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Post by laughter on Mar 23, 2021 18:12:30 GMT -5
So, "who/what am I"? (each one of us) Speak! Speak!
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Post by laughter on Mar 23, 2021 18:12:53 GMT -5
Doesn't even take a sage to discern that this is yet another of the myriad forms of the existential question. It's just "who/what am I?", particularized. So, "who/what am I"? (each one of us) What does your inner guidance tell you?
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Post by inavalan on Mar 23, 2021 18:20:25 GMT -5
So, "who/what am I"? (each one of us) What does your inner guidance tell you? Is this your final answer? I thought that as you bring this "existential" question so often, you have your answer. You already know my answer. Surely, I got it from my inner-guidance.
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Post by laughter on Mar 23, 2021 20:30:22 GMT -5
What does your inner guidance tell you? Is this your final answer? I thought that as you bring this "existential" question so often, you have your answer. You already know my answer. Surely, I got it from my inner-guidance. Then you don't need mine.
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Post by inavalan on Mar 23, 2021 20:44:13 GMT -5
Is this your final answer? I thought that as you bring this "existential" question so often, you have your answer. You already know my answer. Surely, I got it from my inner-guidance. Then you don't need mine. Isn't this childish?
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Post by laughter on Mar 23, 2021 20:49:47 GMT -5
Then you don't need mine. Isn't this childish? No. There isn't anything of potential greater import to you than the answer to this question.
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Post by inavalan on Mar 24, 2021 1:03:58 GMT -5
No. There isn't anything of potential greater import to you than the answer to this question. For me, of greater importance was the answer to: "what am I supposed to do here?". Why? Because just knowing "who / what I am" would imply that I'd have to use my own reasoning to further find out "what I am supposed to do", which is likely to be beyond my reasoning capability.
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Post by laughter on Mar 24, 2021 16:35:17 GMT -5
No. There isn't anything of potential greater import to you than the answer to this question. For me, of greater importance was the answer to: "what am I supposed to do here?". Why? Because just knowing "who / what I am" would imply that I'd have to use my own reasoning to further find out "what I am supposed to do", which is likely to be beyond my reasoning capability. Seems to me that it's ultimately a fine line of inquiry, and that you're doing it consciously puts you into a minority. But, how can you ever get the right answer about purpose if the inquiry is based on a faulty assumption as to what/who you are? That's not to insist or even to suggest that you're wrong on the notion of identity, just to highlight the dependence, of one question upon the other.
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Post by zendancer on Mar 24, 2021 16:54:44 GMT -5
I guess that was a bridge too far.
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Post by inavalan on Mar 24, 2021 17:37:18 GMT -5
For me, of greater importance was the answer to: "what am I supposed to do here?". Why? Because just knowing "who / what I am" would imply that I'd have to use my own reasoning to further find out "what I am supposed to do", which is likely to be beyond my reasoning capability. Seems to me that it's ultimately a fine line of inquiry, and that you're doing it consciously puts you into a minority. But, how can you ever get the right answer about purpose if the inquiry is based on a faulty assumption as to what/who you are? That's not to insist or even to suggest that you're wrong on the notion of identity, just to highlight the dependence, of one question upon the other. That would be a problem if the answer (to "what I am supposed to do") were the result of a rationalization based on assumptions. It isn't. It is based on inner-guidance, with no rationalization. That was my point: you're trying to find out the correct assumptions, and rationalize from there. I start from the postulate that my rationalization isn't reliable enough for such lofty knowledge, so instead of having a "realization" of the assumptions, I shoot directly for the "realization" of the answer: "what I am supposed to do". If I'm having a "realization", why shouldn't I have one that has a direct application, and that is also a lower hanging fruit anyway?
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Post by inavalan on Mar 24, 2021 17:38:59 GMT -5
I guess that was a bridge too far. Would you expand on this?
