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Post by laughter on Feb 9, 2016 5:11:21 GMT -5
From Mein Kamp: "A lie repeated a thousand times becomes the truth". i saw ´´Minha Luta´´ a hour ago (Mein Kampf) stacked, brand new edition, in a small portuguese kiosk-bookshop...i was stunned, i must say...like...´´did i really see that´´? wonder who gets the copyright proceeds.Read parts of it, or rather, quotes. The thing is at the time nobody took him seriously, too crazy, too outrageous, but he apparently actually carried out everything he said he would do if he got in power. Do you know who Werner Heisenberg was? He wrote a book relating his work to philosophy, and in it he concluded, essentially, that a rational mechanistic world view that had prevailed since before the European Enlightenment had gotten to the point where it had expressed it's opposite movement of chaotic madness and mass insanity -- the events of that time were the climax of that movement. He was in a rather unique position from which to make that observation.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 5:11:34 GMT -5
of course tzu can trust his senses...he´s telling you the world is flat...i am fine with that...the problem is he wants to shove it down everybody´s throat as universal truth and make everybody with a different experience wrong... If his senses tell him the world is flat, in what way can he trust his sense? if it works for him, it works for him.
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Post by laughter on Feb 9, 2016 5:17:38 GMT -5
Does a certain sickness de-valuate the speaker/writer as such? What about Stephen Hawking? And what about your mind, Laughter? How can you (and I) be sure YOU have a healthy mind? Do you have any prove for that? Let me see, please. stephen hawking is one of those highly overrated mathemagicians that that tell us that somehow, inexplicably, infinity has a beginning and an end. math now has calculated 4 types of black holes. Unfortunatley they cannot exist simultanuously, and they can not exist in a big bang universe, which shows us that that high math is just another form of daydreaming about existence and proves nothing. Yeah, I agree that he's overrated.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 5:23:11 GMT -5
i saw ´´Minha Luta´´ a hour ago (Mein Kampf) stacked, brand new edition, in a small portuguese kiosk-bookshop...i was stunned, i must say...like...´´did i really see that´´? wonder who gets the copyright proceeds.Read parts of it, or rather, quotes. The thing is at the time nobody took him seriously, too crazy, too outrageous, but he apparently actually carried out everything he said he would do if he got in power. Do you know who Werner Heisenberg was? He wrote a book relating his work to philosophy, and in it he concluded, essentially, that a rational mechanistic world view that had prevailed since before the European Enlightenment had gotten to the point where it had expressed it's opposite movement of chaotic madness and mass insanity -- the events of that time were the climax of that movement. He was in a rather unique position from which to make that observation. yeah...Heisenberg, aka Walter White... i recently read Hitler and his God. Interesting analysis, and like 1000 footnotes(quotes) from other researchers. This book goes into occult influences, Dietrich Eckart, the only one who survived hitlers purges and even had a bust in the Reichstag.Hitler was a medium, and got his inspiration for his battle campains (which his generals thought insane) from some demon. He was, militarily, incredibly lucky in the beginning.Of course the times were right for it. So Heisenberg may have a point.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 5:25:10 GMT -5
impersonal can not differentiate..as soon as it does, it no longer is impersonal.So it is not ´´me´´. if it were, you and i would be same same...but we obviously arent. Yes, you and I are the same. yes and no. All is atoms swirling. why would you be in such a struggle with Tzu.Are you Him? you still havent replied to my split mind post---the one with blue highlights.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 5:30:28 GMT -5
maybe this is one of the interesting games god plays with himself...thinking he is a separate person...thinking we all are separate persons. all kinds of interesting possibilities emerge from that. Instead of discarding those possibilities filosofically, try and find out what you can do with it. why else would god let this happen? There is no God. oh..thanks for telling me, i been wrestling with this one me whole life and now finally, the great E has provided the answer... btw i recall you discussing god as if it-he-she were some kind of real--do i recall wrong?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 5:43:09 GMT -5
Yes, you and I are the same. But you can't know whether I am real or not. All you want is, you would like to live in speculation, nobody can help you to come out of this trap. what is your point ruler i can see your reasoning and could even agree with you so what is the use of this knowledge? Cause,okay, i know it, now i get on with my life. Cause there´s not much else to do--except bothering folk about it.like you do. which seems a waste of time.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 5:58:11 GMT -5
But you can't know whether I am real or not. All you want is, you would like to live in speculation, nobody can help you to come out of this trap. what is your point ruler i can see your reasoning and could even agree with you so what is the use of this knowledge? Cause,okay, i know it, now i get on with my life. Cause there´s not much else to do--except bothering folk about it.like you do. which seems a waste of time. I know knowing whether other people are figment or real is completely useless knowledge, but I believe knowledge of this obstruct us to unnecessary imaginative theory, so we would not try frame the theory something like you and I are one.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 6:08:26 GMT -5
