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Post by Reefs on Mar 27, 2014 10:25:48 GMT -5
It seems that only humans have perspective. The rest of creation can rotate freely. That would be the human perspective on perspective, yes.
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Post by Reefs on Mar 27, 2014 10:30:31 GMT -5
The way 'The Secret' explains LOA is incomplete: ----> go to 7:00
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Post by laughter on Mar 27, 2014 13:19:41 GMT -5
Not really -- the story I can tell is that by the time I started meditating there were no connections to make. What I can say is that it appears that refining the understanding of practice led to the recognition that if it wasn't effortless, then it wasn't meditation, and that had a big impact on the practice. It sometimes happens that if non-duality resonates practice is stopped as though stopping should flow from such a resonance. With others practice continues but no longer for connection. amit Makes sense. I've never actually met anyone in person who I knew for a fact had a practice related in any way to nonduality. How is it with Amit? Did you practice at some point? Do you now?
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Post by amit on Mar 27, 2014 14:00:52 GMT -5
It sometimes happens that if non-duality resonates practice is stopped as though stopping should flow from such a resonance. With others practice continues but no longer for connection. amit Makes sense. I've never actually met anyone in person who I knew for a fact had a practice related in any way to non-duality. How is it with Amit? Did you practice at some point? Do you now? Amit was one of those seekers who just did not have the discipline for a practice but envied those who did because it was believed they were getting somewhere while amit was in the spiritual wilderness with a very uncomfortable feeling of disconnection. While a seeker I probably came across the idea "All is One" but the character must not have been in a state to recognize and resonate with it. It was not until there was total disillusion with the idea of practicing to get somewhere that the resonance occurred. It was a profound moment and produced an intense focus on the concept. The complete dropping away of the feeling of disconnection did not occur however until the resonance was underpinned by the understanding that resulted from the focus. There was no effort in this focus, it was driven forcefully by the resonance. I hasten to add that, although the end of the feeling of disconnection was a profound relief, it in no way increased connection for it was already Oneness arising as feeling disconnected. So for connection this event was and remains completely irrelevant. Can you say something about your process? amit
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Post by laughter on Mar 27, 2014 15:08:36 GMT -5
Makes sense. I've never actually met anyone in person who I knew for a fact had a practice related in any way to non-duality. How is it with Amit? Did you practice at some point? Do you now? Amit was one of those seekers who just did not have the discipline for a practice but envied those who did because it was believed they were getting somewhere while amit was in the spiritual wilderness with a very uncomfortable feeling of disconnection. While a seeker I probably came across the idea "All is One" but the character must not have been in a state to recognize and resonate with it. It was not until there was total disillusion with the idea of practicing to get somewhere that the resonance occurred. It was a profound moment and produced an intense focus on the concept. The complete dropping away of the feeling of disconnection did not occur however until the resonance was underpinned by the understanding that resulted from the focus. There was no effort in this focus, it was driven forcefully by the resonance. I hasten to add that, although the end of the feeling of disconnection was a profound relief, it in no way increased connection for it was already Oneness arising as feeling disconnected. So for connection this event was and remains completely irrelevant. Thanks for sharing that Amit. I've encountered similar reports in my "forum career" (chuckles to self about self) ... I remember you using that turn of phrase -- "dropping away of the feeling of disconnection", from our conversations last year. Can you say something about your process? amit Sure, but by "process" are you referring to current practice or what I might tell as a story relative to something similar to an event you've described there where the "feeling of disconnection dropped away"?