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Post by laughter on Mar 24, 2021 17:45:42 GMT -5
Seems to me that it's ultimately a fine line of inquiry, and that you're doing it consciously puts you into a minority. But, how can you ever get the right answer about purpose if the inquiry is based on a faulty assumption as to what/who you are? That's not to insist or even to suggest that you're wrong on the notion of identity, just to highlight the dependence, of one question upon the other. That would be a problem if the answer (to "what I am supposed to do") were the result of a rationalization based on assumptions. It isn't. It is based on inner-guidance, with no rationalization. That was my point: you're trying to find out the correct assumptions, and rationalize from there. I start from the postulate that my rationalization isn't reliable enough for such lofty knowledge, so instead of having a "realization" of the assumptions, I shoot directly for the "realization" of the answer: "what I am supposed to do". If I'm having a "realization", why shouldn't I have one that has a direct application, and that is also a lower hanging fruit anyway? Right, well, as I said, and to say it another way, the question of purpose is an inquiry that's rife with opportunity. I never meant to imply that the inquiry should be done rationally or that there is a rational answer, although I can see how you might infer that from the way that question was phrased. It's not that rationality is useless in self-inquiry, it's just that there is a limit to it, beyond which requires a different way. If you're satisfied with the basis for your current inquiry, that's great, but I'll offer you the opinion that you would be done with it if you realized what you are.
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Post by inavalan on Mar 24, 2021 17:56:12 GMT -5
That would be a problem if the answer (to "what I am supposed to do") were the result of a rationalization based on assumptions. It isn't. It is based on inner-guidance, with no rationalization. That was my point: you're trying to find out the correct assumptions, and rationalize from there. I start from the postulate that my rationalization isn't reliable enough for such lofty knowledge, so instead of having a "realization" of the assumptions, I shoot directly for the "realization" of the answer: "what I am supposed to do". If I'm having a "realization", why shouldn't I have one that has a direct application, and that is also a lower hanging fruit anyway? Right, well, as I said, and to say it another way, the question of purpose is an inquiry that's rife with opportunity. I never meant to imply that the inquiry should be done rationally or that there is a rational answer, although I can see how you might infer that from the way that question was phrased. It's not that rationality is useless in self-inquiry, it's just that there is a limit to it, beyond which requires a different way. If you're satisfied with the basis for your current inquiry, that's great, but I'll offer you the opinion that you would be done with it if you realized what you are. I know that you won't acknowledge my explanation ... Last time: knowing what you are doesn't mean that you know what you have to do. You can't know what you are, because that is infinite (the large-infinite, not the zero-infinite). But, you can know what you have to do now. I don't think that your question "who/what am I" offers an opportunity, only speculation in the framework of one's limiting beliefs.
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Post by laughter on Mar 24, 2021 18:07:47 GMT -5
Right, well, as I said, and to say it another way, the question of purpose is an inquiry that's rife with opportunity. I never meant to imply that the inquiry should be done rationally or that there is a rational answer, although I can see how you might infer that from the way that question was phrased. It's not that rationality is useless in self-inquiry, it's just that there is a limit to it, beyond which requires a different way. If you're satisfied with the basis for your current inquiry, that's great, but I'll offer you the opinion that you would be done with it if you realized what you are. I know that you won't acknowledge my explanation ... Last time: knowing what you are doesn't mean that you know what you have to do. You can't know what you are, because that is infinite (the large-infinite, not the zero-infinite). But, you can know what you have to do now. I don't think that your question "who/what am I" offers an opportunity, only speculation in the framework of one's limiting beliefs. I've acknowledged your explanation, but simply disagreed with it. And I don't expect you to believe me. As a matter of fact, I'd urge you not to, but to continue with your inquiry, and find out the existential truth of the matter for yourself. The end of the existential seeking has nothing to do with belief, one way or another, and anyone whose sense of identity is based on a belief or system of belief is living in a castle made of sand.
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Post by inavalan on Mar 24, 2021 19:17:23 GMT -5
I know that you won't acknowledge my explanation ... Last time: knowing what you are doesn't mean that you know what you have to do. You can't know what you are, because that is infinite (the large-infinite, not the zero-infinite). But, you can know what you have to do now. I don't think that your question "who/what am I" offers an opportunity, only speculation in the framework of one's limiting beliefs. I've acknowledged your explanation, but simply disagreed with it. And I don't expect you to believe me. As a matter of fact, I'd urge you not to, but to continue with your inquiry, and find out the existential truth of the matter for yourself. The end of the existential seeking has nothing to do with belief, one way or another, and anyone whose sense of identity is based on a belief or system of belief is living in a castle made of sand. I tried to be nice.
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