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Post by tenka on Feb 23, 2015 9:52:04 GMT -5
If I understand you correctly I would agree that one can change certain things by ways of one thoughts . Many understand the saying, we are what we eat and we are what we think we are so if we change what we eat and we change how we think then there becomes a level of change in relation to the change we make but something that is inherently conscious cannot be any different no matter what one eats or no matter what one thinks ... lols ... This may be irrelevant but if we take a newspaper, what can we say about its responsiveness? To me the main thing is, there is something that is reflected through it, but the material itself is not 'dead', also. Well in a way anyone that looks in the mirror day after day can quite possibly see something different about ourselves . Everything that we relate too be it something in the newspaper or whether it be passing judgement on the weather there is something of ourselves that we relate everything else too or with . In other words we can only relate to anything else through our own eyes and we can only relate by ways of reflection .
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Post by zin on Feb 23, 2015 19:04:05 GMT -5
This may be irrelevant but if we take a newspaper, what can we say about its responsiveness? To me the main thing is, there is something that is reflected through it, but the material itself is not 'dead', also. Well in a way anyone that looks in the mirror day after day can quite possibly see something different about ourselves . Everything that we relate too be it something in the newspaper or whether it be passing judgement on the weather there is something of ourselves that we relate everything else too or with . In other words we can only relate to anything else through our own eyes and we can only relate by ways of reflection . Thanks. One reflection: Today while walking I was thinking "is God around?", then I saw the shop's name I was passing by: "de facto" I like these things... I was going to ask about higher self/higher mind to you, I don't know how you name it. I used to speculate that people's higher minds were in contact. Now I don't know, but sometimes some writings I come across seem like pointing to it, like i-ching: "The superior man abides in his room. If his words are well spoken, he meets with assent at a distance of more than a thousand miles. How much more then from near by!" ...So, does everyone have a higher self? If there can be such a question, where does it live? (does it 'live'?) I can't understand the seeming irrelevance of physical things to 'higher' things. I mean, doesn't any difference occur for higher self when physical body 'dies'? I am just asking your opinions, I know there are websites on these things but I don't have any discrimination about what is what...
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Post by tenka on Feb 24, 2015 5:24:50 GMT -5
Well in a way anyone that looks in the mirror day after day can quite possibly see something different about ourselves . Everything that we relate too be it something in the newspaper or whether it be passing judgement on the weather there is something of ourselves that we relate everything else too or with . In other words we can only relate to anything else through our own eyes and we can only relate by ways of reflection . Thanks. One reflection: Today while walking I was thinking "is God around?", then I saw the shop's name I was passing by: "de facto" I like these things... I was going to ask about higher self/higher mind to you, I don't know how you name it. I used to speculate that people's higher minds were in contact. Now I don't know, but sometimes some writings I come across seem like pointing to it, like i-ching: "The superior man abides in his room. If his words are well spoken, he meets with assent at a distance of more than a thousand miles. How much more then from near by!" ...So, does everyone have a higher self? If there can be such a question, where does it live? (does it 'live'?) I can't understand the seeming irrelevance of physical things to 'higher' things. I mean, doesn't any difference occur for higher self when physical body 'dies'? I am just asking your opinions, I know there are websites on these things but I don't have any discrimination about what is what... Let me put it like this . What you are is all that is . What you are presently aware of at this moment in time is perhaps not a reflection of that . At a point one will realize that what you are is all that is . When one is of that realization (and this applies only to those that entertain the mind) will then perceive everything in the same light . So there is difference had between perceiving self as being all that is and not being all that is . It is a clear cut distinction between two points of self awareness had in relation to what you are . You can relate such vantage points had in a reflection of self as a lower and higher self / mind if one wants to take that route . Is there a higher self or higher mind somewhere else other than where you are at, I would tend to say not but as one's awareness of self changes so does everything else . It can appear for some as if there is some higher self inspiring us and such likes but I would say a window of opportunity becomes us or a moment of clarity that allows us to see differently .
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Post by tzujanli on Feb 24, 2015 6:53:43 GMT -5
Thanks. One reflection: Today while walking I was thinking "is God around?", then I saw the shop's name I was passing by: "de facto" I like these things... I was going to ask about higher self/higher mind to you, I don't know how you name it. I used to speculate that people's higher minds were in contact. Now I don't know, but sometimes some writings I come across seem like pointing to it, like i-ching: "The superior man abides in his room. If his words are well spoken, he meets with assent at a distance of more than a thousand miles. How much more then from near by!" ...So, does everyone have a higher self? If there can be such a question, where does it live? (does it 'live'?) I can't understand the seeming irrelevance of physical things to 'higher' things. I mean, doesn't any difference occur for higher self when physical body 'dies'? I am just asking your opinions, I know there are websites on these things but I don't have any discrimination about what is what... Let me put it like this . What you are is all that is . What you are presently aware of at this moment in time is perhaps not a reflection of that . At a point one will realize that what you are is all that is . When one is of that realization (and this applies only to those that entertain the mind) will then perceive everything in the same light . So there is difference had between perceiving self as being all that is and not being all that is . It is a clear cut distinction between two points of self awareness had in relation to what you are . You can relate such vantage points had in a reflection of self as a lower and higher self / mind if one wants to take that route . Is there a higher self or higher mind somewhere else other than where you are at, I would tend to say not but as one's awareness of self changes so does everything else . It can appear for some as if there is some higher self inspiring us and such likes but I would say a window of opportunity becomes us or a moment of clarity that allows us to see differently . What you are, is what you are.. "all that is", is your belief/idea 'about' what you are.. you see reflections, i see relationships..
