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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2013 15:22:52 GMT -5
Sounds like deep sleep to me. Anything I could say about it would just be conjecture. Have you ever just sat, and let yourself be totally still, inside and out? Without losing alertness like one does in deep sleep? That would describe the intention in my daily effortless meditation sits. But I can't say honestly that 'total' stillness is anything I would use to describe any experience I can remember.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2013 15:24:13 GMT -5
So can there be two kinds of Being/Knowing or I AM then? Not if you're going by that one definition.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2013 18:35:16 GMT -5
Have you ever just sat, and let yourself be totally still, inside and out? Without losing alertness like one does in deep sleep? That would describe the intention in my daily effortless meditation sits. But I can't say honestly that 'total' stillness is anything I would use to describe any experience I can remember. Hey Max....a little breath alteration may help with that: pay attention to your natural breath range, what I mean by that, is in your natural breathing while at rest, there are two breath horizons. when the breath turns from out to in, and in to out, there is a high and low horizon. when sitting, breath in just a little more than you normally do, and when you breath out, when you get to the 'natural breathing' out horizon keep going and breath out a little more than usual...if in 'natural breathing you breath out 50% of the breath, then breath out 75%. But where the 'magic happens' is after you get below normal breathing out breath horizon. Once you get below the normal breathing out horizon, draw in the belly button for the next bit of breath that you exhale, and when you get the the place where its time to turn to breathing in, hold there for moment with belly slightly drawn in and breath completely stopped. In that brief stop, there will be complete stillness if only for a moment, but if you do it every breath while sitting, that moment expands and expands. Alternately, when the breath gets below the natural lower horizon, you can draw the lower belly in and exhale that last bit in short GENTLE bursts. Either way, avoid breathing with the chest, and breath with your lower abdomen instead.
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Post by Reefs on Oct 28, 2013 20:22:27 GMT -5
1. What is your essential nature? 2. What is the source of nature's coherence and harmonious diversity? 3. What is your origin? 4. What is the origin of the Universe? 5. What is the nature of the originator of form and this sensate environment? All these questions are ... misconceived.
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Post by Reefs on Oct 28, 2013 20:23:40 GMT -5
1. What is your essential nature? 2. What is the source of nature's coherence and harmonious diversity? 3. What is your origin? 4. What is the origin of the Universe? 5. What is the nature of the originator of form and this sensate environment? They all have the same answer... Pure Being/Knowing Not the same answer but the same fate.
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Post by zendancer on Oct 28, 2013 21:37:26 GMT -5
1. What is your essential nature? 2. What is the source of nature's coherence and harmonious diversity? 3. What is your origin? 4. What is the origin of the Universe? 5. What is the nature of the originator of form and this sensate environment? These are all variations of different formal koans, but formal koans are not usually discussed in public. Answers to koans are NOT explanatory, so thinking is useless for answering them. The body has to respond directly without getting hooked into ideation or reflection. Questions like these can be used by people to test their attachment to thought, but without feedback from someone who has seen through the questions, they will most likely do nothing more than cause a lot of thinking. Most everyday questions require thought-based answers, but not these. Something entirely different is required, and the answers lie at a far deeper level of mind than the intellect. For people interested in this sort of thing I'd recommend concentrating only on question 1 or 3. They are the easiest ones to see through, and the easiest ones to answer. The others contain too many mindhooks for people unfamiliar with complex koans. The most common existential questions that drive people to seek the truth are: 1. What is the meaning of life? 2. Who am I? 3. Where did I come from and where am I going? 4. Is there a God? As Reefs and others have pointed out, all such questions are based upon fundamental misconceptions generated by thinking about the world dualistically, but if they are relentlessly pursued (contemplated), they can all be resolved. One Zen Master, however, used to warn students not to even start working on the "Who am I?" koan unless they were willing to spend ten years on it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2013 22:20:49 GMT -5
They all have the same answer... Pure Being/Knowing Not the same answer but the same fate. Would there be a fate without Being/Knowing?!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2013 2:10:26 GMT -5
Being needs no awareness. I is created in the awareness of being.
I often wonder when people talk about being in full awareness, what is it they mean? Full is a comparative awareness that cannot exist without awareness of partial.
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Post by zendancer on Oct 29, 2013 6:32:43 GMT -5
Being needs no awareness. I is created in the awareness of being. I often wonder when people talk about being in full awareness, what is it they mean? Full is a comparative awareness that cannot exist without awareness of partial. TMT.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2013 8:15:52 GMT -5
Apologies for my ignorance of forum speak - what is TMT please?
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Post by zendancer on Oct 29, 2013 8:27:53 GMT -5
Apologies for my ignorance of forum speak - what is TMT please? Too much thinking. If we become silent/still and just look at the world without reflection, the mind/intellect ceases to churn, and clarity ensues. It's like a glass of muddy water; if it is constantly stirred up, it remains murky and clouded. If we stop stirring it, the water becomes clear (imagination cease to obscure the obvious).
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Post by laughter on Oct 29, 2013 10:45:56 GMT -5
Apologies for my ignorance of forum speak - what is TMT please? Too much thinking. If we become silent/still and just look at the world without reflection, the mind/intellect ceases to churn, and clarity ensues. It's like a glass of muddy water; if it is constantly stirred up, it remains murky and clouded. If we stop stirring it, the water becomes clear (imagination cease to obscure the obvious). Is there anything wrong with TMT? Should someone who catches themselves at it feel somehow lesser because of it?
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Post by enigma on Oct 29, 2013 11:18:57 GMT -5
Being needs no awareness. I is created in the awareness of being. I often wonder when people talk about being in full awareness, what is it they mean? Full is a comparative awareness that cannot exist without awareness of partial. TMT. Yeah, that was my first thought. My second thought was that we often put together obscure terms in various combinations to form even more obscurity, then try to make sense out it as though there's sense to be found. My third thought was that I'm over thinking it. Hehe.
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Post by enigma on Oct 29, 2013 11:27:38 GMT -5
Too much thinking. If we become silent/still and just look at the world without reflection, the mind/intellect ceases to churn, and clarity ensues. It's like a glass of muddy water; if it is constantly stirred up, it remains murky and clouded. If we stop stirring it, the water becomes clear (imagination cease to obscure the obvious). Is there anything wrong with TMT? Should someone who catches themselves at it feel somehow lesser because of it? Of course not.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2013 11:56:19 GMT -5
Too much thinking. If we become silent/still and just look at the world without reflection, the mind/intellect ceases to churn, and clarity ensues. It's like a glass of muddy water; if it is constantly stirred up, it remains murky and clouded. If we stop stirring it, the water becomes clear (imagination cease to obscure the obvious). Is there anything wrong with TMT? Should someone who catches themselves at it feel somehow lesser because of it? TMT
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