soulvitamin
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Post by soulvitamin on Sept 20, 2014 16:41:34 GMT -5
So...
As mentioned earlier introducing my HUGE EGO that "no agenda" as approach to meditative state, actually, is agenda as well.
Someone replied saying that I can, actually, become free of agenda.
How?
In my understanding, any intention/intent is a "goal", so to speak, thus, agenda is right behind it.
Or not?...
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Post by steven on Sept 20, 2014 17:01:18 GMT -5
So... As mentioned earlier introducing my HUGE EGO that "no agenda" as approach to meditative state, actually, is agenda as well. Someone replied saying that I can, actually, become free of agenda. How? In my understanding, any intention/intent is a "goal", so to speak, thus, agenda is right behind it. Or not?... Do you have something against 'agenda'? Also, in a universe made of movement, flow, change, becoming still for periods can require some effort, much like standing in one place in the current of a river. This can help one get their bearings so to speak...to reset if you will, so that one can then more comfortably let go, and float in the flow of the current. This is especially useful if one is feeling tossed about by the river of life...nothing wrong or unusual about that. |
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Post by silver on Sept 20, 2014 17:37:24 GMT -5
So... As mentioned earlier introducing my HUGE EGO that "no agenda" as approach to meditative state, actually, is agenda as well. Someone replied saying that I can, actually, become free of agenda. How? In my understanding, any intention/intent is a "goal", so to speak, thus, agenda is right behind it. Or not?... I think they were just playing around with words and having a grin about it, in the welcome thread. It would make life really difficult, to be splitting hairs like that every time you turn around, heh. You could circumvent the whole agenda / intention issue by saying that you're just doing it for fun and experimentation.  ...but that would be a 'reason' or agenda, too!  |
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Post by soulvitamin on Sept 20, 2014 17:39:17 GMT -5
Agenda binds and blinds you, limiting you, gives you hopes and expectations.
And it's not that I'm against 'agenda'...
I just feel lost and empty, things are meaningless and there is no point for boring existence.
Where is my zest for life?
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Post by silver on Sept 20, 2014 17:45:45 GMT -5
Agenda binds and blinds you, limiting you, gives you hopes and expectations. And it's not that I'm against 'agenda'... I just feel lost and empty, things are meaningless and there is no point for boring existence. Where is my zest for life? As Homer Simpson would say, 'It's usually in the last place you look." Experiencing some ennui, are we? I'm not trying to make light of your plight. |
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Post by soulvitamin on Sept 20, 2014 18:24:52 GMT -5
Ha-ha!
Ennui! That's the word!
It goes for me like waves of 'ups' and 'downs'.
One minute I am all excited and full of sensuality.
The other minute makes no sense of being.
Where this is coming from?
Maybe I should have an agenda and follow it without questioning anything...
But my mind keeps me coming back and ask again and again - Who Am I?
BTW, some strange thing happened once.
I browsed internet and found Ramana Maharshi explaining how to still your mind with this <who am I?> question.
And I decided to give it a try simply out of curiosity.
That was a very strange experience and scary too...
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Post by silver on Sept 20, 2014 19:35:03 GMT -5
Ha-ha! Ennui! That's the word! It goes for me like waves of 'ups' and 'downs'. One minute I am all excited and full of sensuality. The other minute makes no sense of being. Where this is coming from? Maybe I should have an agenda and follow it without questioning anything... But my mind keeps me coming back and ask again and again - Who Am I? BTW, some strange thing happened once. I browsed internet and found Ramana Maharshi explaining how to still your mind with this <who am I?> question. And I decided to give it a try simply out of curiosity. That was a very strange experience and scary too... It's not coming from anywhere, but you are too focused on when you do get bored or frustrated or anxious. I was just reading in Adyashanti's book, Emptiness Dancing, and the reminder about just observing these times, and they will come and go a lot faster (my words) if you don't make them larger than any other moment, if you know what I mean. And he mentions about simply being grateful for each and every moment. |
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Post by enigma on Sept 20, 2014 20:57:06 GMT -5
Agenda binds and blinds you, limiting you, gives you hopes and expectations. And it's not that I'm against 'agenda'... I just feel lost and empty, things are meaningless and there is no point for boring existence. Where is my zest for life? What if your agenda were to see the truth in everything and to be free? Would that still bind and blind you? What if your agenda were to follow your deepest passion? I don't think it's about agendas, as such, but rather the specific nature of the agenda. In following your agenda are you opening or closing, expanding or contracting, clinging or letting go, controlling or allowing, accepting or rejecting, appreciating or expecting? What would it be like to step into a relationship with the agenda of opening, expanding, allowing, accepting, appreciating? |
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Post by soulvitamin on Sept 21, 2014 1:20:42 GMT -5
"What would it be like to step into a relationship with the agenda of opening, expanding, allowing, accepting, appreciating?"