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Post by amit on Mar 27, 2014 16:41:07 GMT -5
Amit was one of those seekers who just did not have the discipline for a practice but envied those who did because it was believed they were getting somewhere while amit was in the spiritual wilderness with a very uncomfortable feeling of disconnection. While a seeker I probably came across the idea "All is One" but the character must not have been in a state to recognize and resonate with it. It was not until there was total disillusion with the idea of practicing to get somewhere that the resonance occurred. It was a profound moment and produced an intense focus on the concept. The complete dropping away of the feeling of disconnection did not occur however until the resonance was underpinned by the understanding that resulted from the focus. There was no effort in this focus, it was driven forcefully by the resonance. I hasten to add that, although the end of the feeling of disconnection was a profound relief, it in no way increased connection for it was already Oneness arising as feeling disconnected. So for connection this event was and remains completely irrelevant. Thanks for sharing that Amit. I've encountered similar reports in my "forum career" (chuckles to self about self) ... I remember you using that turn of phrase -- "dropping away of the feeling of disconnection", from our conversations last year. Can you say something about your process? amit Sure, but by "process" are you referring to current practice or what I might tell as a story relative to something similar to an event you've described there where the "feeling of disconnection dropped away"? Id be interested to hear whatever you would like to say about it. Either or both. amit
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Post by laughter on Mar 27, 2014 16:58:47 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing that Amit. I've encountered similar reports in my "forum career" (chuckles to self about self) ... I remember you using that turn of phrase -- "dropping away of the feeling of disconnection", from our conversations last year. Sure, but by "process" are you referring to current practice or what I might tell as a story relative to something similar to an event you've described there where the "feeling of disconnection dropped away"? Id be interested to hear whatever you would like to say about it. Either or both. amit All of my seeking was done unconsciously and indirectly and the first experience I had with overt self-inquiry ended it. Later, out of curiosity as to "what the hell happened?? ", I stumbled into a sort of home-grown sitting practice (journaled here), that is continuously being informed in what I'd describe as an endless process of embodiment of what was realized. One of the major milestones of that was in recognizing that there really is no instant in what appears to us as the sequence of instants that is our experience that is not an opportunity for meditation.
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Post by amit on Mar 27, 2014 18:46:14 GMT -5
Id be interested to hear whatever you would like to say about it. Either or both. amit All of my seeking was done unconsciously and indirectly and the first experience I had with overt self-inquiry ended it. Later, out of curiosity as to "what the hell happened?? ", I stumbled into a sort of home-grown sitting practice (journaled here), that is continuously being informed in what I'd describe as an endless process of embodiment of what was realized. One of the major milestones of that was in recognizing that there really is no instant in what appears to us as the sequence of instants that is our experience that is not an opportunity for meditation. Thanks Laughter amit
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 27, 2014 19:24:42 GMT -5
The way 'The Secret' explains LOA is incomplete: ----> go to 7:00 There is no 'Secret', no 'LOA'.. those are conceptual attachments..
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Post by ichc on Mar 28, 2014 5:49:36 GMT -5
It seems that only humans have perspective. The rest of creation can rotate freely. That would be the human perspective on perspective, yes. Namaste
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2014 18:49:12 GMT -5
...what you create with your vision is so much more powerful than what you can create with your action. So it's easy to get overwhelmed once manifestations start flooding in if you try to deal with it in the old action mode. Can we swim with this a while more please? The term 'old action mode' is still twitching in my brain a little. Today's example of vision in action would be the moment when I decided that I was having 2 fried eggs with my dinner. I'll have 2 fried eggs please, was the ask. Egg gets cracked open, double yolk appears in me frying pan Quandary time.. do I still want 2 egg whites? I did choose to crack open the second egg though I knew wasn't certain. Then as it came to the ending of my meal, I was happily full halfway through the second single yolk egg and didn't finish it. The cat even turned her nose up at it, and so it went to waste in food terms. Microbes and bacterium will get to delight in their ting by the time it gets to landfill, anyway I digress.. So, is the 'old action mode' in, returning to what was thought of as a set original plan, even when it is as obvious as possible that the plan is playing out in a confidant, and perfectly ample, way and direction? Returning to an out-of-date thought, is sorta/kinda my description for 'old action mode.'
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Post by Reefs on Mar 29, 2014 22:50:15 GMT -5
...what you create with your vision is so much more powerful than what you can create with your action. So it's easy to get overwhelmed once manifestations start flooding in if you try to deal with it in the old action mode. Can we swim with this a while more please? The term 'old action mode' is still twitching in my brain a little. Today's example of vision in action would be the moment when I decided that I was having 2 fried eggs with my dinner. I'll have 2 fried eggs please, was the ask. Egg gets cracked open, double yolk appears in me frying pan Quandary time.. do I still want 2 egg whites? I did choose to crack open the second egg though I knew wasn't certain. Then as it came to the ending of my meal, I was happily full halfway through the second single yolk egg and didn't finish it. The cat even turned her nose up at it, and so it went to waste in food terms. Microbes and bacterium will get to delight in their ting by the time it gets to landfill, anyway I digress.. So, is the 'old action mode' in, returning to what was thought of as a set original plan, even when it is as obvious as possible that the plan is playing out in a confidant, and perfectly ample, way and direction?
