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Post by whiteshaman on Apr 14, 2014 12:39:54 GMT -5
I don't think that's what I mean, but I don't really know what you mean by it. Otherness appears, and at first glance it would seem that holding hands is about connecting with it on an intimate level. Apparently, it's more about connecting with self, and I don't really have any comment about that at the moment. I wouldn't say its 'about' connecting with self. It's being present from the perspective of the empty space that you are. Otherness allows you to see the reflection of what otherwise has no reflection....the empty aware space that I am. It seems to me that there cannot be one without the other. They are one and they are eternal. I can have a perspective from either side of the coin and/or both.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 12:55:23 GMT -5
I wouldn't say its 'about' connecting with self. It's being present from the perspective of the empty space that you are. Otherness allows you to see the reflection of what otherwise has no reflection....the empty aware space that I am. It seems to me that there cannot be one without the other. They are one and they are eternal. I can have a perspective from either side of the coin and/or both. Some say that you can be one without the other but you can't be the other without the one. I don't get it myself.
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Post by whiteshaman on Apr 14, 2014 13:07:49 GMT -5
Some say that you can be one without the other but you can't be the other without the one. I don't get it myself. I would reword it and say that there never was nor ever will be one without the other. One being the aware empty space that you are and the other being THIS.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 14:30:17 GMT -5
Some say that you can be one without the other but you can't be the other without the one. I don't get it myself. I would reword it and say that there never was nor ever will be one without the other. One being the aware empty space that you are and the other being THIS. Some have said that there are other minds but only one consciousness. In a sense it clears up the the otherness and there is only you intellectual understanding for me.
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Post by whiteshaman on Apr 14, 2014 14:49:25 GMT -5
I would reword it and say that there never was nor ever will be one without the other. One being the aware empty space that you are and the other being THIS. Some have said that there are other minds but only one consciousness. In a sense it clears up the the otherness and there is only you intellectual understanding for me. What I have found is that there are no questions arising from the empty space or sameness about otherness. What it appears to be is what it is. It can be anything.
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Post by laughter on Apr 14, 2014 16:40:54 GMT -5
I would reword it and say that there never was nor ever will be one without the other. One being the aware empty space that you are and the other being THIS. Some have said that there are other minds but only one consciousness. In a sense it clears up the the otherness and there is only you intellectual understanding for me. Unitive consciousness replaces the idea of individuated and isolated instances of consciousness that arise from a shared physical reality. It's appealing for a number of reasons, and the bottom line is that it provides an explanation (that replaces the old one of objective reality) of how we're able to communicate and understand each other at all. Any idea like this though, stands in between us and the knowledge of what we really are. Like any other idea it is subject to questioning, and like any other idea that purports to form the basis as an explanation for reality, it is bound to fail in the face of the questioning.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 16:52:08 GMT -5
Some have said that there are other minds but only one consciousness. In a sense it clears up the the otherness and there is only you intellectual understanding for me. Unitive consciousness replaces the idea of individuated and isolated instances of consciousness that arise from a shared physical reality. It's appealing for a number of reasons, and the bottom line is that it provides an explanation (that replaces the old one of objective reality) of how we're able to communicate and understand each other at all. Any idea like this though, stands in between us and the knowledge of what we really are. Like any other idea it is subject to questioning, and like any other idea that purports to form the basis as an explanation for reality, it is bound to fail in the face of the questioning. Do you think the physical descriptions of reality stand up under questioning better than the metaphysical models do?
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Post by laughter on Apr 14, 2014 16:52:32 GMT -5
Some say that you can be one without the other but you can't be the other without the one. I don't get it myself. if there was only the other then the other would be the one! Hey, it's a cheap trick but ... Awareness, openness, spaciousness, all great pointers that put us on notice. But we are none of those.
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Post by laughter on Apr 14, 2014 16:55:21 GMT -5
Unitive consciousness replaces the idea of individuated and isolated instances of consciousness that arise from a shared physical reality. It's appealing for a number of reasons, and the bottom line is that it provides an explanation (that replaces the old one of objective reality) of how we're able to communicate and understand each other at all. Any idea like this though, stands in between us and the knowledge of what we really are. Like any other idea it is subject to questioning, and like any other idea that purports to form the basis as an explanation for reality, it is bound to fail in the face of the questioning. Do you think the physical descriptions of reality stand up under questioning better than the metaphysical models do? Well my opinion on that is that the purely physical models collapsed based on where they naturally led the mind to seek and observe 80+ years ago. As for the metaphysical models, they're literally rooted in nothing to begin with.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 17:05:12 GMT -5
Some have said that there are other minds but only one consciousness. In a sense it clears up the the otherness and there is only you intellectual understanding for me. Unitive consciousness replaces the idea of individuated and isolated instances of consciousness that arise from a shared physical reality. It's appealing for a number of reasons, and the bottom line is that it provides an explanation (that replaces the old one of objective reality) of how we're able to communicate and understand each other at all. Any idea like this though, stands in between us and the knowledge of what we really are. Like any other idea it is subject to questioning, and like any other idea that purports to form the basis as an explanation for reality, it is bound to fail in the face of the questioning. Yes, it's not meant to stand between us and the knowledge of what we really are. It's meant as a way of living in the world once we've realized what we really are.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 17:13:56 GMT -5
Some say that you can be one without the other but you can't be the other without the one. I don't get it myself. if there was only the other then the other would be the one! Hey, it's a cheap trick but ... Awareness, openness, spaciousness, all great pointers that put us on notice. But we are none of those. Yes, I never thought they were what we are. They are only objects for the mind. What we are cannot be an object.
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Post by laughter on Apr 14, 2014 17:51:04 GMT -5
if there was only the other then the other would be the one! Hey, it's a cheap trick but ... Awareness, openness, spaciousness, all great pointers that put us on notice. But we are none of those. Yes, I never thought they were what we are. They are only objects for the mind. What we are cannot be an object.
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Post by laughter on Apr 14, 2014 17:51:49 GMT -5
Unitive consciousness replaces the idea of individuated and isolated instances of consciousness that arise from a shared physical reality. It's appealing for a number of reasons, and the bottom line is that it provides an explanation (that replaces the old one of objective reality) of how we're able to communicate and understand each other at all. Any idea like this though, stands in between us and the knowledge of what we really are. Like any other idea it is subject to questioning, and like any other idea that purports to form the basis as an explanation for reality, it is bound to fail in the face of the questioning. Yes, it's not meant to stand between us and the knowledge of what we really are. It's meant as a way of living in the world once we've realized what we really are. Hmmmm ... I see it as exactly upside down from that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 18:04:31 GMT -5
Yes, it's not meant to stand between us and the knowledge of what we really are. It's meant as a way of living in the world once we've realized what we really are. Hmmmm ... I see it as exactly upside down from that. Anything is possible.
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Post by laughter on Apr 14, 2014 18:09:12 GMT -5
Hmmmm ... I see it as exactly upside down from that. Anything is possible. The only way of limitless possibility -- the only way of living in the world that embodies self realization -- is a way absent of limitation.
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