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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Apr 5, 2014 7:32:28 GMT -5
Simple? How about this Take a look. Don't say anything. Don't think anything. Don't remember the past or imagine the future. Look through the "blah blah blah," and let it take your breath away. Sounds simple, but unfortunately it doesn't work. And I've tried for a very long time.
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Post by freejoy on Apr 5, 2014 8:19:12 GMT -5
So you believe in the mystical?
I think there are certain qualities one can say true Enlightenment would have. Wouldn't you?
You could, but as long as you seek those qualities, you will be turning away from 'enlightenment'. Better to just be very alert, and not know, or seek. I just mostly look at things and listen without trying to think about what I'm looking and listening to.
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Post by freejoy on Apr 5, 2014 8:22:31 GMT -5
Jesus got mad and then if you watched this old video of UG ...that guy went bullistic, so much so that they cut the video short. About halos, I read where some saints would light up while praying. Lighting up can happen anytime. Grounding in the delicate denser frequencies and richer tones of love that humanity is capable of, is essential for making the light companionable for other people. If that don't work put a t-shirt on. Or if you're a girl, halternecks work just as well.. I'm grounding myself ...literally. I have aluminum tape running from the bottom of my shoe to the inside for now. :)
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Apr 5, 2014 8:22:59 GMT -5
You have no doubt that you will die sooner than you imagine, or, you have no doubt that seriousness best kick in with a capital S, right about now? I hope to live a very long life, but no guarantee. I meant best get Serious. sdp
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Apr 5, 2014 8:26:06 GMT -5
First of all, I'm not a non-dualist, at least in the accepted sense. What you're asking for is a recipe. There is one but it's in stages. There are barriers one has to pass to get to the next stage, gates. All the barriers are actually inside one, but sometimes they look external. Everything is a test. The first stage is to recognize the teaching. If what I'm saying is accurate here, you have to at least recognize that it is a beginning. If you don't, end of story, you move on to something else. I have to give a little background. We are born as essence, our true self, who we are meant to be. Essence comes down from a higher level of reality, an invisible higher dimension. Essence grows when we are born but simultaneously personality/ego begins to form. What it means for essence to grow is that the food we eat, the air we breath and the energy that enters us through the five senses as impressions goes in-to feeding essence. What it means for personality to form is all the information that enters us is stored in the neural networks of the brain/body. A great deal of this comes from our parents or other primary caregivers. This includes the thoughts, emotions and actions of those we encounter. At about the age of six, more or less, personality has formed to such an extent that everything that enters us now falls upon personality, not essence. Therefore, our essence ceases to grow, personality takes all the energy. The journey to enlightenment or awakening is first of all a journey of liberation. The journey is about reversing the process, to again live through essence instead of personality stealing all the energy. So liberation is liberation from personality, who we think ourselves to be. As energy went in-to forming personality, interior spiritual practices are about ceasing to feed personality and then taking the energy out-of personality. Practices similar to ATA-MT do exactly this. Now, this is a long and difficult process, you need to know that heads-up. Essence grows via the transformation of energy. One can transform and save energy. A certain accumulation of a certain quality and quantity of energy is what brings awakening, enlightenment, liberation. The beginning stages can be verified by oneself. ATA-MT is a beginning, noticing sounds, noticing material objects, noticing tension in the body, facial expression, postures, gestures, colors, shapes. These things have to be practiced and understood to even get to the next barrier, to even find the next barrier. sdp In truth, Reality is altogether devoid of actual distinctions, including every single one you have mentioned here. Actual distinctions would imply an actual beginning, ending and outer limit of Reality, and such 'edges' have never been, and will never be possible. There is ONLY the eternal infinity. Actually, you are That. I'm happy for you. sdp
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Post by relinquish on Apr 5, 2014 8:30:52 GMT -5
In truth, Reality is altogether devoid of actual distinctions, including every single one you have mentioned here. Actual distinctions would imply an actual beginning, ending and outer limit of Reality, and such 'edges' have never been, and will never be possible. There is ONLY the eternal infinity. Actually, you are That. I'm happy for you. sdp And I, you, sdp. And I, you. Apparently.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Apr 5, 2014 8:33:14 GMT -5
Be VERY alert, and not know. I've never understood what this "not know" means. How to "not know"? "Not know" what? What time it is, who the president of Uruguay is... what should I '"not know"? "If I am wise, it's because I know that I know nothing". Socrates (Plato's Socrates, not Dan Millman's) sdp
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Apr 5, 2014 8:41:25 GMT -5
First of all, I'm not a non-dualist, at least in the accepted sense. What you're asking for is a recipe. There is one but it's in stages. There are barriers one has to pass to get to the next stage, gates. All the barriers are actually inside one, but sometimes they look external. Everything is a test. The first stage is to recognize the teaching. If what I'm saying is accurate here, you have to at least recognize that it is a beginning. If you don't, end of story, you move on to something else. I have to give a little background. We are born as essence, our true self, who we are meant to be. Essence comes down from a higher level of reality, an invisible higher dimension. Essence grows when we are born but simultaneously personality/ego begins to form. What it means for essence to grow is that the food we eat, the air we breath and the energy that enters us through the five senses as impressions goes in-to feeding essence. What it means for personality to form is all the information that enters us is stored in the neural networks of the brain/body. A great deal of