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Post by tzujanli on Mar 26, 2014 21:12:06 GMT -5
Can you stop spinning for moment and just pay attention? i was never under the impression that you agreed with anything other than the 'last paragraph'. the issue is that the last paragraph represents "exactly" what AH teaches., the issue is not your disagreement with the rest of the post from which the 'last paragraph' was quoted, unless you're trying to create a diversion from revealing how much fluff and woo-woo is packed into the AH hype.. I completely get the 'vibration' description, 'like attracts like' has too much other baggage associated with it from the EM model and the social/personality model.. what i sense you are trying to convey is that similar vibrations become coherent/resonant, increasing the probability for a stable and harmonious 'change'.. It is my understanding that vibration is the result of the principle of self-organization, order emerging from chaos,, and, emergent order is also random occurrences, until such random order arranges itself into what we call consciousness, it has become self-aware.. consciousness, has the unique ability to modulate vibration, to manifest its reality, and it does.. in direct proportion to the experiencer's clarity that it will.. it is the attachments/beliefs/knowings that bind the experiencer to manifesting their past in their reality of variations on that theme.. until you let it all go, you are stuck to it.. So far I only see you getting it in its general and abstract form, but not how it applies to the details of daily life experience. That's because you're attached to the AH marketing and book sales strategy.. there's no 'Secret', and it's not a 'Law'.. it begins to work when you actually apply the principles rather than blabber-blogging it on a non-duality forum.. 'The Secret Law' begins with a fundamentally flawed premise, that it's okay to take all you can get, because there's only abundance, and if others can't figure it out, too bad.. add the Nihilistic Nonduality beliefs to it and it allows the believer to pretend that the 'others' aren't real, anyhow, so.. you end up with The secret Law Nonduality believers thinking its okay to take all they can because nobody's real anyway.. I've already revealed exactly how vibrational mechanics work in daily Life experience, unfortunately you weren't paying attention.. (it wasn't in this thread)
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Post by Reefs on Mar 26, 2014 21:57:43 GMT -5
What? No. Those are only potentials. Only when you are mistaking this LOA stuff as positive thinking stuff. What is LOA about? Vibration.
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Post by Reefs on Mar 26, 2014 21:58:42 GMT -5
'If-by-whiskey'? "This is my stand. I will not retreat from it. I will not compromise." Right, hold your positionless position no matter what.
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Post by Reefs on Mar 26, 2014 22:05:31 GMT -5
Yes. Appearances can be deceiving. If happy and sad have the same vibration, what is the difference between them? Happy and sad don't 'have' the same vibration. Happy is an indicator of a pure vibration, sad is an indicator of a contradicted vibration. IOW, happy indicates that the energy flows freely toward your object of attention while sad indicates that the energy does not flow freely toward your object of attention (i.e. resistance). Or put differently again, happy and said just indicates your relationship between yourself and your desires. Happy means moving toward the fulfillment of your desire, sad means moving away from the fulfillment of your desire. Having your desire fulfilled would be contentment or peace, i.e. your default state.
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Post by Reefs on Mar 26, 2014 22:07:53 GMT -5
Yes, positive thinking, that's what most folks think this LOA stuff is about, but that's a misconception. If the vibration is the same for both polarities, what is it that differentiates the two? Perspective.
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Post by Reefs on Mar 26, 2014 22:15:13 GMT -5
So far I only see you getting it in its general and abstract form, but not how it applies to the details of daily life experience. That's because you're attached to the AH marketing and book sales strategy.. there's no 'Secret', and it's not a 'Law'.. it begins to work when you actually apply the principles rather than blabber-blogging it on a non-duality forum.. 'The Secret Law' begins with a fundamentally flawed premise, that it's okay to take all you can get, because there's only abundance, and if others can't figure it out, too bad.. add the Nihilistic Nonduality beliefs to it and it allows the believer to pretend that the 'others' aren't real, anyhow, so.. you end up with The secret Law Nonduality believers thinking its okay to take all they can because nobody's real anyway.. I've already revealed exactly how vibrational mechanics work in daily Life experience, unfortunately you weren't paying attention.. (it wasn't in this thread) Not so. LOA is always working, no matter if you understand it or not or even know about it or not. Also, A-H has nothing to do with 'The Secret'. For someone who 'gets vibration' and who is 'very familiar' with A-H you're still holding to quite a lot of false assumption. So at this point it's rather obvious that you don't actually 'get vibration' and aren't 'very familiar' with A-H either. What I see you very familiar with, however, is a deep rooted belief in lack and a pushing against those who don't share that same belief.
