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Post by silver on Nov 10, 2013 2:27:21 GMT -5
In what way and to whom?
There are a few things that seem intolerable, but tolerate we must - what is the alternative?
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Post by Reefs on Nov 10, 2013 2:37:00 GMT -5
You have to take a step further back. Greed is just the issue on the surface. If you don't believe in shortage, only a limited amount of resources to go around, then there's no place for a concept like 'greed', someone getting more than their fair share. In a world with unlimited resources, your share is as big as you can imagine it. And your share won't deprive anyone else from their share either because there is no end to resources.
So if you still think in a 'fair share' concept, if Osho would give you his entire Rolls Royce collection, that would make you feel very uncomfortable because - according to your current belief system - you clearly have more than your 'fair share'. So you would probably - consciously or unconsciously - try to get rid of it as soon as possible in order to feel comfortable again. And then you are back to square one.
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Post by acewall on Nov 10, 2013 5:20:25 GMT -5
Is greed perfectly unacceptable? when the British arrived in Fremantle, Perth, they brought greed along with them from England. Suppose it went to America too? I see greed as a mental-illness.For Greed to flourish in WA, the Crown had to kill-off the Natives who were living here(50,000-80,000years) and shipped heaps across to Rottnest where the Colonies-religious eyes couldn't see what was going-on. (Out of sight out of Mind) The Crown murdered heaps, but many-more of the aborigines died from the diseases the English brought with them. (wont go into that) Greed is cultured by Self-ignorance. “No government likes the clever and the honourable men, because it is impossible to bridle them; they are independent!” Greed seems more to do with Males than Females for some reason...perhaps due to their nuturing nature. Men(cavemen incarnated)still claim more toys than their share within todays Playcentre-sandpits. More Power to Women, they have a big job ahead of them. |
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Post by enigma on Nov 10, 2013 18:52:17 GMT -5
Is greed perfectly unacceptable? when the British arrived in Fremantle, Perth, they brought greed along with them from England. Suppose it went to America too? I see greed as a mental-illness.For Greed to flourish in WA, the Crown had to kill-off the Natives who were living here(50,000-80,000years) and shipped heaps across to Rottnest where the Colonies-religious eyes couldn't see what was going-on. (Out of sight out of Mind) The Crown murdered heaps, but many-more of the aborigines died from the diseases the English brought with them. (wont go into that) Greed is cultured by Self-ignorance. “No government likes the clever and the honourable men, because it is impossible to bridle them; they are independent!” Greed seems more to do with Males than Females for some reason...perhaps due to their nuturing nature. Men(cavemen incarnated)still claim more toys than their share within todays Playcentre-sandpits. More Power to Women, they have a big job ahead of them. Same scenario played out in North America, including wiping out the native 'savage' population through war and disease, plus the introduction of slavery. Seems the British didn't think very highly of the non-British. |
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Post by laughter on Nov 10, 2013 22:39:34 GMT -5
when the British arrived in Fremantle, Perth, they brought greed along with them from England. Suppose it went to America too? I see greed as a mental-illness.For Greed to flourish in WA, the Crown had to kill-off the Natives who were living here(50,000-80,000years) and shipped heaps across to Rottnest where the Colonies-religious eyes couldn't see what was going-on. (Out of sight out of Mind) The Crown murdered heaps, but many-more of the aborigines died from the diseases the English brought with them. (wont go into that) Greed is cultured by Self-ignorance. “No government likes the clever and the honourable men, because it is impossible to bridle them; they are independent!” Greed seems more to do with Males than Females for some reason...perhaps due to their nuturing nature. Men(cavemen incarnated)still claim more toys than their share within todays Playcentre-sandpits. More Power to Women, they have a big job ahead of them. Same scenario played out in North America, including wiping out the native 'savage' population through war and disease, plus the introduction of slavery. Seems the British didn't think very highly of the non-British. Ever read a history of the British Isles? |
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Post by Reefs on Nov 11, 2013 4:42:36 GMT -5
You have to take a step further back. Greed is just the issue on the surface. If you don't believe in shortage, only a limited amount of resources to go around, then there's no place for a concept like 'greed', someone getting more than their fair share. In a world with unlimited resources, your share is as big as you can imagine it. And your share won't deprive anyone else from their share either because there is no end to resources. So if you still think in a 'fair share' concept, if Osho would give you his entire Rolls Royce collection, that would make you feel very uncomfortable because - according to your current belief system - you clearly have more than your 'fair share'. So you would probably - consciously or unconsciously - try to get rid of it as soon as possible in order to feel comfortable again. And then you are back to square one. This you wrote does not hold up. It's works to aplease the rich greedy mans conscious. Bout all. No concept of 'greed'? What about murder, or rape, or killing children? What about robbery? What about violating the rules of the forum? If you have more than you need and you have unlimited resources ...it looks like you could give i.e. share (I know share isn't in your vocab) more. Why do you want them to be less rich or less greedy? They could give, but you can't hold it. |
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Post by enigma on Nov 11, 2013 11:36:39 GMT -5
Same scenario played out in North America, including wiping out the native 'savage' population through war and disease, plus the introduction of slavery. Seems the British didn't think very highly of the non-British. Ever read a history of the British Isles? Nope. |
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Post by silver on Nov 11, 2013 11:42:01 GMT -5
Ever read a history of the British Isles? Nope. Me neither, Laughter. How 'bout providing us with the highlights in brief? |
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Post by laughter on Nov 11, 2013 17:59:50 GMT -5
Ever read a history of the British Isles? Nope.  Me neither, Laughter. How 'bout providing us with the highlights in brief? Ain't nothin' to share but a bit of minding ... it has even less meaning outside of the context of the specific interest that I thought I saw E' express there so I'll spare everyone that particular bit of bloviation. |
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Nov 12, 2013 8:30:16 GMT -5
Oh so you're still in spiritual first grade?  I don't go to spiritual school. |
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Post by Reefs on Nov 13, 2013 9:53:58 GMT -5
Why do you want them to be less rich or less greedy? They could give, but you can't hold it. Becoming less greedy will create more peace and happiness in the world for everyone. Less guilt will create less suffering and illnesses and physical immortality. How will you reduce greed? |
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Post by earnest on Nov 14, 2013 5:59:30 GMT -5
How will you reduce greed? I can't reduce greed. How liberating! |
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Post by earnest on Nov 14, 2013 14:52:15 GMT -5
I meant for you my friend |
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Post by Reefs on Nov 15, 2013 9:05:44 GMT -5
How will you reduce greed? I can't reduce greed. If you can't do anything about it then it shouldn't be your concern either. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 19:55:53 GMT -5
If you can't do anything about it then it shouldn't be your concern either. I can't but God can. So Pray....and have Faith. Faith does not vie, debate, or contend. :-) |
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