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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2013 20:09:36 GMT -5
:-) Yes, eliminating the head is useful in as much as it can clear away the distractions of an over active mind in order to see naked reality, but in the kind of meta awareness mentioned here, the movement of the mind, the body, and the environment are seen as an integrated whole with clarity. Beyond this "meta awareness", there is a further integration of the still silent observer with the observed mind/body/environment panorama. If what one see's is a perception or rather a projection of one's inner state, wouldn't they be observing "naked illusion" rather than "naked reality"? In a manner of speaking, yes. Looked another way though, it is neither illusion nor reality, it just is. Harding's headless technique is a way of looking at "what is" in a narrowed field of view that eliminates so called mental overlays and leaves only "naked" sensory perception that is being observed by the perceiver. Meta Awareness does not eliminate anything that happens from the field of perception...thoughts, mind movements and happenings, the body, the environmental sensory field, ALL are included as a single field of the perceived with nothing that is happening filtered out or segregated in the field of perception. Meta Awareness is a shift of perspective that takes in the whole of the perceived as one. For me, defining that field as illusion or reality is a mind thing...instead of adopting a position either way, I just observe it as is without defining or categorizing. It just is. When you have spent a lifetime developing a sense of reality, it can be useful to focus on the illusory nature of existence. But so too, there is a value in setting BOTH illusion and reality aside and seeing what is left.
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Post by acewall on Oct 20, 2013 20:19:58 GMT -5
In my body. I can stop thinking but I still feel with my body. If i stop thinking while in a negative state my body still feels negative. There is more than one kind of knowing, there is also "body knowing"....let go of that knowing too. Alternately, step back into meta awareness, and take the action that it is clear to take to relieve the body's suffering. is Meta awareness something that has been revealed by techno devices like brain wave recorders as such?
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Post by acewall on Oct 20, 2013 20:29:44 GMT -5
There is a simple thing with a big woo woo sounding name called Meta-Awareness, that one should remember. Meta-Awareness is simply shifting your perspective to be aware of everything AND yourself in your environment. Its a way of stepping back and being the observer of your body/mind as an integrated part of your environment. Its similar to the ATA that most know well here, only, instead of simply experiencing and being aware of the things that occur in your sensory field, be aware of yourself moving and interacting and sensing AND the sensory field. With ATA one looks with a quiescent mind at one's surroundings, and is very aware of their surroundings, but not aware of there bodymind. In self inquiry, or a turning in of one's attention onto the body or mind or both, one is aware of the bodymind and its action from an observer position, but not really aware of their environment. In a shift into meta awareness, one takes up the observer position, but everything is being observed in an integrated whole...bodymind and environment are observed together as one. A good example is being in a movie theater....if you are absorbed into the movie you are not meta aware, if you are focused on your body mind while in the movie theater you are not meta aware....but if you "take a step back" into the observer position and be the observer of your mind and body and the movie and the theater...you are being meta aware. this kind of meta awareness is useful in everything from relationships, to professional productivity, to gnosis of self. Its especially useful if you have habitual negative emotions or behaviors that you engage in, and if you are ever unsure how to respond in a given situation....regarding the latter...stepping back into meta awareness is like climbing to the top of the hill to see the full lay of the land to see the best path. Stepping back into Meta Awareness while the mind is moving, and then observing the mind/body/environment as a continuous whole, is a very useful shift in perspective on many levels....but if you step back into Meta Awareness and then let the mind be utterly still, while in the perspective of meta awareness, you can have a moment of relative samadhi, or God Union. like this thread. At the point of attack, when an individual is functioning within awareness, it has appeared to me that the kundalini has total freedom of expression when it comes to self-defence. Have you been set-upon whilst in this Meta-realm(yet?)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2013 20:30:59 GMT -5
There is more than one kind of knowing, there is also "body knowing"....let go of that knowing too. Alternately, step back into meta awareness, and take the action that it is clear to take to relieve the body's suffering. is Meta awareness something that has been revealed by techno devices like brain wave recorders as such? Haha....not that I know of my friend.
