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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2013 21:44:51 GMT -5
Oh I dunno about that, ZD seemed to turn out okay ;-) Maybe its just that formerly depressed folks make a bigger deal out of their reversal of fortune... I've met an awful lot of of VERY upbeat christians in the heartland that are easy to dismiss as "greater than thou" holy rollers, but upon closer inspection, are really filled with a sense of boundless love, Grace of God, and a real connection to God and all of God's creation. Ya find the same thing at the Friday Juma Prayer services at the local mosque etc. You don't really know anything about those people, either their current state or their history with suffering. Surrender comes out of struggle, not a positive attitude. (It's a general statement. Please don't tell me about cousin Joe who chose to be happy and became enlightened.) Okay dokie...but it may be possible that you're over invested in this whole suffering thang....just sayin... Its possible :-)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2013 21:45:55 GMT -5
Poets rapping with each other.... I was thinking about them the other day...both poets, but at different stages of the poetic essence. Laughter sees the world through the eyes of a poet...Acewall IS poetry incarnate. his mind only works in poetry :-) both are very beautiful to experience :-)) Poets should never talk to each other. Is that because too much joy might ensue lol
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2013 21:48:52 GMT -5
Oh I dunno about that, ZD seemed to turn out okay ;-) Maybe its just that formerly depressed folks make a bigger deal out of their reversal of fortune... I've met an awful lot of of VERY upbeat christians in the heartland that are easy to dismiss as "greater than thou" holy rollers, but upon closer inspection, are really filled with a sense of boundless love, Grace of God, and a real connection to God and all of God's creation. Ya find the same thing at the Friday Juma Prayer services at the local mosque etc. You don't really know anything about those people, either their current state or their history with suffering. Surrender comes out of struggle, not a positive attitude. (It's a general statement. Please don't tell me about cousin Joe who chose to be happy and became enlightened.) Actually, I said "upon further inspection" purposefully....I was there interviewing them in an in depth manner for a 2 to 3 day period each, 4 to 6 hours per day...over about a ten year period.
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Post by acewall on Oct 23, 2013 22:35:26 GMT -5
then the Camel attendant is riddled with flea-like concepts in his mind which he still needs to read the map across the Sahara. How does the "then" fit in what you wrote? Then is NOW! If you say Not IF I did say.the camel and the attendant are one but not one with the sun, the sand and the mirage you mean one thing. Did you mean something else? You have that something else? I said what I texted.
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Post by laughter on Oct 24, 2013 3:15:16 GMT -5
How does the "then" fit in what you wrote? Then is NOW! If you say Not IF I did say.the camel and the attendant are one but not one with the sun, the sand and the mirage you mean one thing. Did you mean something else? You have that something else? I said what I texted. Well, everything else is missing from the costume with the head of a waiter and the tail of a camel. ... but no! of course I don't have it!
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Post by laughter on Oct 24, 2013 3:22:14 GMT -5
It is merely survival instincts, hard wired or what-ever - instincts don't have to explain themselves -- they work. That's enough. You think too much, froggie. Eggzactly lol In the context of the natural state, it's the idea of instinct that's the TMT.
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Post by acewall on Oct 24, 2013 3:40:08 GMT -5
You have that something else? I said what I texted. Well, everything else is missing from the costume with the head of a waiter and the tail of a camel. ... but no! of course I don't have it! does another have it?
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Post by laughter on Oct 24, 2013 3:41:29 GMT -5
Well, everything else is missing from the costume with the head of a waiter and the tail of a camel. ... but no! of course I don't have it! does another have it? Self-possession is just another flea.
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Post by acewall on Oct 24, 2013 4:15:24 GMT -5
Self-possession is just another flea. no-self saves the day again?
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Post by acewall on Oct 24, 2013 4:20:38 GMT -5
the wonderful thing about a self (with it deplorable bits an pieces) is that it can be worked-on by a sense of selfness and become a little less incomplete not to mention the p-word, where as No-self isn't here or there at all to work on its self and make it more Selfless.
