where will I go when I die? I will be reborn in the womb of my grand daughters or daughter/ daughter-in-law if I die today. You see, my daughter is pregnant. My daughter-in-law who resides in UK is pregnant. The possibility of being born again if I die today will be from my daughter/daughter-in-law. But if I die later 10 years from now, maybe I will be born inside the wombs of my grand children when it`s time. Abortions should be discourage. The child inside the womb of that mother who aborted her child perhaps is the grand father/ grand mother / grand uncle / grand aunt of that woman. Upon his deathbed someone asked Ramana, "Master, are you leaving us?" Ramana replied, "Where could I possibly go?" Anyone who directly experiences the Infinite will understand Ramana's reply. The Infinite is not a thing; It is the totality of "what is." I felt I am the reincarnation of my great grand father, Zacarias. He is the father of my grand father Vicente, the latter is the father of my mother Juliana. My great grand father Zacarias died of cancer at the age of 55. He is at present determined to stop the disease knowing the Hare Krsna mantra can prevent & cure Kansr/Cancer? Zacarias in the next life ( now ) at last found a way to destroy the curse by chanting sincerely, " Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Hare. " Will Ramana`s incarnation finally heed this call?
|
|
|
Post by zendancer on Aug 17, 2017 16:53:27 GMT -5
The first time I heard / read that anecdote, it was uplifting and gave a whole new perspective on death - but it still made me cry. Yes, it is poignant. My mother used to belong to a Sunday School Class called "The Good News Bible Class." The good news, of course, was that anyone who had faith in Jesus Christ as their savior and professed their sins would go to heaven after dying and enjoy eternal life with God. I once thought about writing a column for the religion section of the newspaper titled, "The Best News is Better than the Good News." Haha. The best news is that everyone already has eternal life now, whether they realize it or not. Ramana knew that you don't need to meet the Infinite in the future if you discover that you're already one-with the Infinite. Blessed are those who discover the Unborn.
|
|
|
Post by zendancer on Aug 17, 2017 17:10:44 GMT -5
Upon his deathbed someone asked Ramana, "Master, are you leaving us?" Ramana replied, "Where could I possibly go?" Anyone who directly experiences the Infinite will understand Ramana's reply. The Infinite is not a thing; It is the totality of "what is." I felt I am the reincarnation of my great grand father, Zacarias. He is the father of my grand father Vicente, the latter is the father of my mother Juliana. My great grand father Zacarias died of cancer at the age of 55. He is at present determined to stop the disease knowing the Hare Krsna mantra can prevent & cure Kansr/Cancer? Zacarias in the next life ( now ) at last found a way to destroy the curse by chanting sincerely, " Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Hare. " Will Ramana`s incarnation finally heed this call? Who Ramana is cannot be imagined. Those who think he is something somewhere or somewhen have not yet discovered the nothing that is here and now. The Dalai Lama once gave a talk at an American university. He began by saying, "I'm sorry, but I have nothing to give you." Only a few people got the joke.
|
|
|
Post by krsnaraja on Aug 17, 2017 23:14:10 GMT -5
I felt I am the reincarnation of my great grand father, Zacarias. He is the father of my grand father Vicente, the latter is the father of my mother Juliana. My great grand father Zacarias died of cancer at the age of 55. He is at present determined to stop the disease knowing the Hare Krsna mantra can prevent & cure Kansr/Cancer? Zacarias in the next life ( now ) at last found a way to destroy the curse by chanting sincerely, " Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Hare. " Will Ramana`s incarnation finally heed this call? Who Ramana is cannot be imagined. Those who think he is something somewhere or somewhen have not yet discovered the nothing that is here and now. The Dalai Lama once gave a talk at an American university. He began by saying, "I'm sorry, but I have nothing to give you." Only a few people got the joke. I use to play slot machines in the casino. I frequent the joint because I win often. Until I was so obsessed with it, I go home late at night sometimes in the early morning. There is this habit of mine I can not collect even if I won. My fingertips keep on pressing the button for a spin. Instead of going home bringing the bacon I ended with nothing inside my wallet. Could not even pay for the parking ticket. So, I begged and begged the casino guard to let me go telling him I lost all my money in the casino. It gave me a lesson this " Nothing " manifesting each time I go and play the slots. So, I stopped. Now my wallet is always filled with something, " money. " Buddhists go with with nothing. That`s why they beg.