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Post by acewall on Oct 20, 2013 20:32:56 GMT -5
is Meta awareness something that has been revealed by techno devices like brain wave recorders as such? Haha....not that I know of my friend. morning bro... I read somewhere that the Dali Lama's crew was working with scientists, as they became captivated by Him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2013 20:39:37 GMT -5
Haha....not that I know of my friend. morning bro... I read somewhere that the Dali Lama's crew was working with scientists, as they became captivated by Him. Good morning :-) I read some EKG studies a while back that were done on meditators...the findings were that in beginning meditators the sleep brain waves were more pronounced, indicating a deep state of wakeful relaxation....but in the advanced meditators that were going into samadhi, the whole brain lit up, every part of it, and both deep sleep and hyper alert brain waves were detected. kinda cool
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2013 20:48:12 GMT -5
Haha....when your mind is stopped, you ARE enlightened ;-) When you are observing your mind, body, and environment as an integrated whole, you ARE enlightened. You concern over creating something in the future, like some "permanent" state, pulls you out of enlightenment, which can only happen in THIS moment. Your search for more than what is already there in stillness keeps you running past the treasure box at your feet while you are running to "find" the treasure. After a certain point on this path, when you have found alert stillness, folks seem to keep searching for the hidden treasure horde while the little jeweled box you already have is set aside in the search for a bigger treasure. All the while, that little jeweled box, if opened and fully penetrated, is seen to be the infinite treasure. You ARE that alert stillness, that stillness is your purest Godly nature...if you step back into that stillness in a kind of meta awareness mentioned above, and view the body the mind and the environment as a whole...then you are the LIVING enlightenment that you seek. But even from there, enlightenment deepens :-) I cannot see out of a birds eyes. I'm not surprised at seeing myself in the mirror. I don't experience Oneness with all things. Say your correct, what would you suggest I do? All of those things are side affects that may or may not occur my friend....each mind is different....set aside your desire for these kind of results...the practice is the enlightenment, not some side affect result. Do what I have said here, in this thread....be still silent and alert when action is not called for, and when action is called for, be in this state of meta awareness described here. And just completely let go of past and future, remain here, in this moment, humor not thoughts of past, future, or goals....be only with this moment, and, when you find that in this moment you have strayed, in this moment come back. In these things, only go straight, and not know.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Oct 20, 2013 20:50:55 GMT -5
There is a simple thing with a big woo woo sounding name called Meta-Awareness, that one should remember. Meta-Awareness is simply shifting your perspective to be aware of everything AND yourself in your environment. Its a way of stepping back and being the observer of your body/mind as an integrated part of your environment. Its similar to the ATA that most know well here, only, instead of simply experiencing and being aware of the things that occur in your sensory field, be aware of yourself moving and interacting and sensing AND the sensory field. With ATA one looks with a quiescent mind at one's surroundings, and is very aware of their surroundings, but not aware of there bodymind. In self inquiry, or a turning in of one's attention onto the body or mind or both, one is aware of the bodymind and its action from an observer position, but not really aware of their environment. In a shift into meta awareness, one takes up the observer position, but everything is being observed in an integrated whole...bodymind and environment are observed together as one. A good example is being in a movie theater....if you are absorbed into the movie you are not meta aware, if you