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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 22:17:39 GMT -5
Every One.. my, my. Is what you're saying original? I don't know if it's original or not.. Do you know what original means?
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Post by tzujanli on Jan 25, 2015 22:47:44 GMT -5
Unfortunate for everyone, you keep pursuing a belief that only exists in your desire to make 'Tzu' wrong.. Every One.. my, my. Is what you're saying original? I don't know if what i'm saying is original, others may have said it, too..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 23:15:08 GMT -5
Every One.. my, my. Is what you're saying original? I don't know if what i'm saying is original, others may have said it, too.. "the clarity afforded by the 'absence of thought' will reveal the treasure of 'now'.. " Has anyone on this forum ever pointed to what this sentence is pointing to, before?
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Post by enigma on Jan 26, 2015 0:31:49 GMT -5
Most of that 'everyone' (Tzu being the obvious exception) understands what he's saying already, or at least has heard it hundreds of times from many of the same members he struggles with. I'm wondering if the handmade wrapping paper that he puts around it, is what makes him think that it's unique. I'm going to indulge in a bit of speculation at this point. Given a rather deep level of unconsciousness, there are two aspects in play. * That which is rejected within is projected onto others in the form of accusation/condemnation. * That which is of interest in others is 'owned' by the self, and offered as one's own teaching. There is no conscious awareness of either aspect of the dynamic. The first aspect has a 'trigger' that centers around the idea that ego is the labeling and rejection of that which one does not like about oneself. The second aspect has a 'trigger' that centers around the idea of ownership. Both of these 'triggers' will suffer a personalized distortion of meaning in his mind, and likely lead to a disproportionate reaction.
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Post by enigma on Jan 26, 2015 0:56:56 GMT -5
Every One.. my, my. Is what you're saying original? I don't know if what i'm saying is original, others may have said it, too.. This is what you said, that you are uncertain if others may have said it too: "i am suggesting that the clarity afforded by the 'absence of thought' will reveal the treasure of 'now'".. That could have come straight out of a page from Tolle's 'Power of Now'. I'm not saying it did, I'm saying it's essentially what Tolle's book was about. It's also reflective of maybe hundreds of discussions here over the years. Absence of thought, stilling the mind, be present. There's absotively nothing unique about any of it. Is there a sense that you own those ideas in some way?
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Post by enigma on Jan 26, 2015 0:58:51 GMT -5
I don't know if what i'm saying is original, others may have said it, too.. "the clarity afforded by the 'absence of thought' will reveal the treasure of 'now'.. " Has anyone on this forum ever pointed to what this sentence is pointing to, before? You mean today?.....I'm not sure.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 5:48:28 GMT -5
I'm wondering if the handmade wrapping paper that he puts around it, is what makes him think that it's unique. I'm going to indulge in a bit of speculation at this point. Given a rather deep level of unconsciousness, there are two aspects in play. * That which is rejected within is projected onto others in the form of accusation/condemnation. * That which is of interest in others is 'owned' by the self, and offered as one's own teaching. There is no conscious awareness of either aspect of the dynamic. The first aspect has a 'trigger' that centers around the idea that ego is the labeling and rejection of that which one does not like about oneself. The second aspect has a 'trigger' that centers around the idea of ownership. Both of these 'triggers' will suffer a personalized distortion of meaning in his mind, and likely lead to a disproportionate reaction. * whispers quietly in E's shell-like* Yeah I know, though you do as ever, word it exceptionally well.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 5:55:49 GMT -5
I'm wondering if the handmade wrapping paper that he puts around it, is what makes him think that it's unique. I'm going to indulge in a bit of speculation at this point. Given a rather deep level of unconsciousness, there are two aspects in play. * That which is rejected within is projected onto others in the form of accusation/condemnation. * That which is of interest in others is 'owned' by the self, and offered as one's own teaching.
There is no conscious awareness of either aspect of the dynamic. The first aspect has a 'trigger' that centers around the idea that ego is the labeling and rejection of that which one does not like about oneself. The second aspect has a 'trigger' that centers around the idea of ownership. Both of these 'triggers' will suffer a personalized distortion of meaning in his mind, and likely lead to a disproportionate reaction. That's quite normal though isn't it? Normal in the sense that a lot of people do it, let's call it popular instead. Projection is nearly a fully recognised psychological behaviour from what I've seen, as in, it is not just a buzz word on this forum. And yeah, it's also popular that we teach what we most need to learn. Likely due to the unforeseen nature of what we are learning about..? There is a safety in trying it out on someone else and see where it goes or, what happens to it in them?
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Post by tzujanli on Jan 26, 2015 6:06:34 GMT -5
I don't know if what i'm saying is original, others may have said it, too.. This is what you said, that you are uncertain if others may have said it too: "i am suggesting that the clarity afforded by the 'absence of thought' will reveal the treasure of 'now'".. That could have come straight out of a page from Tolle's 'Power of Now'. I'm not saying it did, I'm saying it's essentially what Tolle's book was about. It's also reflective of maybe hundreds of discussions here over the years. Absence of thought, stilling the mind, be present. There's absotively nothing unique about any of it. Is there a sense that you own those ideas in some way?No, there's no sense of ownership, it's something i posted.. i repeat that understanding when others reveal their lack of a similar understanding.. i don't recall ever suggesting that the understanding is 'unique' to my understanding, and i am aware of hundreds of similar statements by others, some of which i agree with, some of which i remind the poster that they offer no evidence that they actually understand what that statement refers to..
