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Post by enigma on Apr 13, 2014 22:17:11 GMT -5
Or possibly the opposite. Or possibly not Experiencing the person as a unique expression has nothing to do with seeing otherness as self, though it has a great deal to do with 'coming empty' to that encounter, and so removing all boundaries is key. However, this is not done with the hands but with the heart. One must 'fall into' the other with the knowing that the painter of the pictures will catch you. This is Love, and it moves in your absence.
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Post by enigma on Apr 13, 2014 22:18:17 GMT -5
Or possibly the opposite. Anything is possible. True dat.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2014 22:34:37 GMT -5
Experiencing the person as a unique expression has nothing to do with seeing otherness as self, though it has a great deal to do with 'coming empty' to that encounter, and so removing all boundaries is key. However, this is not done with the hands but with the heart. One must 'fall into' the other with the knowing that the painter of the pictures will catch you. This is Love, and it moves in your absence. I wouldn't say it, but some say that there is no other. That what you describe is more like falling back into ones self as the veil of thoughts, feelings and perceptions naturally dissolve. Leaving what has always been here, pure knowing, pure experiencing, pure consciousness.
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Post by laughter on Apr 13, 2014 22:41:32 GMT -5
Experiencing the person as a unique expression has nothing to do with seeing otherness as self, though it has a great deal to do with 'coming empty' to that encounter, and so removing all boundaries is key. However, this is not done with the hands but with the heart. One must 'fall into' the other with the knowing that the painter of the pictures will catch you. This is Love, and it moves in your absence. I wouldn't say it, but some say that there is no other. That what you describe is more like falling back into ones self as the veil of thoughts, feelings and perceptions naturally dissolve. Leaving what has always been here, pure knowing, pure experiencing, pure consciousness. The truth that there is no I is balanced in the paradox by the truth that there is a you.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2014 23:08:05 GMT -5
I wouldn't say it, but some say that there is no other. That what you describe is more like falling back into ones self as the veil of thoughts, feelings and perceptions naturally dissolve. Leaving what has always been here, pure knowing, pure experiencing, pure consciousness. The truth that there is no I is balanced in the paradox by the truth that there is a you. The truth of perspectives.
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Post by enigma on Apr 14, 2014 0:56:12 GMT -5
Experiencing the person as a unique expression has nothing to do with seeing otherness as self, though it has a great deal to do with 'coming empty' to that encounter, and so removing all boundaries is key. However, this is not done with the hands but with the heart. One must 'fall into' the other with the knowing that the painter of the pictures will catch you. This is Love, and it moves in your absence. I wouldn't say it, but some say that there is no other. That what you describe is more like falling back into ones self as the veil of thoughts, feelings and perceptions naturally dissolve. Leaving what has always been here, pure knowing, pure experiencing, pure consciousness. There is no other, but this thread seems to be about connecting with otherness rather than obliterating it. Or maybe I've completely misunderstood the intention.
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Post by laughter on Apr 14, 2014 1:18:08 GMT -5
I wouldn't say it, but some say that there is no other. That what you describe is more like falling back into ones self as the veil of thoughts, feelings and perceptions naturally dissolve. Leaving what has always been here, pure knowing, pure experiencing, pure consciousness. There is no other, but this thread seems to be about connecting with otherness rather than obliterating it. Or maybe I've completely misunderstood the intention. Ok well maybe this will help but of course (** clears throat and steps a few feet away from E' **) this isn't an invitation, ok?
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Post by whiteshaman on Apr 14, 2014 5:17:58 GMT -5
I wouldn't say it, but some say that there is no other. That what you describe is more like falling back into ones self as the veil of thoughts, feelings and perceptions naturally dissolve. Leaving what has always been here, pure knowing, pure experiencing, pure consciousness. There is no other, but this thread seems to be about connecting with otherness rather than obliterating it. Or maybe I've completely misunderstood the intention. Yes but it's more about connecting with self thru otherness.
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Post by topology on Apr 14, 2014 9:18:51 GMT -5
There is no other, but this thread seems to be about connecting with otherness rather than obliterating it. Or maybe I've completely misunderstood the intention. Yes but it's more about connecting with self thru otherness. Is that an active endeavor or effortless stemming from ones inherent nature?
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Post by whiteshaman on Apr 14, 2014 9:33:15 GMT -5
Yes but it's more about connecting with self thru otherness. Is that an active endeavor or effortless stemming from ones inherent nature? Putting my attention there is an active endeavor. The rest is effortless stemming from what I am. Because although it has no qualities persay, it holds everything, it is the empty aware space that all arises in, capacity.
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Post by enigma on Apr 14, 2014 9:39:17 GMT -5
There is no other, but this thread seems to be about connecting with otherness rather than obliterating it. Or maybe I've completely misunderstood the intention. Yes but it's more about connecting with self thru otherness. Okay.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 11:26:49 GMT -5
I wouldn't say it, but some say that there is no other. That what you describe is more like falling back into ones self as the veil of thoughts, feelings and perceptions naturally dissolve. Leaving what has always been here, pure knowing, pure experiencing, pure consciousness. There is no other, but this thread seems to be about connecting with otherness rather than obliterating it. Or maybe I've completely misunderstood the intention. If by connecting with otherness rather than obliterating it you are referring to the separate self imagining by overlaying a story of no other, then I would agree with that understanding.
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Post by enigma on Apr 14, 2014 11:50:37 GMT -5
There is no other, but this thread seems to be about connecting with otherness rather than obliterating it. Or maybe I've completely misunderstood the intention. If by connecting with otherness rather than obliterating it you are referring to the separate self imagining by overlaying a story of no other, then I would agree with that understanding. I don't think that's what I mean, but I don't really know what you mean by it. Otherness appears, and at first glance it would seem that holding hands is about connecting with it on an intimate level. Apparently, it's more about connecting with self, and I don't really have any comment about that at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 12:22:17 GMT -5
If by connecting with otherness rather than obliterating it you are referring to the separate self imagining by overlaying a story of no other, then I would agree with that understanding. I don't think that's what I mean, but I don't really know what you mean by it. Otherness appears, and at first glance it would seem that holding hands is about connecting with it on an intimate level. Apparently, it's more about connecting with self, and I don't really have any comment about that at the moment. Yes otherness appears and for some the belief in no-other is imagined becoming another story that temporarily masks the sense of separateness. So it never actually gets to the root of the sense of separation. Which is where the exploration seems to be headed. I understood the holding of hands not as a connecting with otherness but as a way to stay close to the actual experiential understanding of no-other.
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Post by whiteshaman on Apr 14, 2014 12:39:21 GMT -5
If by connecting with otherness rather than obliterating it you are referring to the separate self imagining by overlaying a story of no other, then I would agree with that understanding. I don't think that's what I mean, but I don't really know what you mean by it. Otherness appears, and at first glance it would seem that holding hands is about connecting with it on an intimate level. Apparently, it's more about connecting with self, and I don't really have any comment about that at the moment. I wouldn't say its about connecting with self. I would say that otherness allows you to see the reflection of what otherwise has no reflection....the empty aware space that I am. It seems to me that there cannot be one without the other. They are one and they are eternal.
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