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Post by enigma on Oct 21, 2013 11:30:01 GMT -5
No. One is also aware of the head. This is the one little failure of Douglas Harding's On Having No Head (but maybe not an insignificant little failure). sdp :-) Yes, eliminating the head is useful in as much as it can clear away the distractions of an over active mind in order to see naked reality, but in the kind of meta awareness mentioned here, the movement of the mind, the body, and the environment are seen as an integrated whole with clarity. Beyond this "meta awareness", there is a further integration of the still silent observer with the observed mind/body/environment panorama. I may very well have misunderstood SDP, and Douglass Harding and you too for that matter, (hehe) but in what I see as 'meta awareness', one is aware of the head also and is not actually 'aware' through the eyes. That's what makes it 'meta'. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2013 12:59:19 GMT -5
:-) Yes, eliminating the head is useful in as much as it can clear away the distractions of an over active mind in order to see naked reality, but in the kind of meta awareness mentioned here, the movement of the mind, the body, and the environment are seen as an integrated whole with clarity. Beyond this "meta awareness", there is a further integration of the still silent observer with the observed mind/body/environment panorama. I may very well have misunderstood SDP, and Douglass Harding and you too for that matter, (hehe) but in what I see as 'meta awareness', one is aware of the head also and is not actually 'aware' through the eyes. That's what makes it 'meta'. No, one is not aware "through" the eyes. |
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Post by silver on Oct 21, 2013 13:32:18 GMT -5
Hello freejoy. Many people I correspond with or read about at other forums, etc. talk about using their own mindfulness to energetically help to heal themselves and others. One person I write to claims that when he simply focuses attention on the painful area(s) of his body, it starts to work -- I've tried that myself, and I must say I've been surprised at discovering that it works. It's also about being kind to one's self -- I think that this focusing on helping to heal will also serve to distract from chaotic thoughts. I wouldn't worry about becoming enlightened for now. Teach yourself self-love. How? How to teach yourself self-love? Have you ever had the thought and/or feeling that there's affection you have for yourself cross your mind? If you have, try and recall those moments - for starters. It doesn't matter how old you were when you felt them. Think of moments in your life where you felt reasonably good or on an even keel or just simply confident about yourself. Doesn't matter how brief those interludes may have been experienced as. It doesn't even matter if there was a reason for you feeling like that. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2013 14:41:54 GMT -5
How to teach yourself self-love? Have you ever had the thought and/or feeling that there's affection you have for yourself cross your mind? If you have, try and recall those moments - for starters. It doesn't matter how old you were when you felt them. Think of moments in your life where you felt reasonably good or on an even keel or just simply confident about yourself. Doesn't matter how brief those interludes may have been experienced as. It doesn't even matter if there was a reason for you feeling like that. :-) |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2013 15:02:27 GMT -5
How to teach yourself self-love? Well I guess, I'm just exploring the posiblity although I think it is a little silly. Have you ever had the thought and/or feeling that there's affection you have for yourself cross your mind? I don't know. I've had lots of people tell me they loved me. I don't think they really did thou. I felt like Steven loved me once when he was trying to get me enlightened, it made me sad because I didn't get enlightened and made him a failure. But mostly I feel hated. If you have, try and recall those moments - for starters. It doesn't matter how old you were when you felt them. Think of moments in your life where you felt reasonably good or on an even keel or just simply confident about yourself. Confidence isn't love. confidence comes from knowing you can do something. Doesn't matter how brief those interludes may have been experienced as. It doesn't even matter if there was a reason for you feeling like that. A couple things Joe. Confidence is an aspect, or at least a symptom of self love. Also, I told you from the beginning that I was not going to "get you enlightened"....I can teach you ways to put the fruit in the sun So it may ripen though, but you have to do it, I cannot do it for you....no one can. Regarding love...I haven't left you, no matter how absurd and even volatile that you have been from time to time :-) I have been tough on you though, when you have swung toward violent or self harming tendencies...to the latter....I can't give you a hug, or a smack, or a good stare to bring you back from a kind of mania that presents itself in you over the internet, so I have to get your attention in other ways when you start spinning and spinning ;-) |
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Post by silver on Oct 21, 2013 15:02:30 GMT -5
How to teach yourself self-love? Well I guess, I'm just exploring the posiblity although I think it is a little silly. Have you ever had the thought and/or feeling that there's affection you have for yourself cross your mind? I don't know. I've had lots of people tell me they loved me. I don't think they really did thou. I felt like Steven loved me once when he was trying to get me enlightened, it made me sad because I didn't get enlightened and made him a failure. But mostly I feel hated. If you have, try and recall those moments - for starters. It doesn't matter how old you were when you felt them. Think of moments in your life where you felt reasonably good or on an even keel or just simply confident about yourself. Confidence isn't love. confidence comes from knowing you can do something. Doesn't matter how brief those interludes may have been experienced as. It doesn't even matter if there was a reason for you feeling like that. I didn't just mention confidence and I know you know that. It seems that your purpose in being here is to pout -- and when people try to show their concern and that they care about you, you just throw it back in their face. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2013 15:18:14 GMT -5
I didn't just mention confidence and I know you know that. It seems that your purpose in being here is to pout -- and when people try to show their concern and that they care about you, you just throw it back in their face. Yup but not just pout...sometimes he blames blaming and pouting seems to be how Joe spends his time here. Joe, you said once that most homeless people are like 10 year olds....this seems to be accurate about you at least. You might serve yourself better by either digressing in age to the innocence and not knowing of an infant, or growing up into manhood and handling your business in life. This 10 year thing does not seem to be working out for you :-) |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2013 15:24:03 GMT -5
Joe....you are a son of God....you ARE God....you can accomplish literally anything if you get out of your own way and stop the self defeating ;-)
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Post by silver on Oct 21, 2013 15:26:43 GMT -5
I didn't just mention confidence and I know you know that. It seems that your purpose in being here is to pout -- and when people try to show their concern and that they care about you, you just throw it back in their face.