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Post by silence on Oct 24, 2013 9:27:45 GMT -5
You don't really know anything about those people, either their current state or their history with suffering. Surrender comes out of struggle, not a positive attitude. (It's a general statement. Please don't tell me about cousin Joe who chose to be happy and became enlightened.) Actually, I said "upon further inspection" purposefully....I was there interviewing them in an in depth manner for a 2 to 3 day period each, 4 to 6 hours per day...over about a ten year period. Was this just your hobby?
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Post by laughter on Oct 24, 2013 10:47:38 GMT -5
Self-possession is just another flea. no-self saves the day again? The it is the self, as that's the only it capable of encompassing the attendant, the camel, the sand, the sun, the mirage ...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2013 14:39:36 GMT -5
Actually, I said "upon further inspection" purposefully....I was there interviewing them in an in depth manner for a 2 to 3 day period each, 4 to 6 hours per day...over about a ten year period. Was this just your hobby? No I was an analyst for for a long time....the beginning of every engangement was what I called the survey, wherein we spent half of the first 2-3 days focussed solely on the client, so that the client and I could have a better understang of what made them tick, and what they really really want out of life. It was kinda like a 2-3 day deposition, conducted in the style of a deposition, but the subject of the deposition was the client. I dud around 1000 of these deposition style inerviews over a ten year period...2 a week.
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Post by silence on Oct 24, 2013 16:42:36 GMT -5
Was this just your hobby? No I was an analyst for for a long time....the beginning of every engangement was what I called the survey, wherein we spent half of the first 2-3 days focussed solely on the client, so that the client and I could have a better understang of what made them tick, and what they really really want out of life. It was kinda like a 2-3 day deposition, conducted in the style of a deposition, but the subject of the deposition was the client. I dud around 1000 of these deposition style inerviews over a ten year period...2 a week. Were you a life coach or something?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2013 17:13:30 GMT -5
No I was an analyst for for a long time....the beginning of every engangement was what I called the survey, wherein we spent half of the first 2-3 days focussed solely on the client, so that the client and I could have a better understang of what made them tick, and what they really really want out of life. It was kinda like a 2-3 day deposition, conducted in the style of a deposition, but the subject of the deposition was the client. I dud around 1000 of these deposition style inerviews over a ten year period...2 a week. Were you a life coach or something? Its really hard to describe my job...it was a on ongoing joke in our trade about when people asked us "what we do ". Certainly there where aspects of life coaching. My job title was Senior Business Analyst, but the ongoing joke was that our job title should be Business Psychoanalyst lol If you have ever seen the HBO series "House of Lies"....my job was Marty Khan's job. Only I wasn't a ruthless lier like that guy ;-) And all my clients were small and mid-sized clients with annual sales between 5 and 150 million...though I did have a few large public companies. In a small to mid-sized privately owned company, the owner/operator is the king of their own kingdom, and the business is just an extension of their personality and desires, so the top analysts always went to the heart of the matter, and learned how to "peel back the layers" of the business owner before they even started peeling back the layers of the business. For the client, the process ended up being a very deep process of self review. Most of my clients described our first few days together as "life changing". Fundamentally it was a process of the client seeing exactly who they are and what they want, and how those things effect their little kingdom positively and negatively. No stone was left unturned...we talked about everything from sales strategy, to spiritual outlook, to their sex life with their spouse. If the first few days go well, the interview is a kind of awakening for the client, in that they are becoming conscious of aspects of themselves that caused them to do both good and bad things in how they set up their business in a kind of sleep, or autopilot. A good analysis "wakes the client up" from habitual doing, to conscious doing in their biz. A good job title might be: "An agent of change and awakening" Though that still doesn't quiet capture it. If you were to somehow meld Marty Khan with the Existential Detectives" in "I heart Huckabees" you would have a fair idea of what I did ;-)
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