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Post by tenka on Feb 24, 2015 7:29:06 GMT -5
Let me put it like this . What you are is all that is . What you are presently aware of at this moment in time is perhaps not a reflection of that . At a point one will realize that what you are is all that is . When one is of that realization (and this applies only to those that entertain the mind) will then perceive everything in the same light . So there is difference had between perceiving self as being all that is and not being all that is . It is a clear cut distinction between two points of self awareness had in relation to what you are . You can relate such vantage points had in a reflection of self as a lower and higher self / mind if one wants to take that route . Is there a higher self or higher mind somewhere else other than where you are at, I would tend to say not but as one's awareness of self changes so does everything else . It can appear for some as if there is some higher self inspiring us and such likes but I would say a window of opportunity becomes us or a moment of clarity that allows us to see differently . What you are, is what you are.. "all that is", is your belief/idea 'about' what you are.. you see reflections, i see relationships.. The realization gives one that impression . One can only work with what impressions one has . I see relationships in reflection of what we are . I see reflections in relationships .
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Post by zin on Feb 24, 2015 16:24:53 GMT -5
Thanks. One reflection: Today while walking I was thinking "is God around?", then I saw the shop's name I was passing by: "de facto" I like these things... I was going to ask about higher self/higher mind to you, I don't know how you name it. I used to speculate that people's higher minds were in contact. Now I don't know, but sometimes some writings I come across seem like pointing to it, like i-ching: "The superior man abides in his room. If his words are well spoken, he meets with assent at a distance of more than a thousand miles. How much more then from near by!" ...So, does everyone have a higher self? If there can be such a question, where does it live? (does it 'live'?) I can't understand the seeming irrelevance of physical things to 'higher' things. I mean, doesn't any difference occur for higher self when physical body 'dies'? I am just asking your opinions, I know there are websites on these things but I don't have any discrimination about what is what... Let me put it like this . What you are is all that is . What you are presently aware of at this moment in time is perhaps not a reflection of that . At a point one will realize that what you are is all that is . When one is of that realization (and this applies only to those that entertain the mind) will then perceive everything in the same light . So there is difference had between perceiving self as being all that is and not being all that is . It is a clear cut distinction between two points of self awareness had in relation to what you are . You can relate such vantage points had in a reflection of self as a lower and higher self / mind if one wants to take that route . Is there a higher self or higher mind somewhere else other than where you are at, I would tend to say not but as one's awareness of self changes so does everything else . It can appear for some as if there is some higher self inspiring us and such likes but I would say a window of opportunity becomes us or a moment of clarity that allows us to see differently . "It is a clear cut distinction between two points of self awareness had in relation to what you are"... I don't have a guess about how it would be after such a realization. There are accounts, yes, but I don't know. Are you saying that you have realized that what you are is all that is? My current idea is I am not so (but I must say that there is some 'lessening of boundaries'). If you say yes, how are your days passing? To me it sounds like saying "there isn't anything other than me" and then it sounds like there will be no surprises.. I mean you will be knowing everything?! Probably a wrong idea, but you also said "I see reflections in relationships".. This means 'reflections of yourself', right? Are you saying you don't know what reflection you will see when you meet someone for your job for example, but it will still be 'your' reflection? I am curious about all those things. Thanks for the answers.