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Post by onehandclapping on Mar 27, 2014 1:21:12 GMT -5
So far I only see you getting it in its general and abstract form, but not how it applies to the details of daily life experience. That's because you're attached to the AH marketing and book sales strategy.. there's no 'Secret', and it's not a 'Law'.. it begins to work when you actually apply the principles rather than blabber-blogging it on a non-duality forum.. 'The Secret Law' begins with a fundamentally flawed premise, that it's okay to take all you can get, because there's only abundance, and if others can't figure it out, too bad.. add the Nihilistic Nonduality beliefs to it and it allows the believer to pretend that the 'others' aren't real, anyhow, so.. you end up with The secret Law Nonduality believers thinking its okay to take all they can because nobody's real anyway.. I've already revealed exactly how vibrational mechanics work in daily Life experience, unfortunately you weren't paying attention.. (it wasn't in this thread) Still pedaling I see..... Someday the hamster will take a break for ya.
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Post by onehandclapping on Mar 27, 2014 1:25:26 GMT -5
If happy and sad have the same vibration, what is the difference between them? Happy and sad don't 'have' the same vibration. Happy is an indicator of a pure vibration, sad is an indicator of a contradicted vibration. IOW, happy indicates that the energy flows freely toward your object of attention while sad indicates that the energy does not flow freely toward your object of attention (i.e. resistance). Or put differently again, happy and said just indicates your relationship between yourself and your desires. Happy means moving toward the fulfillment of your desire, sad means moving away from the fulfillment of your desire. Having your desire fulfilled would be contentment or peace, i.e. your default state. I know nothing about vibrations. I only know that someone happy and someone sad give off vibes when they walk in a room, that feel different. I'm interested in understanding what's the point in understanding vibrations? Is there some benefit that you have found?
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Post by Reefs on Mar 27, 2014 3:41:37 GMT -5
Happy and sad don't 'have' the same vibration. Happy is an indicator of a pure vibration, sad is an indicator of a contradicted vibration. IOW, happy indicates that the energy flows freely toward your object of attention while sad indicates that the energy does not flow freely toward your object of attention (i.e. resistance). Or put differently again, happy and said just indicates your relationship between yourself and your desires. Happy means moving toward the fulfillment of your desire, sad means moving away from the fulfillment of your desire. Having your desire fulfilled would be contentment or peace, i.e. your default state. I know nothing about vibrations. I only know that someone happy and someone sad give off vibes when they walk in a room, that feel different. I'm interested in understanding what's the point in understanding vibrations? Is there some benefit that you have found? It can simplify a lot.
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Post by amit on Mar 27, 2014 4:06:40 GMT -5
Agreed. Could you say something about how the impossibility of increasing connection has affected any practice you do? amit Not really -- the story I can tell is that by the time I started meditating there were no connections to make. What I can say is that it appears that refining the understanding of practice led to the recognition that if it wasn't effortless, then it wasn't meditation, and that had a big impact on the practice. It sometimes happens that if non-duality resonates practice is stopped as though stopping should flow from such a resonance. With others practice continues but no longer for connection. amit
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 27, 2014 5:22:34 GMT -5
That's because you're attached to the AH marketing and book sales strategy.. there's no 'Secret', and it's not a 'Law'.. it begins to work when you actually apply the principles rather than blabber-blogging it on a non-duality forum.. 'The Secret Law' begins with a fundamentally flawed premise, that it's okay to take all you can get, because there's only abundance, and if others can't figure it out, too bad.. add the Nihilistic Nonduality beliefs to it and it allows the believer to pretend that the 'others' aren't real, anyhow, so.. you end up with The secret Law Nonduality believers thinking its okay to take all they can because nobody's real anyway.. I've already revealed exactly how vibrational mechanics work in daily Life experience, unfortunately you weren't paying attention.. (it wasn't in this thread) Not so. LOA is always working, no matter if you understand it or not or even know about it or not. Also, A-H has nothing to do with 'The Secret'. For someone who 'gets vibration' and who is 'very familiar' with A-H you're still holding to quite a lot of false assumption. So at this point it's rather obvious that you don't actually 'get vibration' and aren't 'very familiar' with A-H either. What I see you very familiar with, however, is a deep rooted belief in lack and a pushing against those who don't share that same belief. LOL.. LOA/The Secret different embellishments of the same process.. you bought the version you like best, but.. there's nothing there, no actuality.. it's like religion, a fail-safe 'if you don't believe you can't understand', or it's all 'God's will'.. it's not about lack/abundance at all, it's about the process of 'happening'.. "lack/abundance" is just marketing deception/conditioning the predisposition for greed, and trying to legitimize it..