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Post by tzujanli on Jan 26, 2015 6:13:52 GMT -5
I'm wondering if the handmade wrapping paper that he puts around it, is what makes him think that it's unique. I'm going to indulge in a bit of speculation at this point. Given a rather deep level of unconsciousness, there are two aspects in play. * That which is rejected within is projected onto others in the form of accusation/condemnation. * That which is of interest in others is 'owned' by the self, and offered as one's own teaching.
There is no conscious awareness of either aspect of the dynamic. The first aspect has a 'trigger' that centers around the idea that ego is the labeling and rejection of that which one does not like about oneself. The second aspect has a 'trigger' that centers around the idea of ownership.
Both of these 'triggers' will suffer a personalized distortion of meaning in his mind, and likely lead to a disproportionate reaction.You call it speculation, but it you painting another illusion about the actuality you don't like.. honestly, when you finally let go of your attachments to the beliefs that compel you to paint such illusions, you'll realize the burden of the painting.. you're trying to convince yourself and others that you are right, you do that because you have no evidence that you are..
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Post by tzujanli on Jan 26, 2015 6:19:08 GMT -5
I'm going to indulge in a bit of speculation at this point. Given a rather deep level of unconsciousness, there are two aspects in play. * That which is rejected within is projected onto others in the form of accusation/condemnation. * That which is of interest in others is 'owned' by the self, and offered as one's own teaching.
There is no conscious awareness of either aspect of the dynamic. The first aspect has a 'trigger' that centers around the idea that ego is the labeling and rejection of that which one does not like about oneself. The second aspect has a 'trigger' that centers around the idea of ownership. Both of these 'triggers' will suffer a personalized distortion of meaning in his mind, and likely lead to a disproportionate reaction. That's quite normal though isn't it? Normal in the sense that a lot of people do it, let's call it popular instead. Projection is nearly a fully recognised psychological behaviour from what I've seen, as in, it is not just a buzz word on this forum. And yeah, it's also popular that we teach what we most need to learn. Likely due to the unforeseen nature of what we are learning about..? There is a safety in trying it out on someone else and see where it goes or, what happens to it in them? You take that perspective because in trying to teach others about oneness/nonduality you realize it's not real, but.. your attachment to it compels you to keep trying to learn it in hopes that it might become real..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 6:38:27 GMT -5
That's quite normal though isn't it? Normal in the sense that a lot of people do it, let's call it popular instead. Projection is nearly a fully recognised psychological behaviour from what I've seen, as in, it is not just a buzz word on this forum. And yeah, it's also popular that we teach what we most need to learn. Likely due to the unforeseen nature of what we are learning about..? There is a safety in trying it out on someone else and see where it goes or, what happens to it in them? You take that perspective because in trying to teach others about oneness/nonduality you realize it's not real, but.. your attachment to it compels you to keep trying to learn it in hopes that it might become real.. Yeah, you're right any teaching of it isn't real. Though you can't make head nor tail of that can you?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 6:49:31 GMT -5
This is what you said, that you are uncertain if others may have said it too: "i am suggesting that the clarity afforded by the 'absence of thought' will reveal the treasure of 'now'".. That could have come straight out of a page from Tolle's 'Power of Now'. I'm not saying it did, I'm saying it's essentially what Tolle's book was about. It's also reflective of maybe hundreds of discussions here over the years. Absence of thought, stilling the mind, be present. There's absotively nothing unique about any of it. Is there a sense that you own those ideas in some way?No, there's no sense of ownership, it's something i posted.. i repeat that understanding when others reveal their lack of a similar understanding.. i don't recall ever suggesting that the understanding is 'unique' to my understanding, and i am aware of hundreds of similar statements by others, some of which i agree with, some of which i remind the poster that they offer no evidence that they actually understand what that statement refers to..How noble and principled you are. I gather from your words that the depth of your understanding is unparalleled around these parts. And really, I feel truly indebted that you frequent such a place as often as you do, sharing the gems of your varied, deeply exotic and richly learned life. All praise to Allah (BBUH)
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Post by tzujanli on Jan 26, 2015 6:58:29 GMT -5
No, there's no sense of ownership, it's something i posted.. i repeat that understanding when others reveal their lack of a similar understanding.. i don't recall ever suggesting that the understanding is 'unique' to my understanding, and i am aware of hundreds of similar statements by others, some of which i agree with, some of which i remind the poster that they offer no evidence that they actually understand what that statement refers to..How noble and principled you are. I gather from your words that the depth of your understanding is unparalleled around these parts. And really, I feel truly indebted that you frequent such a place as often as you do, sharing the gems of your varied, deeply exotic and richly learned life. All praise to Allah (BBUH) Similarly, i feel for you and the pain you exhibit, and your blind attachment to defeating the illusions you are blindly attached to.. it all goes away when you let it go, can you do that?.. it's brilliantly easy, just let go..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 9:09:05 GMT -5
How noble and principled you are. I gather from your words that the depth of your understanding is unparalleled around these parts. And really, I feel truly indebted that you frequent such a place as often as you do, sharing the gems of your varied, deeply exotic and richly learned life. All praise to Allah (BBUH) Similarly, i feel for you and the pain you exhibit, and your blind attachment to defeating the illusions you are blindly attached to.. it all goes away when you let it go, can you do that?.. it's brilliantly easy, just let go.. Oh what a kind and generous man you are. I do wish you were my dad.
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