Returning to an out-of-date thought, is sorta/kinda my description for 'old action mode.' You were second guessing yourself. Which means your vision wasn't clear. If your vision would have been clear, there would be no second-guessing and no regrets either because 1) the action would unfold in an almost 'magical' way (flow experience) and 2) it would be the perfect result (right time right place). 'Old action mode' just means that mass consciousness thinks that only action gets things done. But if you don't think things thru thoroughly before you act and just jump right into action, then there's probably a misalignment which results in miscreation which you then have to clean up with more action again (usually from a place of even more misalignement) and so on... So it's easy to get overwhelmed if you only rely on action. If you think things thru in advance, however, then there's much more energy and momentum behind your action and you will be able to use leverage, i.e. do less and accomplish more. While if you don't think things thru in advance, you have to put out a lot of brush fires along the way. The rule of thumb is to only act when wild horses couldn't keep you from doing it. And the way thinking things thru thoroughly is done is with imagery.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2014 14:31:11 GMT -5
Can we swim with this a while more please? The term 'old action mode' is still twitching in my brain a little. Today's example of vision in action would be the moment when I decided that I was having 2 fried eggs with my dinner. I'll have 2 fried eggs please, was the ask. Egg gets cracked open, double yolk appears in me frying pan Quandary time.. do I still want 2 egg whites? I did choose to crack open the second egg though I knew wasn't certain. Then as it came to the ending of my meal, I was happily full halfway through the second single yolk egg and didn't finish it. The cat even turned her nose up at it, and so it went to waste in food terms. Microbes and bacterium will get to delight in their ting by the time it gets to landfill, anyway I digress.. So, is the 'old action mode' in, returning to what was thought of as a set original plan, even when it is as obvious as possible that the plan is playing out in a confidant, and perfectly ample, way and direction?
Returning to an out-of-date thought, is sorta/kinda my description for 'old action mode.' You were second guessing yourself. Which means your vision wasn't clear. If your vision would have been clear, there would be no second-guessing and no regrets either because 1) the action would unfold in an almost 'magical' way (flow experience) and 2) it would be the perfect result (right time right place). 'Old action mode' just means that mass consciousness thinks that only action gets things done. But if you don't think things thru thoroughly before you act and just jump right into action, then there's probably a misalignment which results in miscreation which you then have to clean up with more action again (usually from a place of even more misalignement) and so on... So it's easy to get overwhelmed if you only rely on action. If you think things thru in advance, however, then there's much more energy and momentum behind your action and you will be able to use leverage, i.e. do less and accomplish more. While if you don't think things thru in advance, you have to put out a lot of brush fires along the way. The rule of thumb is to only act when wild horses couldn't keep you from doing it. And the way thinking things thru thoroughly is done is with imagery. The vision itself was clear, I wanted 2 eggs. What threw me was the double yolk, I couldn't anticipate that one movement would fulfill the request for 2 eggs. The fact that I was expecting to have to use 2 movements, encouraged the cracking of the second egg. Though experience taught me that the second movement/egg was unwanted and unnecessary. So yeah.. the lesson in here is that, it will not always be necessary to repeat a movement, if the requested result is reached in the first. (If that's called second-guessing then that's fine. I'm not clear right now what second-guessing is, though it may return to remind me I really can't work in what you are calling misalignment anymore. My head caves in and I have to go and have a lie down So yeah I see what you call 'old action mode' now. It all makes sense. And it's why the gardens and the dates of visiting them is as finely tuned as it is. It became most apparent in it's reverse so to speak. The rains that I described the other Summer showed that visiting some gardens can only be done in alignment and so any forcing a visit just burns my head. The perfect day reveals itself and doors open. Easy.
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Post by onehandclapping on Apr 3, 2014 1:31:19 GMT -5
I know nothing about vibrations. I only know that someone happy and someone sad give off vibes when they walk in a room, that feel different. I'm interested in understanding what's the point in understanding vibrations? Is there some benefit that you have found? It can simplify a lot. What do you mean? What does it simplify?
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