I don't understand why you felt I "threw it back in your face" How did you come to that concusion? IOW, you don't even try to meet people who are giving you 'reasonable' suggestions to help half way. You don't even pretend to know what common words mean, that sure smacks of pouting to me. Just because we are all strangers here doesn't mean we don't care about one another -- you are denying that normal human behavior. I say the majority of people care about one another -- or I can safely also say that I know a lot of people who care about the next person. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2013 15:30:38 GMT -5
Yup but not just pout...sometimes he blames blaming and pouting seems to be how Joe spends his time here. Joe, you said once that most homeless people are like 10 year olds....this seems to be accurate about you at least. You might serve yourself better by either digressing in age to the innocence and not knowing of an infant, or growing up into manhood and handling your business in life. This 10 year thing dies not seem to be working out for you :-) Where do you get I was pouting? Most of the DEATH thread is pouting. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2013 15:43:05 GMT -5
Joe....you are a son of God....you ARE God....you can accomplish literally anything if you get out of your own way and stop the self defeating ;-) I don't know. "if you get out of your own way"
I don't know what that means. Your suppose to get enlightened before you can accomplish anything or anything you do is tanted. Seek first the kindom, you know all that. You get in your own way by saying you cannot improve your living conditions until you have achieved your own imagined version of enlightenment, bit then you get in your own way of achieving this imagined enlightenment by continuing to tell yourself that your chance at enlightenment was robbed from you by enlightened people. You create a perfect justification for doing nothing but pouting and blaming most of the time, and waiting around for other people to do everything for you. Your homelessness is a an asset to following this spiritual path, in that you have no responsibilities, and can sit and meditate and contemplate all day everyday and then go to the soup kitchen and get a meal. And by your own admission, for $1500 you can start a biz and make millions....but you find every excuse in the world to NOT go to work everyday for 3 months and save $1500. And you absorb yourself in extremely narcissistic thoughts about not working because you aren't pretty enough. Its goofy Joe....no one is in your way except YOU. |
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Oct 21, 2013 15:53:12 GMT -5
And by your own admission, for $1500 you can start a biz and make millions....but you find every excuse in the world to NOT go to work everyday for 3 months and save $1500. Haha, he really said that? Freejoy, let's me suggest you a deal. Tell me about your idea and if I think it's worth it I'll invest my own money and operate the business myself. Once I make the million you'll get half of it. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2013 16:57:40 GMT -5
You get in your own way by saying you cannot improve your living conditions until you have achieved your own imagined version of enlightenment, bit then you get in your own way of achieving this imagined enlightenment by continuing to tell yourself that your chance at enlightenment was robbed from you by enlightened people. You create a perfect justification for doing nothing but pouting and blaming most of the time, and waiting around for other people to do everything for you. Your homelessness is a an asset to following this spiritual path, in that you have no responsibilities, and can sit and meditate and contemplate all day everyday and then go to the soup kitchen and get a meal. And by your own admission, for $1500 you can start a biz and make millions....but you find every excuse in the world to NOT go to work everyday for 3 months and save $1500. And you absorb yourself in extremely narcissistic thoughts about not working because you aren't pretty enough. Its goofy Joe....no one is in your way except YOU. I'm retired Steve. Early retirement. And thats... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2013 16:58:25 GMT -5
You get in your own way by saying you cannot improve your living conditions until you have achieved your own imagined version of enlightenment, bit then you get in your own way of achieving this imagined enlightenment by continuing to tell yourself that your chance at enlightenment was robbed from you by enlightened people. You create a perfect justification for doing nothing but pouting and blaming most of the time, and waiting around for other people to do everything for you. Your homelessness is a an asset to following this spiritual path, in that you have no responsibilities, and can sit and meditate and contemplate all day everyday and then go to the soup kitchen and get a meal. And by your own admission, for $1500 you can start a biz and make millions....but you find every excuse in the world to NOT go to work everyday for 3 months and save $1500. And you absorb yourself in extremely narcissistic thoughts about not working because you aren't pretty enough.Its goofy Joe....no one is in your way except YOU. Pretty is a little on the feminine side. Beautiful maybe, drop dead hansome! I'm sure it's just an injection away.  How you get in your own way... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2013 17:08:04 GMT -5
Joe let me see if I understand your situation accurately.
You don't want to try and get an education or a career because you wan't to "get enlightened" first.
But you cannot ever get enlightened because enlightened folks robbed you of that chance at the precise moment of your existence where you could have gotten enlightened.
And you can't set the whole enlightenment thing aside and go after worldly success or basic housing security because:
A: You need better haircare products, better skincare products, and cosmetic surgery to look better.
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B: Because greedy enlightened people have created a paradigm where all the financial cards are stacked against you.
Does that about sum it up?
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