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Post by tenka on Feb 25, 2015 3:05:49 GMT -5
Let me put it like this . What you are is all that is . What you are presently aware of at this moment in time is perhaps not a reflection of that . At a point one will realize that what you are is all that is . When one is of that realization (and this applies only to those that entertain the mind) will then perceive everything in the same light . So there is difference had between perceiving self as being all that is and not being all that is . It is a clear cut distinction between two points of self awareness had in relation to what you are . You can relate such vantage points had in a reflection of self as a lower and higher self / mind if one wants to take that route . Is there a higher self or higher mind somewhere else other than where you are at, I would tend to say not but as one's awareness of self changes so does everything else . It can appear for some as if there is some higher self inspiring us and such likes but I would say a window of opportunity becomes us or a moment of clarity that allows us to see differently . "It is a clear cut distinction between two points of self awareness had in relation to what you are"... I don't have a guess about how it would be after such a realization. There are accounts, yes, but I don't know. Are you saying that you have realized that what you are is all that is? My current idea is I am not so (but I must say that there is some 'lessening of boundaries'). If you say yes, how are your days passing? To me it sounds like saying "there isn't anything other than me" and then it sounds like there will be no surprises.. I mean you will be knowing everything?! Probably a wrong idea, but you also said "I see reflections in relationships".. This means 'reflections of yourself', right? Are you saying you don't know what reflection you will see when you meet someone for your job for example, but it will still be 'your' reflection? I am curious about all those things. Thanks for the answers. I have realized that there is only what you are . Stands only to reason that 'all that is', can only be what you are . When there is no mind to entertain a self full of reflections there is only what you are . Tis like being alone with your thoughts after a monkey mind drunken stupor . The moment one entertains stillness and quietness one can gather their thoughts, away from the hustle of the drama's that be . Realizing what you are is similar in some respect . When you have gone beyond the hustle and bustle of the mind, there is only what you are and nothing else . When one becomes aware of a realization had, one for use of a better word takes that understanding forward, forward into every other life experience had . That is why one has the impression thereafter that what you are is the tree, and what one makes of the tree or the sun is in reflection of self . I love the sun, I love beer, but hate the rain (only as an example) will simply reflect on some level how one relates themselves by a reflection of the sun, beer, the rain . Some might say I don't give a monkey's ar$e what the rain means to me or anyone else, and yet that too is a reflection relating to themselves . Relationships are the exact same reflection as above, what you don't like about others reflects upon the self . Its not the very same active reflection as in my partner is a bully so when I notice the bullying that makes me a bully also but it does takes one to know one if you get my meaning . Some can see the love in others no matter what they do . Some only see the love in others that are kind and selfless . Realizing that what you are is all that is doesn't mean there are no surprises but there is an understanding had of such surprises . In other words one understands there is no outside source that is responsible . The job interview reflection is the same as any other reflection for any reflection is a self reflection . (obviously 'self' is a term that many cannot agree terms on) lols . Whatever you think about in any shape or form will be in reflection of self .
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Post by lolly on Feb 25, 2015 3:09:04 GMT -5
what you are is only the sum of all that you are not
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Post by tenka on Feb 25, 2015 3:16:52 GMT -5
what you are is only the sum of all that you are not What you are not is a reflection of what you are that is not .... rather than is . I would say one would have to ascertain why one is, or is why one is not .
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Post by lolly on Feb 25, 2015 4:03:38 GMT -5
what you are is only the sum of all that you are not What you are not is a reflection of what you are that is not .... rather than is . I would say one would have to ascertain why one is, or is why one is not . 1) 'you are' in respect to 'you aren't'
2) on the contrary
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Post by tenka on Feb 25, 2015 4:31:45 GMT -5
What you are not is a reflection of what you are that is not .... rather than is . I would say one would have to ascertain why one is, or is why one is not . 1) 'you are' in respect to 'you aren't'
2) on the contrary
One succumbs to what is realized . What is realized is what one is .. rather than what one is not . . What one makes of what they are or what they are not only comes from realizing or not realizing what they are . The one that has realized what they are has no door left ajar to entertain what they are not because it will nullify what is realized . There is always scope to entertain both sides of anything but at a point both sides are the same .
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Post by lolly on Feb 25, 2015 7:54:10 GMT -5
1) 'you are' in respect to 'you aren't'
2) on the contrary
One succumbs to what is realized . What is realized is what one is .. rather than what one is not . . What one makes of what they are or what they are not only comes from realizing or not realizing what they are . The one that has realized what they are has no door left ajar to entertain what they are not because it will nullify what is realized . There is always scope to entertain both sides of anything but at a point both sides are the same . Have you heard the quote which goes something like, in wisdom I am nothing and in love I am everything, and between these two I move.?
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Post by tenka on Feb 25, 2015 8:28:46 GMT -5
One succumbs to what is realized . What is realized is what one is .. rather than what one is not . . What one makes of what they are or what they are not only comes from realizing or not realizing what they are . The one that has realized what they are has no door left ajar to entertain what they are not because it will nullify what is realized . There is always scope to entertain both sides of anything but at a point both sides are the same . Have you heard the quote which goes something like, in wisdom I am nothing and in love I am everything, and between these two I move.? Can't say I have exactly, but I do understand the reasoning behind such a quote . There is a reflection had based on what they relate themselves to be with love and wisdom .
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Post by lolly on Feb 25, 2015 8:50:39 GMT -5
Have you heard the quote which goes something like, in wisdom I am nothing and in love I am everything, and between these two I move.? Can't say I have exactly, but I do understand the reasoning behind such a quote . There is a reflection had based on what they relate themselves to be with love and wisdom . sounds much the Buddhist 'no view' where even being and not being are only views.
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Post by tenka on Feb 25, 2015 9:33:14 GMT -5
Can't say I have exactly, but I do understand the reasoning behind such a quote . There is a reflection had based on what they relate themselves to be with love and wisdom . sounds much the Buddhist 'no view' where even being and not being are only views. A point of view or a point of understanding had is perhaps all one can have in relation to what they perceive themselves to be . Where one stands in relation to everything will be through such a point . How one has come to such a perception point / point of view is perhaps relevant and will be in reflection of their understandings / views .
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