|
|
|
Post by laughter on Aug 18, 2017 6:23:20 GMT -5
The first time I heard / read that anecdote, it was uplifting and gave a whole new perspective on death - but it still made me cry. Yes, it is poignant. My mother used to belong to a Sunday School Class called "The Good News Bible Class." The good news, of course, was that anyone who had faith in Jesus Christ as their savior and professed their sins would go to heaven after dying and enjoy eternal life with God. I once thought about writing a column for the religion section of the newspaper titled, "The Best News is Better than the Good News." Haha. The best news is that everyone already has eternal life now, whether they realize it or not. Ramana knew that you don't need to meet the Infinite in the future if you discover that you're already one-with the Infinite. Blessed are those who discover the Unborn. "Blessed are the poor in spirit for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven" == "not knowing".
|
|
|
Post by laughter on Aug 18, 2017 6:29:13 GMT -5
My father Mario Sr is 88 years old. He retired from practicing medicine in June 2015 after he could not breathe well when he walks a few steps due to pulmonary emphysema. krsnaraja: fwiw, I've had the experience of helping to care for sick parents. Eventually things only go one way. There comes a point where things just don't get better over time. What I came to realize at one juncture is that I was actually nostalgic for earlier times when I was suffering because of past progressions of their illness. Bottom line is that every instant with those you love is precious, even the ones that suck, and the opportunity to care for them is one that's solid gold, no matter what the material cost at the time. God bless and best of luck dude.
|
|
|
Post by krsnaraja on Aug 18, 2017 12:46:02 GMT -5
My father Mario Sr is 88 years old. He retired from practicing medicine in June 2015 after he could not breathe well when he walks a few steps due to pulmonary emphysema. krsnaraja: fwiw, I've had the experience of helping to care for sick parents. Eventually things only go one way. There comes a point where things just don't get better over time. What I came to realize at one juncture is that I was actually nostalgic for earlier times when I was suffering because of past progressions of their illness. Bottom line is that every instant with those you love is precious, even the ones that suck, and the opportunity to care for them is one that's solid gold, no matter what the material cost at the time. God bless and best of luck dude. One thing you may notice when taking care of the sick with pulmonary emphysema is you have yet to hear them laugh. My father when he wants something ( he`s deaf ) shouts at his caregiver ( my niece/his grand daughter ), " Marlene! Marlene! Marlene! " Or to me whose room is just next to our house, " Melvin! Melvin! Melvin!" . Every time he does this, our neighbors can hear him shout. It`s been this ever since he became an invalid. There are moments when you wish him de...
|
|
|
Post by zendancer on Aug 18, 2017 13:35:24 GMT -5
krsnaraja: fwiw, I've had the experience of helping to care for sick parents. Eventually things only go one way. There comes a point where things just don't get better over time. What I came to realize at one juncture is that I was actually nostalgic for earlier times when I was suffering because of past progressions of their illness. Bottom line is that every instant with those you love is precious, even the ones that suck, and the opportunity to care for them is one that's solid gold, no matter what the material cost at the time. God bless and best of luck dude. One thing you may notice when taking care of the sick with pulmonary emphysema is you have yet to hear them laugh. My father when he wants something ( he`s deaf ) shouts at his caregiver ( my niece/his grand daughter ), " Marlene! Marlene! Marlene! " Or to me whose room is just next to our house, " Melvin! Melvin! Melvin!" . Every time he does this, our neighbors can hear him shout. It`s been this ever since he became an invalid. There are moments when you wish him de... K: You have our best wishes. Care giving for elderly adults can be very difficult, and only people who have been through that sort of experience can fully appreciate what's often involved. Our four parents all lived into their nineties (90, 90, 92, and 98), and all but one of them required round-the-clock care during their final days. One had serious dementia, and two had congestive heart failure. By contrast, I had an aunt who was in extremely good health until the night that she peacefully died in her sleep at the aqe of 92. We jokingly call her our "role model." In our family, after seeing all of the tragic ways that people can spend their last days, my aunt's manner of death would be supremely preferable. I had a friend who cared for his mother in his home for almost a decade until she died at the age of about 100. After her death, I saw him in a restaurant and told him that I was sorry to hear about his mother's death. He looked at me with a totally straight face, and said without any trace of grief or sadness, "It was time for her to go." Many years later I better understood the manner of his response.
|
|