Logically/ideally that could be great!
But it will be short lived because each one of mentioned above cannot exist without an opposite background (closing, contracting, controlling, rejecting, expecting).
It's like different colors against each other, without diversity there is No-Thing.
Sometimes I think that "All That Is" - a simple game of "hide & seek" in ETERNITY.....
There is no escape from this game and we are doomed to play it forever and ever.
Don't you think?
What kind of "masturbating Mind" is it?
Are we real?
Or some kind of holograms pretending to be real?
My "Ego-I" really wants to know and get to the bottom of this circus.....
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Post by laughter on Sept 21, 2014 2:20:51 GMT -5
My "Ego-I" really wants to know and get to the bottom of this circus..... What, other than that, can sustain an agenda? |
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Post by steven on Sept 21, 2014 2:34:12 GMT -5
Agenda binds and blinds you, limiting you, gives you hopes and expectations. And it's not that I'm against 'agenda'... I just feel lost and empty, things are meaningless and there is no point for boring existence. Where is my zest for life? Lost in too much thinking, and not enough doing. |
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Post by laughter on Sept 21, 2014 2:42:57 GMT -5
"What would it be like to step into a relationship with the agenda of opening, expanding, allowing, accepting, appreciating?" Logically/ideally that could be great! But it will be short lived because each one of mentioned above cannot exist without an opposite background (closing, contracting, controlling, rejecting, expecting). It's like different colors against each other, without diversity there is No-Thing. Sometimes I think that "All That Is" - a simple game of "hide & seek" in ETERNITY..... There is no escape from this game and we are doomed to play it forever and ever. Don't you think? What kind of "masturbating Mind" is it? Are we real? Or some kind of holograms pretending to be real? My "Ego-I" really wants to know and get to the bottom of this circus..... edit: sv: if this strikes you as condescending, feel free to complain about that! sv, I can't disagree with Steve's point, but as you process it please know that: 1) There's nothing wrong with thinking about the question's you've posed. We sometimes refer to a process here as "the informing of mind". 2) Lot's of us have gone through periods with really intense mental interest in these sorts of questions. From my experience, letting the thinking process run wild on these types of questions ultimately led to the recognition that thinking about them would never reveal anything interesting, useful, or even really, final. What eventually informs mind isn't mind, and the informing doesn't involve information or a feeling. Now that might sound like crazy talk -- feel free to flame it! ... but it is, what it is.  |
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Post by Reefs on Sept 21, 2014 5:05:44 GMT -5
So... As mentioned earlier introducing my HUGE EGO that "no agenda" as approach to meditative state, actually, is agenda as well. Someone replied saying that I can, actually, become free of agenda. How? In my understanding, any intention/intent is a "goal", so to speak, thus, agenda is right behind it. Or not?... Depends on what you mean with 'I'... ETA: He said 'be' free and not 'become' free. You can actually be free of any agenda. |
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Post by Reefs on Sept 21, 2014 5:15:35 GMT -5
So... As mentioned earlier introducing my HUGE EGO that "no agenda" as approach to meditative state, actually, is agenda as well. Someone replied saying that I can, actually, become free of agenda. How? In my understanding, any intention/intent is a "goal", so to speak, thus, agenda is right behind it. Or not?... Do you have something against 'agenda'? Also, in a universe made of movement, flow, change, becoming still for periods can require some effort, much like standing in one place in the current of a river. This can help one get their bearings so to speak...to reset if you will, so that one can then more comfortably let go, and float in the flow of the current. This is especially useful if one is feeling tossed about by the river of life...nothing wrong or unusual about that. Since all states are natural states, having an agenda is totally natural, right? |
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Post by Reefs on Sept 21, 2014 5:17:10 GMT -5
So... As mentioned earlier introducing my HUGE EGO that "no agenda" as approach to meditative state, actually, is agenda as well. Someone replied saying that I can, actually, become free of agenda. How? In my understanding, any intention/intent is a "goal", so to speak, thus, agenda is right behind it. Or not?... I think they were just playing around with words and having a grin about it, in the welcome thread. It would make life really difficult, to be splitting hairs like that every time you turn around, heh. You could circumvent the whole agenda / intention issue by saying that you're just doing it for fun and experimentation.
...but that would be a 'reason' or agenda, too! Yeah, there seems to be no way out if you have an action journey approach, hehe. |
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