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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 18:26:42 GMT -5
Anything is possible. The only way of limitless possibility -- the only way of living in the world that embodies self realization -- is a way absent of limitation. We have always been living in a world of limitless possibility and absent of limitation. But we didn't know it. Awakening then becomes the act of living in a world of limitless possibility and absent of limitation "knowingly".
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Post by laughter on Apr 14, 2014 18:29:50 GMT -5
The only way of limitless possibility -- the only way of living in the world that embodies self realization -- is a way absent of limitation. We have always been living in a world of limitless possibility and absent of limitation. But we didn't know it. Awakening then becomes the act of living in a world of limitless possibility and absent of limitation "knowingly". Any idea, including unitive consciousness, embodies limitation.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 18:32:55 GMT -5
We have always been living in a world of limitless possibility and absent of limitation. But we didn't know it. Awakening then becomes the act of living in a world of limitless possibility and absent of limitation "knowingly". Any idea, including unitive consciousness, embodies limitation. Yes, but that which knows that is limitless, open, eternal, always on, and is now.
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Post by enigma on Apr 14, 2014 18:38:29 GMT -5
I don't think that's what I mean, but I don't really know what you mean by it. Otherness appears, and at first glance it would seem that holding hands is about connecting with it on an intimate level. Apparently, it's more about connecting with self, and I don't really have any comment about that at the moment. Yes otherness appears and for some the belief in no-other is imagined becoming another story that temporarily masks the sense of separateness. So it never actually gets to the root of the sense of separation. Which is where the exploration seems to be headed. I understood the holding of hands not as a connecting with otherness but as a way to stay close to the actual experiential understanding of no-other. Cool, whatever works for you.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 18:41:19 GMT -5
Yes otherness appears and for some the belief in no-other is imagined becoming another story that temporarily masks the sense of separateness. So it never actually gets to the root of the sense of separation. Which is where the exploration seems to be headed. I understood the holding of hands not as a connecting with otherness but as a way to stay close to the actual experiential understanding of no-other. Cool, whatever works for you.
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Post by enigma on Apr 14, 2014 18:42:22 GMT -5
I don't think that's what I mean, but I don't really know what you mean by it. Otherness appears, and at first glance it would seem that holding hands is about connecting with it on an intimate level. Apparently, it's more about connecting with self, and I don't really have any comment about that at the moment. I wouldn't say its about connecting with self. That's eggzakly what you did say. Okay.
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Post by enigma on Apr 14, 2014 18:48:20 GMT -5
Some say that you can be one without the other but you can't be the other without the one. I don't get it myself. There isn't a "the one". Oneness is what we're calling self, and the reflection of self, and whatever other distinctions we want to make. However, appearances don't have to appear. There isn't something that depends on it any more than something requires a reflection in a mirror in order to exist. You exist whether or not you can see your reflection.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 18:54:00 GMT -5
Some say that you can be one without the other but you can't be the other without the one. I don't get it myself. There isn't a "the one". Oneness is what we're calling self, and the reflection of self, and whatever other distinctions we want to make. However, appearances don't have to appear. There isn't something that depends on it any more than something requires a reflection in a mirror in order to exist. You exist whether or not you can see your reflection. Now that I get.
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Post by laughter on Apr 14, 2014 20:26:05 GMT -5
There isn't a "the one". Oneness is what we're calling self, and the reflection of self, and whatever other distinctions we want to make. However, appearances don't have to appear. There isn't something that depends on it any more than something requires a reflection in a mirror in order to exist. You exist whether or not you can see your reflection. Now that I get. Nice havin' a resident frogman around for those deep dive expeditions!
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Post by enigma on Apr 14, 2014 20:46:21 GMT -5
Nice havin' a resident frogman around for those deep dive expeditions!
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Post by laughter on Apr 14, 2014 20:54:21 GMT -5
Nice havin' a resident frogman around for those deep dive expeditions! (** fires harpoon at no spot on the pond in particular in a fit of blind rage **)
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Post by whiteshaman on Apr 14, 2014 21:24:37 GMT -5
Some say that you can be one without the other but you can't be the other without the one. I don't get it myself. There isn't a "the one". Oneness is what we're calling self, and the reflection of self, and whatever other distinctions we want to make. However, appearances don't have to appear. There isn't something that depends on it any more than something requires a reflection in a mirror in order to exist. You exist whether or not you can see your reflection. Appearances appear......and they reflect. I exist as appearances, meaning THIS is being. There is no self apart from being. That isn't saying they have to appear, that's saying they do, always did and always will. Self is a two sided coin. That is what I awakened to
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Post by enigma on Apr 14, 2014 23:14:20 GMT -5
(** fires harpoon at no spot on the pond in particular in a fit of blind rage **) Quit while you still have both arms, Capt'n Ahab.
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Post by enigma on Apr 14, 2014 23:16:52 GMT -5
There isn't a "the one". Oneness is what we're calling self, and the reflection of self, and whatever other distinctions we want to make. However, appearances don't have to appear. There isn't something that depends on it any more than something requires a reflection in a mirror in order to exist. You exist whether or not you can see your reflection. Appearances appear......and they reflect. I exist as appearances, meaning THIS is being. There is no self apart from being. That isn't saying they have to appear, that's saying they do, always did and always will. Self is a two sided coin. That is what I awakened to How do you know appearances will always appear? If they did not, would you cease to exist?
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Post by whiteshaman on Apr 15, 2014 5:05:36 GMT -5
Appearances appear......and they reflect. I exist as appearances, meaning THIS is being. There is no self apart from being. That isn't saying they have to appear, that's saying they do, always did and always will. Self is a two sided coin. That is what I awakened to How do you know appearances will always appear? If they did not, would you cease to exist? We would have to clarify the words 'know', 'appearances' , 'you' and 'if' for me to understand what you are asking. Oh and also the word 'exist'
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