what is your point ruler i can see your reasoning and could even agree with you so what is the use of this knowledge? Cause,okay, i know it, now i get on with my life. Cause there´s not much else to do--except bothering folk about it.like you do. which seems a waste of time. I know knowing whether other people are figment or real is completely useless knowledge, but I believe knowledge of this obstruct us to unnecessary imaginative theory, so we would not try frame the theory something like you and I are one. i dont agree ´´you and i are one´´ is not just a theory--it is an account of an EXPERIENCE that people had for thousands of years. So within this imaginary illusion a lot can be done and discovered. Who cares if it is real or not. It is just a lot of fun. Like flying a kite. No REASON, just is what it is. So we find a lot of folk with all kinds of interpretations of ´´reality´´--they arent ´´wrong´´, and their way may actually be much more effective in making life work, than yours. So instead of pushing this rather useless knowledge, find the fastest way to happiness and freedom.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 6:11:00 GMT -5
I know knowing whether other people are figment or real is completely useless knowledge, but I believe knowledge of this obstruct us to unnecessary imaginative theory, so we would not try frame the theory something like you and I are one. i dont agree ´´you and i are one´´ is not just a theory--it is an account of an EXPERIENCE that people had for thousands of years. So within this imaginary illusion a lot can be done and discovered. Who cares if it is real or not. It is just a lot of fun. Like flying a kite. No REASON, just is what it is. So we find a lot of folk with all kinds of interpretations of ´´reality´´--they arent ´´wrong´´, and their way may actually be much more effective in making life work, than yours. So instead of pushing this rather useless knowledge, find the fastest way to happiness and freedom. Bye bye! You are not a good listener and I am not a good teacher either.
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Post by tzujanli on Feb 9, 2016 6:13:12 GMT -5
In all fairness, that's how most peeps seem acculturated to approach life. That's true, but here we imagine there is a spiritual context that transcends our personal experience. Both Tzu and Gopal acknowledge this context in their own ways, and then go back to their personal experience to confirm the actuality of that transcendent 'reality'. You and laughter like to tell stories about the objects of your displeasure to each other to influence how others see the members you are talking about, that's the usual way gossips pollute the opportunities for synergistic dynamic discussions..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 6:15:42 GMT -5
i dont agree ´´you and i are one´´ is not just a theory--it is an account of an EXPERIENCE that people had for thousands of years. So within this imaginary illusion a lot can be done and discovered. Who cares if it is real or not. It is just a lot of fun. Like flying a kite. No REASON, just is what it is. So we find a lot of folk with all kinds of interpretations of ´´reality´´--they arent ´´wrong´´, and their way may actually be much more effective in making life work, than yours. So instead of pushing this rather useless knowledge, find the fastest way to happiness and freedom. Bye bye! You are not a good listener and I am not a good teacher either. sorry bro, did i offend you? What did i hear wrong? please?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 6:22:13 GMT -5
Bye bye! You are not a good listener and I am not a good teacher either. sorry bro, did i offend you? What did i hear wrong? please? No no, you did not offend me, relax please.
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Post by lolly on Feb 9, 2016 7:01:43 GMT -5
Flexibility of belief means knowing that beliefs will change over time, might be proved wrong, and will change according to evidence. Fixed beliefs mean beliefs that stay the same. As Dawkins put it "Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence." We only say science is 'priesthood' because because it replaced the church as the institution most associated with knowledge. since you quote Dawkins--on belief no less--i counter with ´´it takes a whole lot more belief to say that all is accidental, than to presume some kind of intelligence behind creation´´. Who said that?
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Post by laughter on Feb 9, 2016 7:05:04 GMT -5
Do you know who Werner Heisenberg was? He wrote a book relating his work to philosophy, and in it he concluded, essentially, that a rational mechanistic world view that had prevailed since before the European Enlightenment had gotten to the point where it had expressed it's opposite movement of chaotic madness and mass insanity -- the events of that time were the climax of that movement. He was in a rather unique position from which to make that observation. yeah...Heisenberg, aka Walter White... i recently read Hitler and his God. Interesting analysis, and like 1000 footnotes(quotes) from other researchers. This book goes into occult influences, Dietrich Eckart, the only one who survived hitlers purges and even had a bust in the Reichstag.Hitler was a medium, and got his inspiration for his battle campains (which his generals thought insane) from some demon. He was, militarily, incredibly lucky in the beginning.Of course the times were right for it. So Heisenberg may have a point. I was writing about the Philosophy of a great scientist and you reply with this drivel about the occult? Sad dude.
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