are focused on your body mind while in the movie theater you are not meta aware....but if you "take a step back" into the observer position and be the observer of your mind and body and the movie and the theater...you are being meta aware. this kind of meta awareness is useful in everything from relationships, to professional productivity, to gnosis of self. Its especially useful if you have habitual negative emotions or behaviors that you engage in, and if you are ever unsure how to respond in a given situation....regarding the latter...stepping back into meta awareness is like climbing to the top of the hill to see the full lay of the land to see the best path. Stepping back into Meta Awareness while the mind is moving, and then observing the mind/body/environment as a continuous whole, is a very useful shift in perspective on many levels....but if you step back into Meta Awareness and then let the mind be utterly still, while in the perspective of meta awareness, you can have a moment of relative samadhi, or God Union. like this thread. At the point of attack, when an individual is functioning within awareness, it has appeared to me that the kundalini has total freedom of expression when it comes to self-defence. Have you been set-upon whilst in this Meta-realm(yet?) Do you mean like the character Tom Cruise played in The Last Samurai when he learned to fight with no-mind and was later set upon by multiple attackers? (very cool scene BTW) Likewise, Meta Awareness would prove to be a much more effective state to be in under similar circumstances. Morihei Ueshiba was able to demonstrate this, for real, anytime, well up into age. sdp
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Post by acewall on Oct 20, 2013 20:52:37 GMT -5
morning bro... I read somewhere that the Dali Lama's crew was working with scientists, as they became captivated by Him. Good morning :-) I read some EKG studies a while back that were done on meditators...the findings were that in beginning meditators the sleep brain waves were more pronounced, indicating a deep state of wakeful relaxation....but in the advanced meditators that were going into samadhi, the whole brain lit up, every part of it, and both deep sleep and hyper alert brain waves were detected. kinda cool thank you... can understand the meditators doing THAT! Would be difficult to probe(lol) the meditator in action...like martial artists(Lee)Horsemen with swords etc. Suppose with transmitter strapped to the subjects belt, they(scientists)could gain some tech insight into the brights-realm. Having ones whole brain lit-up... like a light bulb. Yeah, I understand wtf. Where exactly does this Life arise-from that floods the brain? So many so called enlightened ppls seem to avoid this question... Is it too-frightening to become consumed?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2013 20:55:44 GMT -5
If what one see's is a perception or rather a projection of one's inner state, wouldn't they be observing "naked illusion" rather than "naked reality"? In a manner of speaking, yes. Looked another way though, it is neither illusion nor reality, it just is. Harding's headless technique is a way of looking at "what is" in a narrowed field of view that eliminates so called mental overlays and leaves only "naked" sensory perception that is being observed by the perceiver. Meta Awareness does not eliminate anything that happens from the field of perception...thoughts, mind movements and happenings, the body, the environmental sensory field, ALL are included as a single field of the perceived with nothing that is happening filtered out or segregated in the field of perception. Meta Awareness is a shift of perspective that takes in the whole of the perceived as one. For me, defining that field as illusion or reality is a mind thing...instead of adopting a position either way, I just observe it as is without defining or categorizing. It just is. When you have spent a lifetime developing a sense of reality, it can be useful to focus on the illusory nature of existence.But so too, there is a value in setting BOTH illusion and reality aside and seeing what is left. Don't you mean after spending a lifetime developing a sense of the reality of "illusion", it can be useful to focus on the reality of existence?!