this comes from our parents or other primary caregivers. This includes the thoughts, emotions and actions of those we encounter. At about the age of six, more or less, personality has formed to such an extent that everything that enters us now falls upon personality, not essence. Therefore, our essence ceases to grow, personality takes all the energy. The journey to enlightenment or awakening is first of all a journey of liberation. The journey is about reversing the process, to again live through essence instead of personality stealing all the energy. So liberation is liberation from personality, who we think ourselves to be. As energy went in-to forming personality, interior spiritual practices are about ceasing to feed personality and then taking the energy out-of personality. Practices similar to ATA-MT do exactly this. Now, this is a long and difficult process, you need to know that heads-up. Essence grows via the transformation of energy. One can transform and save energy. A certain accumulation of a certain quality and quantity of energy is what brings awakening, enlightenment, liberation. The beginning stages can be verified by oneself. ATA-MT is a beginning, noticing sounds, noticing material objects, noticing tension in the body, facial expression, postures, gestures, colors, shapes. These things have to be practiced and understood to even get to the next barrier, to even find the next barrier. sdp A very simple question comes to my mind. Why should I prop up this "essence" if it is so weak that it loses even against "ego"? Jesus said one should build a house on rock, not on sand. Why should I invest all the energy and effort into "essence"? Today it lost to ego, maybe tomorrow it will lose to something else, so why should I support a loser? On the other hand, I know that ego already won one battle, so shouldn't I rather strenghten ego and prepare it for the next battle? I just profoundly don't understand why I should want anything have to do with this "essence". It betrayed me once already, it seems to me that before I should put any trust into it... rather it should do me a favour, and not the other way around. Essence never did anything good for me, all I know is that if it even exists then it clearly betrayed me, so why on earth should I do anything for it? It seems to me that first it should come to me and apologize and then do something good for me before I should be willing to give it any help. See, I think in very simple terms, like a child almost, but I'm dead serious. Ego is software, runs on your brain. When the brain dies, ego dies. Essence can survive the death of the body. It depends upon what you want. sdp
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Post by relinquish on Apr 5, 2014 8:43:28 GMT -5
Sounds simple, but unfortunately it doesn't work. And I've tried for a very long time. Hey Q, are you gonna respond to me or not, man? I'd very much like to read your take on the whole description vs. prescription thing I've raised.
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Apr 5, 2014 9:05:59 GMT -5
Ego is software, runs on your brain. When the brain dies, ego dies. Essence can survive the death of the body. It depends upon what you want. sdp There is zero scientific evidence for what you're saying. Why should I believe you? What you suggest is that I just put faith in your story and go on a wild goose chase.
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Apr 5, 2014 9:06:38 GMT -5
Sounds simple, but unfortunately it doesn't work. And I've tried for a very long time. Hey Q, are you gonna respond to me or not, man? I'd very much like to see your take on the whole description vs prescription thing I've raised. I didn't know you want a response. Can you link to the post plz. I have no time to search
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Apr 5, 2014 9:08:21 GMT -5
I've never understood what this "not know" means. How to "not know"? "Not know" what? What time it is, who the president of Uruguay is... what should I '"not know"? "If I am wise, it's because I know that I know nothing". Socrates (Plato's Socrates, not Dan Millman's) sdp But where is the not-knowing in this? Are you saying that I should focus on the thought that "I know nothing"? But then I still know the thought, don't I?
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Post by silver on Apr 5, 2014 9:43:05 GMT -5
Lighting up can happen anytime. Grounding in the delicate denser frequencies and richer tones of love that humanity is capable of, is essential for making the light companionable for other people. If that don't work put a t-shirt on. Or if you're a girl, halternecks work just as well.. I'm grounding myself ...literally. I have aluminum tape running from the bottom of my shoe to the inside for now. You could wear aluminum foil socks...? Hey, that's a great idea!
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Post by zendancer on Apr 5, 2014 10:42:38 GMT -5
Sounds simple, but unfortunately it doesn't work. And I've tried for a very long time. Q: If you were someone else, I would write, "What do you mean, 'It doesn't work?' When looking occurs, isn't whatever is in the field of vision seen? That's what looking IS. Can looking occur without naming, without imagining, and without mental comment? Can looking occur in silence without any reflective thoughts? The habit of imagining what is seen is just a bad habit, as is the habit of imagining a looker. Imagining that someone is going to get something by doing something is just more idiotic imagining. Why not drop all of that nonsense, relax, and just be what you ARE? As Earnest said, it is simple. Be still, and look without knowing--no ideas, no images, no symbols. Then stay in that state of alertness without expectation. The worst that can happen is to see what is in front of the eyes. That would be better than wasting more time imagining and staying lost in a trancestate. Best of luck." Because it's you, however, I would not respond in this way. Instead, I would write, "Enjoy the trancestate. It can be a lot of fun." Obviously. FWIW, every time you post on the forum it reminds me of ZM Seung Sahn's koan about the golden fish. "An old ZM used to throw out a fishing line in an effort to catch a golden fish. How can you not get caught?" No matter how his students tried to answer this question, Seung Sahn would always laugh and say, "Ah, just caught another one." Ha ha.
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Post by freejoy on Apr 5, 2014 10:47:23 GMT -5
I'm grounding myself ...literally. I have aluminum tape running from the bottom of my shoe to the inside for now. :) You could wear aluminum foil socks...? Hey, that's a great idea! :-* Aluminum foil socks won't work unless they actually touch the ground. :)
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