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Post by Reefs on Mar 27, 2014 6:48:22 GMT -5
Not so. LOA is always working, no matter if you understand it or not or even know about it or not. Also, A-H has nothing to do with 'The Secret'.
For someone who 'gets vibration' and who is 'very familiar' with A-H you're still holding to quite a lot of false assumption. So at this point it's rather obvious that you don't actually 'get vibration' and aren't 'very familiar' with A-H either. What I see you very familiar with, however, is a deep rooted belief in lack and a pushing against those who don't share that same belief.LOL.. LOA/The Secret different embellishments of the same process.. you bought the version you like best, but.. there's nothing there, no actuality.. it's like religion, a fail-safe 'if you don't believe you can't understand', or it's all 'God's will'.. it's not about lack/abundance at all, it's about the process of 'happening'.. "lack/abundance" is just marketing deception/conditioning the predisposition for greed, and trying to legitimize it..Read what I wrote, dude. I said that A-H has nothing to with 'The Secret', not that LOA has nothing to do with 'The Secret'. And A-H doesn't equal LOA either. And there's this impressive display of your belief in lack and pushing against those who don't share this belief system again.
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Post by ichc on Mar 27, 2014 7:04:05 GMT -5
If the vibration is the same for both polarities, what is it that differentiates the two? Perspective. It seems that only humans have perspective. The rest of creation can rotate freely.
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Post by ichc on Mar 27, 2014 7:07:55 GMT -5
Not so. LOA is always working, no matter if you understand it or not or even know about it or not. Also, A-H has nothing to do with 'The Secret'. For someone who 'gets vibration' and who is 'very familiar' with A-H you're still holding to quite a lot of false assumption. So at this point it's rather obvious that you don't actually 'get vibration' and aren't 'very familiar' with A-H either. What I see you very familiar with, however, is a deep rooted belief in lack and a pushing against those who don't share that same belief. LOL.. LOA/The Secret different embellishments of the same process.. you bought the version you like best, but.. there's nothing there, no actuality.. it's like religion, a fail-safe 'if you don't believe you can't understand', or it's all 'God's will'.. it's not about lack/abundance at all, it's about the process of 'happening'.. "lack/abundance" is just marketing deception/conditioning the predisposition for greed, and trying to legitimize it.. It is "all God's will" , though God's identity is often imagined to be something other than it is. God is "what is."
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Post by ichc on Mar 27, 2014 7:25:38 GMT -5
LOL.. LOA/The Secret different embellishments of the same process.. you bought the version you like best, but.. there's nothing there, no actuality.. it's like religion, a fail-safe 'if you don't believe you can't understand', or it's all 'God's will'.. it's not about lack/abundance at all, it's about the process of 'happening'.. "lack/abundance" is just marketing deception/conditioning the predisposition for greed, and trying to legitimize it..Read what I wrote, dude. I said that A-H has nothing to with 'The Secret', not that LOA has nothing to do with 'The Secret'. And A-H doesn't equal LOA either. And there's this impressive display of your belief in lack and pushing against those who don't share this belief system again. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_HicksQuotes: www.amazon.com/Introducing-Abraham-The-Secret-Behind/dp/B000O76WTW
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