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Post by acewall on Oct 20, 2013 20:57:33 GMT -5
like this thread. At the point of attack, when an individual is functioning within awareness, it has appeared to me that the kundalini has total freedom of expression when it comes to self-defence. Have you been set-upon whilst in this Meta-realm(yet?) Do you mean like the character Tom Cruise played in The Last Samurai when he learned to fight with no-mind and was later set upon by multiple attackers? (very cool scene BTW) Likewise, Meta Awareness would prove to be a much more effective state to be in under similar circumstances. Morihei Ueshiba was able to demonstrate this, for real, anytime, well up into age. sdp thank you for responding sdp... havnt seen the film, will keep both eyes out for it.Is it based on that Bruce Lee character? dont know of Morihei Ueshiba...will go peek. buggar, me uTube is still disfigured, cant watch Morihei Ueshiba film clip. If anyone has a disc I would be eternally grateful.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Oct 20, 2013 21:19:24 GMT -5
Do you mean like the character Tom Cruise played in The Last Samurai when he learned to fight with no-mind and was later set upon by multiple attackers? (very cool scene BTW) Likewise, Meta Awareness would prove to be a much more effective state to be in under similar circumstances. Morihei Ueshiba was able to demonstrate this, for real, anytime, well up into age. sdp thank you for responding sdp... havnt seen the film, will keep both eyes out for it.Is it based on that Bruce Lee character? dont know of Morihei Ueshiba...will go peek. buggar, me uTube is still disfigured, cant watch Morihei Ueshiba film clip. If anyone has a disc I would be eternally grateful. The Last Samurai is not based on Bruce Lee. If one is at all interested in Martial Arts, I'd say give it a look, very good story. Morihei Ueshiba was the founder of Aikido. He was also a spiritual giant. sdp
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Post by enigma on Oct 21, 2013 11:07:49 GMT -5
No luck with what? Its funny how the simplest and most profound things can be so consistently overlooked by a mind searching for something more lol. Enlightenment what do you think? You know I used to have all these ideas about enlightenment but now nothing makes sense. I sit here and I have to keep living and it seems anything I do doesn't work out. I can't help anyone because I'm useless. And I'm ugly on top of it. I need plastic surgery. I'm getting older and thats not helping things either. I don't know how to live my life. I'm trying to accept that I'll never have anything in this life from God or man. I don't mind the pains of this life if I see or know God is with me but it seems sense dealing with enlightened people God has left me. Steve has said this to you in various ways but again, you know too many things. You torment yourself with what you think you know; about yourself, about others, about God. That's really the problem with everybody, which is why escaping temporarily from that knowing through meditation, drugs, sex, Samadhi or any distraction is what folks are constantly seeking. Escape obviously doesn't work. It becomes a required pattern because so much has been avoided for so long, and so the process needs to be reversed.
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Post by enigma on Oct 21, 2013 11:16:42 GMT -5
So stop dealing with what you call enlightened people then? As to the bolded bit in your post....if your mind is generally moving in negative thought patterns, then dwelling in thoughts of imagined future and past will be a negative experience. Right now, in THIS moment, WHILE you are sitting with a still mind in the spaciousness of Not Knowing, where is all your suffering? And Right now, WHILE you are in the position of the meta awareness discussed above, WHILE observing your body, mind, and environment as a whole....where, while in that position, is your uselessness? "So stop dealing with what you call enlightened people then?"
To late the damage has already been done. Right now, in THIS moment, WHILE you are sitting with a still mind in the spaciousness of Not Knowing, where is all your suffering?
In my body. I can stop thinking but I still feel with my body. If i stop thinking while in a negative state my body still feels negative. I'm sure if I could maintain it for long enough maybe I would get enlightened but I'm not in a position to not think that long. Your body is feeling the weight of your self deception. Too much pushed back, ignored, avoided. Too much anger, resentment, self judgment. Let yourself truly feel it and it begins to move out of your body.
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Post by enigma on Oct 21, 2013 11:18:16 GMT -5
"So stop dealing with what you call enlightened people then?"
To late the damage has already been done. Right now, in THIS moment, WHILE you are sitting with a still mind in the spaciousness of Not Knowing, where is all your suffering?
In my body. I can stop thinking but I still feel with my body. If i stop thinking while in a negative state my body still feels negative. I'm sure if I could maintain it for long enough maybe I would get enlightened but I'm not in a position to not think that long. Hello freejoy. Many people I correspond with or read about at other forums, etc. talk about using their own mindfulness to energetically help to heal themselves and others. One person I write to claims that when he simply focuses attention on the painful area(s) of his body, it starts to work -- I've tried that myself, and I must say I've been surprised at discovering that it works. It's also about being kind to one's self -- I think that this focusing on helping to heal will also serve to distract from chaotic thoughts. I wouldn't worry about becoming enlightened for now. Teach yourself self-love.Yes, indeed!
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